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estone523

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Do Detentions Actually Help High School Students?

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 5 votes and with 35 points ahead, the winner is...

Redman2234

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Publication date: 05.25.2019 10:12PM
Last updated date: 07.03.2019 03:12PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: Two days
Max argument characters: 30,000
Voting period: One month
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

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Redman2234

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Description

This debate is over the idea of after-school detention and whether it does or does not help high school students.

I do not believe that after-school detentions help high school students in any capacity. I will be basing this belief off of the following points:

(1) Detentions do not help the student's personal relationships.
(2) Detentions do not help the student's academic standing.
(3) Detentions do not help the student's work ethic.
(4) Detentions do not help the student's overall preparedness for the real world.

The contender will be arguing against these points. The contender is free to add any points that s/he feels will help his or her argument; all that is asked is for the contender to please post the points at the beginning of the first round. Any new points introduced after the first round will be disregarded.

Round 1

estone523

05.28.2019 08:17AM

Con

Forfeited

Redman2234

05.28.2019 09:00AM

Pro

As my other debater did not make his round. I am unable to comment on any of his ideas. However I will start with what I think, I will start off with for the most part that suspensions do not help. Most students view it as vacation, however in school detentions does work. Even more so when the school does more than just standard detention.

For example, there are a few schools that instead of the normal detention does it by making students serve lunch and work with the lunch ladies. Which takes away the social aspect for a lot of students. Which is an effective way of making not want to do whatever it is that they did before. And other treatments like that work, you will never be able to stop students from doing things they are not meant to.

All you can do is make the punishment bad enough that they just don't want to repeat it. And there more ways to do it then most people think, you just have to be creative enough to do it. The only people that say it does not work are people who are uninformed enough. But that is okay, whether people think it works or not does not affect how effective it is. This is a short thing but again I did not have much to go off. So till next round

Round 2

estone523

05.30.2019 09:00AM

Con

Forfeited

Redman2234

05.30.2019 03:12PM

Pro

Since my debater has failed to do something for this round as well I decided to take a look at the reasons he thinks detentions do not help. Mainly one problem I see with it

(1) Detentions do not help the student's personal relationships.

(2) Detentions do not help the student's academic standing.

(3) Detentions do not help the student's work ethic.

(4) Detentions do not help the student's overall preparedness for the real world.

Do you notice the problem? Here let me do it again

(1) Detentions do not help the student's personal relationships.

(2) Detentions do not help the student's academic standing.

(3) Detentions do not help the student's work ethic.

(4) Detentions do not help the student's overall preparedness for the real world.

There now do you see it? The problem is he is treating detention like an extra part of the class that is designed to help the student with whatever problem they have. When fundamentally that is not the purpose of detention. The purpose of it is so that students will take advantage of the position they are in to better help themselves in the future. It is helping them prepare for college where no one is going to hand hold for you. Or if you don't want to go to college then it prepares for you for the real world where you don't have a teacher to remind you of things you should be doing. Detentions help indirectly by making the student feel accountable for their actions, sure it may seem obvious to take away social time to make them feel bad about it. But that part is exactly that. A part of it, and so I would argue that they in a way help all of it but instead should be worded like this

(1) Detentions help accountability for the student's personal relationships.

(2) Detentions help accountability for the academic standing.

(3) Detentions help accountability for the student's work ethic.

(4) Detentions help accountability for the student's overall preparedness for the real world.

Round 3

estone523

06.01.2019 03:12PM

Con

Forfeited

Redman2234

06.03.2019 03:12PM

Pro

Forfeited

K_Michael

05.30.2019 03:16PM

At my school detention is called in-school suspension, but it goes by ISS, so when I first heard of it I thought they were talking about the International Space Station. XD

estone523

05.26.2019 02:23AM

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@Alec

If you came to class 20 minutes late, then I think you should be required to make that 20 minutes up in your study hall class or directed studies or any other study-type program different schools have implemented. I don't think one solution would work for every single school (since a lot of school systems work differently) but I think a good place to start would be the student making up that time during school hours instead of after school hours which in my opinion negatively affects not only the teacher but the student as well.

Alec

05.25.2019 10:58PM

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@estone523

If I came 20 minutes late to class, what should the punishment be?

Alec

05.25.2019 10:57PM

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@estone523

I think peer on peer tutoring already exists. It would be nice if it became more prominent within schools, but I don't know how there would be time for it.

estone523

05.25.2019 10:43PM

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@Barney

Thank you! I've always loved debating, so when I heard about DART I couldn't help but jump in on the fun!

estone523

05.25.2019 10:41PM

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@Alec

I think that a peer system would work (kind of like a "Big Brothers, Big Sisters" type deal) where struggling students are paired with high-achieving students that volunteer to mentor their peers. Mandatory tutoring could also work, however, whether or not it will actually help the student academically I'd be skeptical of.

Alec

05.25.2019 10:30PM

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@estone523

What alternative punishment do you propose?

Barney

05.25.2019 10:17PM

Welcome to the site, and good luck!

Al0ne

07.03.2019 04:20AM

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Reason:

Con conceded all rounds.

RationalMadman

06.11.2019 08:33PM

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Reason:

Ramshutu

06.11.2019 01:30AM

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Reason:

Full forfeit.

Dr.Franklin

06.11.2019 01:13AM

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Reason:

donatio

Pinkfreud08

06.03.2019 03:29PM

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Reason:

Full Forfeit