No surprises then that our resident believers and biblical know-it - all's have declined my invitation above
#32 to answer what should be for them, one of the most the simplest biblical questions posed over a week ago which was simply this:
I Hear the Phrase often " the war in heaven".
When did it happen? Who won? Or hasn't it happened yet?
Did a god "cast out satan", If so when and what for?
Who started the war? What was the war over?
So as usual, the cowards have left it to me to answer it for them. Or Jesus himself can answers it: HERE>>
Andfrom the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heavensuffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. Matthew 11 King James Version (KJV).
So it appears then that it was Jesus' rival and enemy John the Baptist that was at the root cause of all the violence and sedition explained above. I think by now many understand that John the Baptist had a massive following of his own and well before his "cousin" Jesus appeared on the scene. Indeed at least some of Jesus' disciples came from among John's own army of disciples. And it is a fact that John was more of a firebrand than Jesus (on the face of it) and had sent disciples to "follow" Jesus where ever he went.
It shouldn't be forgotten that the bible reminds us often that simply being "born of women" makes all of making "sinful" .
So what does Jesus have to say about John the Baptist?
"For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”
So here, according to Jesus, John the Baptist was the lowest of the low.
We also know that John himself denied being a prophet.
We also know that John the Baptist was of the clear understanding that it was Jesus that was that was supposed to have baptised him, hence the confrontation down at the River Jordan where John had been baptising his own disciples into his own movement.
We also know that John in his testimony after the fact also denied even knowing Jesus.
Let me explain the reason for what we today call "baptism" in those times. John was about to make his move on the temple and the temple authorities by entering the temple compound and the temple itself and "taking it by force" (remember Matthew 11:12 above) But neither he nor any of his army could enter into that holy place without first being cleansed: by ritual of Tevilah a full body immersion in water.
John wasn't washing away sins persay as the Christian will have us all believe. John a Levite priest, was purifying members of his massive army in preparation for his bid to become king and high priest of the "kingdom of heaven" which was another name for the temple.......
To be continued....