I doubt a naturalistic origin for Christian resurrection belief.

I doubt a naturalistic origin for Christian resurrection belief.

Then what was it?

What was the origin of christian belief?

answering a question with a question of your own is not answering my question.

Well you made the statement of doubt.  Why don't you explain why, and on what grounds you have to doubt.

Well you made the statement of doubt.  Why don't you explain why, and on what grounds you have to doubt.

Sure, ive looked at the major theories and none of them explained all the factors of the origin of christian belief.

It is different than the apostles just making up a story. Cult members in general don't think they r making anything up.

 But while the theory that Jesus led a cult doesn't address your proposed ideas in your opening post, the theory is still possible, isn't it, as a natural explanation?

The first Christians were more divided than you think. It's an error to say all first Christians believed in resurrection, the trinity, the virgin birth and all this fancy stuff. Actually there was a group among them that believed  (and still believes) Jesus was a mere human as you and me. They are called the gnostic Christians. 

Where did these fancy stories come from? Basically from other ancient cultures, like the Egyptian and Babylonian. Jews really liked to mix up their traditions and beliefs with other culture's. You can also find in the old testament different references to other ancient cultures' stories. Why did that happen? I don't know, since there was no copyright back then I suppose everything was possible.

The first Christians were more divided than you think. It's an error to say all first Christians believed in resurrection, the trinity, the virgin birth and all this fancy stuff. Actually there was a group among them that believed  (and still believes) Jesus was a mere human as you and me. They are called the gnostic Christians. 

Where did these fancy stories come from? Basically from other ancient cultures, like the Egyptian and Babylonian. Jews really liked to mix up their traditions and beliefs with other culture's. You can also find in the old testament different references to other ancient cultures' stories. Why did that happen? I don't know, since there was no copyright back then I suppose everything was possible.

The theory that it was just made up years later after the apostles, and the apostles never actually claimed that

There are many naturalistic theories to explain why the disciples came to believe/claim the resurrection happened, like the conspiracy theory says they merely lied, or the hallucination theory says they hallucinated it, etc. I am unconvinced that these theories can explain the origin of the christian belief, so convince me.

 There is also the theory that all these fancy stories are based on real facts, but related to an advanced extraterrestrial technology and the UFO phenomena. 

According to it, the ancient cultures had contact and help from these beings in the following order: Babylonia, Egypt and Israel (see History channel documentaries for more reference). 

These alliens have been doing genetical improvements in the human being by means of virgin conception of aristocrat women (artificial insemination) and also giving the right to resurrect those new specimens that worked well, like Jesus. So, Jesus was probably a new human being with extraterrestrial genes that was resurrected to be taken to "heaven" like Elijah was taken by "a chariots of fire". 

You think aliens resurrected jesus?

Havent seen any evidence of that

I have two issues with it, 1 even if it could explain all the factors (which it cant) why would it be more probabilistic than the resurrection

2, it cant account for the enemies of christ converting (james & paul), It would not account for the empty tomb (which in my view is historical), this theory perpetuates the gospels are true, which would mean you'd have to accept the explanation they gave of saying the disciples stole the body, how could you say the disciples stole the body, yet have aliens resurrect jesus.

I dont think there is a naturalistic explanation for it

I think alliens have been guiding the human beings to their evolution in different cultures and civilizations (they still do it according to many testimonies) which means all the darwinian theory is bullshit. I don’t know if the scriptures say the truth, but if it does the only explanation for that is the allien participation in the jewish fate.

No evidence but lot of clues. I've always deemed the documentaries of History Channel about it as bullshit but they make sense today. There are many authors that have been investigating the phenomena and it all makes sense.

The bible has plenty of stories of encounters with "angels" and "God". According to several investigations, these ancient encounters resemble the today's encounters with alliens. So, it's quite logic to think that if the gospels say the truth the most likely explanation for that is the participation of these alliens who are the only ones that had the technology and capacity to make all the magical stuff of the bible, like the resurrection.

Needless to say, I still think the gospels have been manipulated for political and religious purposes, and they are still manipulated by stupid interpretations. So, maybe the Jesus' message was part of the allien project, but there is also in the biblical content a lot of prejudices and beliefs from people of that time. We've got to be careful with it. 

feel free to tell me the biggest clues, I believe there are aliens somewhere (there just must be) im unsure if they visited earth.

Well how do we know these angels & god are aliens? I see no reason in the bible to really believe they are. And again I dont think this theory is compatible with skeptics converting & the empty tomb, you'd have to also make a case it's more probable than the resurrection which I have no clue how we would do that. 

I doubt they were manipulated, they could've been, I could be wrong, but I highly doubt it. We have over 3000 manuscripts of the bible, and pretty munch every bible verse has been quoted by a early church father before

As I said, there is explanation, but you reject every explanation making it pointless to talk about any explanations.

They have been here all the time, otherwise the humanity would have fucked itself up long time ago. I guess they will show up sooner or later, but the clues come from the similar testimonies of the many contactees that exist out there. There are several books on that matter. 

I said the aliens were deemed as angels and gods because the people at that time were not conscious enough about how vast the universe is and they didn't have the technology we have now. UFO investigators presume this because the stories in the bible are quite similar to the testimonies of contactees in our times. I'm not going into the details of it because there is plenty of information on the Internet. 

The communication of any message is always liable to "noise" or defects of the people that are in charge of passing along the message. You should check out the broken telephone game to know what I'm talking about.

It was already explained.

 You just dont accept any explanation other than the magical sky daddy.

I gave you an explanation. It is up to you from now on to either use brain either keep defending magical sky daddy. I dont even need to say that Christians would sooner stop believing in proof than in their magical sky daddy. Its a sad culture of inherited delusions.

It's a sad culture of inherited delusions.

Magical sky daddy.