CRITICIZING
ISLAM MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH
The
window of free speech in America is closing—at least regarding Islam. The
whitewashing of Islam and jihad goes farther than tendentious propaganda. Honest
investigations of the causes of Islamic terrorism are increasingly termed
"hate speech" by the PC establishment. CAIR has filed numerous lawsuits
against those who say things about Islam that it doesn't like—making for a
chilling effect on those who speak the truth about the religion. "There's
no doubt that CAIR under stands this," ' notes National Review s John
Derbyshire. "They have Saudi oil money behind them and finance is no issue
at all to them. They essentially have infinite funds. They will shut up everyone.
On the topic of Islam, free speech is dead."' Meanwhile, Islamic jihadists
have their own methods of silencing critics, as the murder of Theo van Gogh
last year on the street s of Amsterdam illustrates.
The
chilling of free speech in America: Fox’s 24andCAIR 24 is a FOX TV drama about
terrorism. Episodes have featured Bosnian terrorists,
German
terrorists, South American terrorists, and terrorists
Violent
Islamic intimidation has come to the West the night Theo van Gogh was murdered
on an Amsterdam street for allegedly offending Muslims .One Australian state
has outlawed speaking the truth about Islam and Great Britain and other
countries are contemplating similar laws. Guess what?
Converts
from Islam to Christianity live in fear even in the United States.
While no
Bosnians. Germans, South Americans, or Halliburton execs contacted the network
to complain about the way they were portrayed on the show, when FOX ventured
into Islamic terror territory the network immediately aroused CAIR's ire.
Sabiha Khan of CAIR's Anaheim chapter worried that 24's Muslim terrorists would
".contribute to an atmosphere that it's okay to harm and discriminate
against Muslims. This could actually hurt real -life people. CAIR scheduled a
meeting with FOX executives in Los Angeles to air its concerns. Meanwhile,
IslamOnline, a popular Muslim new portal run from Qatar, had its own ideas of
who was behind 24's introduction of Muslim terrorists: FOX Entertainment Group,
it said, was "part of Jewish billionaire Rupert Murdoch's News
Corporation." It asserted that 24's new plot direction was "hailed by
Jewish groups and lobbyists as a bid to reveal, Muslims' `true nature,'"
and noted that "Jewish writer Daniel Pipes wrote in the Israeli Jerusalem
Post and the American New York Post hoping FOX would not bow to Muslim
objections on the series."' IslamOnline dropped "Jewish" from in
front of Rupert Murdoch" when informed that Murdoch is not, in fact,
Jewish. But the implication of the article is still clear, 24's introduction of
Muslim terrorist characters was yet another in a long line of Jewish
conspiracies, It frequently a bit of knee -jerk paranoia on the part of the
defenders of Islamic jihad that anyone who opposes them must be Jewish. This
paranoia about the Jews is nourished by the Qur'an's portrayal of them as
crafty, untrustworthy, and accursed. And, of course, jihadists today would have
us believe that the trouble between Muslims and non Muslims is all because of
Israel. But the shadowy "Jewish groups and lobbyists" evidently
dropped F0X's puppet strings, because even before network execs met with CAIR
The
producers of 24 removed some material from the show that they were afraid might
stereotype Muslims. FOX also agreed to distribute CAIR's public service
announcement about American Muslims to their affiliates, although the
affiliates were not bound to run it,
Why was
FOX playing ball with CAIR in the first place? Were the execs who met with CAIR
representatives aware that three of its officials have been arrested for
various terrorist-related activities? Yes, said a FOX source, that is a matter
of public record. Are they aware that CAIR founder Nihad Awed helped establish
the organization after working at the Islamic Association for Palestine [IAP],
where he was public relations director—and that former FBI counterterrorism
official Oliver Revell has called the IAP "a front organization for Hamas
that engages in propaganda for Islamic militants "?' Did they know that
Awed himself has declared, "I am in support of the Hamas movement'? Well,
yes, said the source, they were aware of allegations that CAIR had some links,
however tenuous, with Hamas, but they judged the organization's complaints on
their merits, That's what FOX always does, he said; it considers not the source
of a complaint, but the worthiness of the complaint itself, So if the Ku Klux
Klan called FOX with a complaint, that complaint would be judged on its merits.
Not on its source?
December
2004, two Christian pastors in Australia were found guilty of religious
vilification of Muslims. Although the decision was based on religious hatred
laws that are currently on the books in only one Australian state, the greater
consideration that such laws are receiving by legislatures all over the Western
world makes this a threat to us all. For example, Tony Blair's government
introduced a bill banning "Inciting to Religious Hatred." shamelessly
pandering to the growing Muslim voter bloc in Britain. It proved to be
controversial and was dropped in April 2005, but it is still very much a live
issue and could become law in Britain in the near future.' The Australian case
shows the end result of such laws. One of the pastors, Daniel Scot, is Pakistani.
He fled his native home seventeen year s ago when he ran afoul of the notorious
Section 295 of the penal code, which mandates death or life in prison for
anyone who blasphemes "the sacred name of the holy Prophet Mohammad"
This treacherously elastic statute that is often used to snare Christians who
find themselves charged with blasphemy if they are cornered and made to state
they don't believe Muhammad was a prophet. Scot went to Australia, where he
encountered the Australian state of Victoria's new religious vilification laws.
Judge Michael Higgins of the Victorian civil and Administrative Tribunal found
him guilty of vilifying Islam in a seminar hosted by his group. The judge noted that during the seminar, Scot
stated "the Quran promotes violence, killing and looting,” In light of
Quranic passages such as 9:5. 2:191, 9:2g , 47:4, 5:33 and many others, this
cannot seriously be a matter of dispute. As we know, Muslims have pointed to
verses in the Bible that they claim are equivalent in violence and offensiveness,
but have claimed that the great majority of Muslims don't take such verses
literally. However, it takes a peculiarly strong resistance to the truth to
deny that such verses exist, and to charge anyone who points them out with religious
vilification. Yet Higgins wasn't finished. He also scolded Scot for cont ending
that the Qur'an "treats women badly: they are to be treated like a field
plough, 'use her as you wish,'" and that in it, "domestic violence in
general is encouraged."' He charged Scot with saying that the Qur'an
directs that "a thief’s hand is cut off for stealing,
Yet the
idea of the field and "use her as you wish" are from Sura 2:223 of
the Quran. Husbands are told to beat their disobedient wives in 4:34. Amputation
for theft is prescribed in 5:38. What Qur'an is Higgins reading? Higgins not
only got the Qur'an wrong, but was also mistaken about Scot's own statements.
The judge charged that Scot called Muslims “demons," but according to
human rights activist Mark Durie, who was deeply involved in the case,
"Scot said at one point in the seminar that in the Qur'an there were jinn
(spirit beings) which became Muslims in response to the message of Islam.
However, in his summary the judge appears to interpret this as Scot saying that
Muslims are demons. So `Some demons are Muslims' becomes 'Muslims are demons'!'
There are
some hints that the outcome of the case was predetermined.
When,
during the trial, Scot began to read Quranic verses that discriminate against
women, a lawyer for the Islamic Council of Victoria, the organization that
brought the suit, stopped him: Reading the verses aloud, she said, would in itself
be religious vilification. Dismayed, Scot replied, -
How can
it be vilifying to Muslims in the room when I am just reading from the
Qur'an?"'
With
religious vilification laws now coming to Britain and undoubtedly elsewhere in
the West, Scot's question rings out with global implications and must be
answered. If it is inciting hatred against Muslims when non Muslims simply
explore what Islam and the Qur'an actually teach, then there cannot be a
reasonable public discussion of Islam. Such legal problems actually make
Muslims a separate class, beyond criticism, precisely at the moment when the
West needs to examine the implications of having admitted people into the west
with greater allegiance to Islamic law than to pluralism, freedom and
democracy.
The courageous ex-Muslim Ibn Warraq calls on
Muslims to "admit the role of the Qur'an in the propagation of
violence." If they do not, how can there be an end to jihad terrorism?
What will keep jihadists from continuing to use the Qur'an to recruit more
terrorists, right under the noses of fatuous Westerners like Judge Higgins who
would prefer to pretend otherwise? When Judge Higgins signed the guilty verdict
on Daniel Scot, he may have been signing the death warrant not just for state
of Victoria, but for free Australia, and—if his example is followed elsewhere—
the entire Western world.
An event in Holland a month before Higgins's
verdict was even more ominous: On November 2, 2004, Theo van Gogh was shot dead
by a Muslim on an Amsterdam street because of a film he had made. His assailant
was a Dutch Moroccan who was wearing traditional Islamic clothes. After
shooting van Gogh several times, he stabbed him repeatedly, slit his throat
with a butcher knife, and left a note on the body containing verses from the
Qur'an and threats to several public figures who had opposed the flood of
Muslim immigrants into the Netherlands. Yet Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter
Balkenende said, “Nothing is known about the motive of the killer.” Others were
not quite so cautious. A Dutch student said, "This has to end, once and
for all. You cannot just kill people on the street in a brutal way when you
disagree with them." Job Cohen, the mayor of Amsterdam declared, “We will
show loud and clear that freedom of speech is important to us.”
Eight
weeks earlier, van Gogh's film “Submission” had aired on Dutch TV. The
brainchild of an ex-Muslim member of the Dutch parliament, Ayaan Hirsi Ali
decried the mistreatment of Muslim women, featuring images of battered women
wearing transparent robes that exposed their breasts, with verses from the
Qur'an written on their bodies. Insulting? In poor taste? That was probably the
intent ion. Van Gogh, the great-grandson of Vincent van Gogh's brother
("dear Theo"), was a well-known and controversial gadfly on the Dutch
scene; in the past, he had attacked Jews and Christians with enough vehemence
to elicit formal complaints. But after Submission, the death threats started to
come. Van Gogh, in the eyes of many Dutch Muslims, had blasphemed Islam— an
offense that brought the death penalty. The filmmaker was unconcerned. The film
itself, he said, was "the best protection I could have. It's not something
I worry about.'
Van
Gogh's death shows that everyone who values freedom should worry because murder
committed by a Muslim enraged at "blasphemy" is not new. Nor is it a
relic of the distant past. In 1947, Islamic radicals murdered Iranian lawyer
Ahmad Kasravi in court; Kasravi was there to defend himself against charges
that he had attacked Islam. Four years later, members of the same radical
Muslim group, Fadayn-e Islam, assassinated Iranian Prime Minister Haji -Ali Razmara
after a group of Muslim clerics issued a fatwa calling for his death. In 1992,
Egyptian writer Faraj Foda was murdered by Muslims enraged at his "apostasy"
from Islam—another offense for which traditional Islamic law prescribes the
death penalty. Foda’s countryman, the Nobel Prize –winning novelist Naguib
Mahfouz, was stabbed in 1994 after accusations of blasphemy.
Under
Pakistan’s blasphemy laws, many non -Muslims have been arrested, tortured, and
sentenced to die on the slimmest of evidence. And of course, there is Ayatollah
Khomeini's notorious death fatwa against author Salman Rushdie. But for such
things to happen in Iran and Egypt, two countries where Islamic radicalism is
widespread, is one thing; to have a "blasphemer" brutally murdered on
the streets of Amsterdam in broad daylight is another. For thirty years, Europe
has encouraged massive immigration from Muslim nations; Muslims now account for
5 percent of Holland's population, and that number is growing rapidly. But it
is still largely taboo in Europe—as in America—to raise any questions about how
ready that population is to accept Western pluralism. When Dutch politician Pim
Fortuyn tried to raise some of those questions in 2002, he was vilified by the
PC establishment as a rightwing racist—in line with the continuing tendency of
the Western media to frame questions regarding Islam in racial terms, despite
the fact that the intransigence of radical Islam is found among all races. And
Fortuyn himself, of course, was ultimately murdered by a Dutch assailant who
"did it for Dutch Muslims.'
The deaths of Fortuyn and van Gogh indicate
that the cost of maintaining the taboo against criticizing Islam is growing
ever higher. One of the prerequisites of peaceful coexistence of beliefs in a
secular society is freedom of speech—particularly the freedom to question, to
dissent, even to ridicule. Multiculturalism is heading toward contradiction: If
one group is able to demand that its tenets remain above criticism, it is no
longer equal, but has embarked on the path of hegemony. Must all other groups
tolerate that group in the name of political correctness? It is long past due
for such considerations to become part of the public debate in Western
countries.
To what
extent are Muslim immigrants in Western countries willing to set as ideal,
Islamic strictures on questioning, criticizing, and leaving Islam?
After van
Gogh was killed, thousands of people took to the streets of Amsterdam to pay
him homage. Among them was a Muslim woman who stated, "I didn't really
agree with van Gogh but he was a person who used his freedom of
expression." She held up a sign reading "Muslims against
Violence," explaining. "I decided that as a Muslim and a Moroccan I
should take up my responsibility to show that we do not support this
act."' But the traditional Muslim view is, unfortunately, alive and well.
It was
firmly restated several years ago by Pakistan's Federal Sharia Court: The
penalty for contempt of the Holy Prophet is death and nothing else.' No one
knows how many Muslims in Europe and America hold the views of the Moroccan
woman at the rally, and how many would side with Pakistan's Sharia Court—and
the killer of Theo van Gogh. If Western countries continue, out of ignorance,
fear, or narrow self-interests, to refuse to find out, there will be many more
incidents like the bloody scene in Amsterdam in November 2004.
That
couldn't happen in America, right? Wrong. At a conference held in September
2004, security was tight because of death threats from people holding the same
ideology as the killer of Theo van Gogh. The conference was held not in Qom or
Karachi, but just outside Washington, D.C., in Falls Church, Virginia.
In 200 4,
converts from Islam to Christianity, spoke publicly only under assumed names,
for fear of becoming the newest victims of the global jihad. The conference was
called the "Muslim Background Believers Convention," a Christian
gathering sponsored by several groups, including the Baptist General
Association of Virginia'. The Washington 'Times noted that "the convention
kept the registration and entrance process under tight security to protect the
participants, many of whom said they face death threats or ostracism from
families for leaving the Islamic faith.'
23 Years:
A Study of the Prophetic Coreef of Mohammad, by 'Ali Dashti; Costa Mesa, CA:
Mazda Publishers, 1994. 'Ali Dashti(1896-1982) was an Iranian Muslim who had the
courage to look honestly at Muhammad's career and write openly about the
Prophet's violence, the non-miraculous character and moral defects of the Qur'an,
and much more. For this, although he was over eighty, he was imprisoned,
tortured, and ultimately murdered by thugs in the employ of the Islamic Republic
of Iran.
If you
leave Islam, you must die. Why did they have to take this extraordinary
precaution? Because, as we have seen, in traditional Islamic law, when a Muslim
converts to another faith, it can bring a death sentence. This is not, mind you,
"extremist" Islam. It is the Islamic mainstream, based on a statement
of Muhammad; "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."
It's also based on statement of the Quran: "But whoever of you dies an unbeliever,
his works shall come to nothing in this world and the
next, and
they are the companions of the fire forever" [Qur'an 2 ;217 This has been
widely interpreted by traditional Muslim commentators as giving sanction to the
death penalty for apostates—which they derived from the verse's assertion that
the apostate's work will "come to nothing in this world" as well as
the next. When converts are not killed, they are otherwise pressured. The
organizer of the conference has felt this firsthand: "I was called by my
embassy and told I'd better repent or I could not go back home with my
family." Another convert reported that she had not yet told her family
that she had become a Christian. "I know they're going to disown me,"
she said, "if they don't kill me." In a free America, you say?
These
people have to live in fear because of the long-entrenched and continuing
unwillingness on the part of American authorities to face up to the realities
of Islam. Law enforcement officials either haven't known or haven't cared that
Islam mandates the death penalty for those who leave the religion. If they knew
that this provision even existed, they probably assumed that Muslims who settle
d in the United States would discard it and accept the values of American
society. Many have, but an unknown number haven't, and it is time this fact is
acknowledged. This is especially tough for Westerners, however, since the
concept of apostasy is so foreign to today's secular society. Although the
Falls Church converts are Christians, this is not solely a Christian issue.
Freedom of conscience should be a concern of everyone who professes an interest
in human rights. The human rights organizations should be the first to defend
these people. American government and law enforcement officials should rush to
their aid in the name of freedom. But because of the PC stranglehold on
discussion of Islam, and because shady groups like CAIR have managed to claim
victim status for American Muslims, neither the rights groups nor the
government have yet noticed that the converts even exist.
Oh, and plagarism
That comes from dspjk5-https://www.debate.org/dsjpk5/debates/votes/
I’m living these days for one of pinkfreud08’s “that’s poor conduct!”s
Thanks 4 votes, folks
1. Maybe you made a mistake
2. Oh yeah, then WHY DID YOU FORFEIT
3. If someone was to accept the debate, they wouldn't expect something COMPLETELY PLAGIARISED.
4. Just because you found it on some other site, doesn't mean you can pass it off as your own, it's your own fault, and almost all your debates have plagiarized material inside of it.
5. When you post something inside of this site, it's automatically recognized as your own work, therefore you are trying to claim someone else's work as your own.
1. Why did I not remove the chapter's title too? If I was trying to hide it,I would have done the job properly.
2. This debate is of 5 rounds. My own arguments were about to come in the later rounds.
3. I don't care what you believe. The site itself states that its users have received permission from the concerned authorities to post it on the Internet where everyone could use it. If you accepted the debate,what else did you expect? If you can't stand the heat,then get out of the kitchen.
4. The site's users have already written that they have obtained the necessary permission to post it on the Internet. So,there is certainly no theft. The only problem you seem to have is that it was too much for you.
I have no intention to concede anything. If you want,then I'll ask everybody to ignore R1 and award the conduct point to you. But,if you want to discontinue this debate in the later rounds too,it's you who'll be conceding this debate,not me.
1) You printed the entirety of chapter 17 except for editing out "Chapter 17," which would have given it away.
2) You did not write a thesis or define terms. You did not author a single word. That's not a support to an argument, that is misrepresentation as argument.
3) You did not use quotes or highlights or italics or bold to suggest special text.
4)Essentially, you handed me the job of refuting in R1 an entire chapter of a professionally researched best-selling book without even the benefit of knowing that so that I could investigate Spencer's sources and critics. If you had truly planned to reveal in some later round that every word you wrote was stolen, you would have obviously been subject to the same criticism. So no, I don't believe you intended to credit Spencer in later rounds.
5) cut & pasting some other guy's whole chapter is not a "whoops, I didn't know that wasn't allowed" kind of mistake. If you attended primary school, you learned that this behavior falls somewhere between lying & theft.
You should concede this debate and apologize for shit conduct.
https://epdf.pub/politically-incorrect-guide-to-islam-by-robert-spencer.html
This is it.
It also said,""This content was uploaded by our users and we assume good faith they have the permission to share this book". Keeping that in mind,I posted these passages. To avoid trouble,I had thought to declare it as Richard Spencer's work in the later rounds.
I request you to go to the website I posted downwards. You'll see it is a very rough-cut version with lots of spelling mistakes. Even you said that I edited it some. That's because I did so. I cleared the spelling mistakes and formatted it.
https://epdf.pub/politically-incorrect-guide-to-islam-by-robert-spencer.html
This is the website from which I used passages for my argument. It also says that,"This content was uploaded by our users and we assume good faith they have the permission to share this book". Keeping that in mind,I posted these passages. To avoid trouble,I had thought to declare it as Richard Spencer's work in the later rounds. I had decided to write my own arguments later since I would have 4 more rounds to do so.
I also never claimed this writing to be my own. I had full intent to announce this as Richard Spencer's work in later rounds. To assume that I deliberately stole this and had no future intention to announce its sources is unfair,to say the least.
Wait a second,I was going to quote in my later rounds that this was the work of Richard Spencer. Since this was a 5 round debate,I opted to first quote some work from others before writing my own arguments. I did not do it with the intent of maligning somebody or stealing someone's work. I had full intent of writing in the later rounds that this work was of Richard Spencer's. The point is since this was a 5 round debate,I figured I would have further opportunities to write my own arguments. I was not aware of the fact that I had to write all my arguments without any references from others.
Actually surprised you did not get a No True Scotsman opponent.
I guess no one can argue to the contrary.