My thanks to Dr.Franklin
Let's recall our
THESIS: "The social movement known as Black Lives Matter benefits American society."
Instigation confers the heavier proof of burden here, with CON needing to establish that BLM offers no societal benefit of any kind. PRO needs to show some benefit.
{--BLM SITS ON A CROWN OF LIES---}
OBJECTION #3: Mixed Metaphor
although throne and crown both imply some authority or power accrued by deceit. What authority or power is Black Lives Matter implied to have accrued by this metaphor? That is, what does the metaphor of the crown stand for?
OBJECTION #4: Support does not link to thesis.
CORRECTION: Even if CON could show that BLM "sits on a crown of lies," lying by itself does not refute benefit. This support does does not forward CON's claim.
Despite what The MSM [main stream media?] and BML [sic- BLM?] tells you, Police Brutality affects all races.
OBJECTION #5: Undocumented claim
CORRECTION: CON needs to provide at least one example of a mainstream media outlet claiming that some races are not impacted by police brutality and one example of Black Lives Matter making such a claim. PRO has investigated this claim and can find no online examples supporting CON's claim.
According to The Washington Post statistics:(1).46% of police shootings was to whites compared to 23% for blacks.For unarmed the statistic is 23 whites dead to 18 blacks dead.
OBJECTION #6: Self-refutation
The Washington Post is mainstream media.
Conservapedia lists the Washington Post as second on its list of newspapers qualifying as "mainstream media."
In the last sentence, CON characterized MSM as dishonest and in this sentence uses a primary MSM outlet to refute both MSM and BLM. Both sentences can't be prove true. If the MSM lies about police brutality, then the Washington Post's stats can't be trusted. If the WashPo stats are to be trusted (PRO would argue that they should be) then CON's prior claim [that the MSM does not report that police brutality affects all races] is disproved by CON's own evidence.
CORRECTION: The prepositional phrase, "Despite what the MSM and BML tells you" has been shown to be false and readers should disregard.
If there really was an epidemic of cops shooting innocent blacks, these numbers should be way higher.
OBJECTION #7:Undocumented, unsupported claim
"Epidemic" is a subjective adjective connoting, in this context, a recent cluster of events. For CON to present this use as an example of BLM "lies," CON must provide specific examples and demonstrate how these statements could not possibly represent an honest characterization of police killings.
CORRECTION: Readers should disregard this claim as evidence of lying or non-benefit to society.
(2)According to John Jay College, if you are a young white man, and in a police confrontation, you are more likely to be shot by police than if you are a young black man
OBJECTION #8: Broken link to source (404 error), self refutation
CORRECTION: CON has found a viable link to the citation:
The cited paper's findings report the opposite of CON's summary.
"even when controlling for arrest demographics, participating departments
revealed racial disparities across multiple levels of force severity"
"even when controlling for the very rare occurrence of arrest for violent crime within a demographic —an event that previous research suggests is only modestly more likely in and of itself to result in a use of force incident — 25%-55% of participating departments still revealed robust racial disparities that disadvantaged Blacks."
That is, even when you take the increased incidence of crime out of the picture, cops use greater force against black suspects than white. Even when you take violent crimes out of the picture- cops use greater force against black suspects than white.
OBJECTION #9: Poor conduct
CORRECTION: Whether or not the broken link was intentional, misrepresenting a study's findings as the opposite of the reported conclusion is conduct worthy of voter consideration.
Yes, blacks make up around 14% of the population but commit more violent crime per capita. According to the Us Department Of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with European Americans 45.3%and "Other" 2.2%.In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:Black or African Americans 4,379 = 51.3%White Americans (non-Hispanic Americans) 2,861 = 33.5%.
OBJECTION #10: self-refutation
The John Jay College report finds black crime and black violent crime rates are non-determinative for greater use of force by police. Con has pre-refuted the relevance of this stat.
CORRECTION: Readers should disregard as irrelevant to topic.
OBJECTION #11: No citation
OBJECTION #12: No link to support
CON fails to show how these statistics support the notion that BLM lies.
CORRECTION: Readers should disregard as irrelevant to support.
OBJECTION #13: No link to thesis
CON fails to show how these statistics support the notion that BLM is entirely without benefit to society. Men commit more crimes than women. Are all men therefore more deserving of police violence or less entitled to police protection? Obviously not.
CORRECTION: Again, disregard.
BLM activists say that Blacks should train for Police Brutality. The chance of that happening. 1 in 60,000.(the same chance as getting struck by lightning)
OBJECTION #14: no citations
OBJECTION #15: false data.
CORRECTION: National Geographic put the chance of being struck by lightning in the average lifetime at 1 in 5000.
OBJECTION #16: false data
"for Black residents was 273 per 100,000, which is 2.5 times as high as the overall rate and 3.6 times as high as the rate for White residents (76 per 100,000) "
and 100,000/273 =366.3 so using CON's data blacks have a 1 in 366 ANNUAL chance of experiencing police brutality. Repeated over 60 years and you get a 1 in 6.1 chance of police brutality- CON's statistic is wrong by four orders of magnitude according to CON's own report.
OBJECTION #17:self-refuting analogy
CON argues the BLM lies because it recommends training for an event no more common than lightning strike. The National Weather Service and the Boy Scouts of America of training for lightning strikes. Are the NWS and BSA therefore lying about the perils of lightning strikes?
CORRECTION: Readers should consider CON's claim as evidence favoring PRO: Whatever the extent of BLM's training or recommendations to train for police brutality, education is nearly always a positive benefit and about as relevant as lightning training by the National Weather Service, which few would call entirely unbeneficial.
Michael Brown. AHH, where do we start? First he robbed a convenience store and reached for a cops gun. But that is not it. He created the ferguson effect which is discussed below. The number one way to not interfere or get shot by cops in not to commit a crime. It is not useful to riot or destroy black businesses. Hands up, don't shoot = Fake News.
OBJECTION #18: false data
CORRECTION: The Ferguson Effect is bullshit. SEE => OBJECTION #41.
OBJECTION #19: no citations
Except for the Ferguson Effect claim, PRO & CON are in general agreement in this paragraph.
"The evidence, when viewed as a whole, does not support the conclusion that Wilson’s uses of deadly force were “objectively unreasonable”
under the Supreme Court’s definition. There is no evidence that Michael Brown had his hands up in the air when shot so yes, "Hands up, Don't Shoot'
PRO & CON agree here that "hands up, don't shoot" is
based on a lie. Although BLM did not originate that lie BLM was clearly the principle exponent of that lie.
OBJECTION #20: no link to thesis
PRO concedes that BLM has propagated at least one falsehood. PRO refutes that CON has established a standard for "crown of lies" or that PRO's concession of this point serves as evidence supporting "crown of lies" or indeed as evidence disproving any benefit. It is perfectly possible that BLM both once helped tp spread false information nevertheless and yet provides at least one societal benefit.
If America oppress blacks, then why did we elect a black president?
OBJECTION #21: Straw Man
CORRECTION: As shown in R1-OBJECTION #2 Black Lives Matter does not claim that America oppresses blacks. CON must show evidence in support of this claim.
OBJECTION #22: CON again inaccurately delineates America from blacks. (SEE => OBJECTION #2)
CORRECTION: The set of all American citizens includes the set of all black people.
OBJECTION #23: affirming a disjunct
"A is true or B is true.
B is true.
Therefore, A is not true.*
The conclusion does not follow from the premise as it could be the case that A and B are both true. This fallacy stems from the stated definition of or in propositional logic to be inclusive."
Like this:
1. America oppresses blacks or America has elected a black president
2. America has elected a black president
3. Therefore, America does not oppress blacks
The conclusion does not follow.
Americans can and often do feel oppressed by members of their own racial group. For example,
Thomas Jefferson felt oppressed by King George III although both belonged to the same race.
Black Lives Matter should be called Facts don't Matter.
OBJECTION #24: unwarranted, speculative
CORRECTION: disregard
{---BLM IS A BAD ASSOCIATION TO BE WITH----}
1)Top BLM members at colleges demand for segregation.Source:(3)
OBJECTION #25: no citation
CON's citation "The Toronto Sun" is insufficient. PRO has found no Toronto Sun articles or any other source that validates this claim.
2)Call for banning white people from their meetings even though their own leader is white. Sean [sic] King:
OBJECTION #26: Inconsistent definition
Barrack Obama and
Jeffrey Shaun King both have black fathers and white mothers, but CON makes one argument that depends on Barack Obama being black and another argument that depends on Sean King being white.
CORRECTION: CON must apply one rational definition and drop one or both arguments as appropriate.
OBJECTION #27: self-refutation
CORRECTION:If CON defines Shaun King as white (King identifies as mixed race), then this serves as evidence contradicting CON's statement that BLM excludes whites. Since Sean King is not excluded from BLM meetings, King is either not white or BLM does not ban white people (or at least, not entirely).
OBJECTION #28:false data
CORRECTION: BLM has no leadership. As argued in R1, BLM recognizes no formal hierarchy. Shaun King may be a member of BLM but Shaun King, by design, cannot represent the views of BLM independently.
3)They call for killing dead cops
OBJECTION #29: false data
CORRECTION: Prima facie absurdity. No BLM statements call for re-killing the dead. This argument should be ignored.
OBJECTION #30: no citation
4)One of their original founders back in 2012 is on the FBI'S most wanted TERRORISTS with a 2 million dollar reward. Her mission was to create a race war between delusional blacks and cops. She got what she wanted. She killed a cop and escaped to Cuba. In St. Louis, there was a protest quoting and praising her.
OBJECTION #31: false data
"movement was co-founded by three black community organizers: Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors, and Opal Tometi."
Although all three founders have been arrested in the course of non-violent protest, none of these three have ever been charged with a felony. CON's accusation is entirely false and without merit and should be dismissed. Also, BLM was founded in the summer of 2013, not 2012.
5)Hijacking other civil rights movements:source:(4)
OBJECTION #32: no citation
CORRECTION: CON must link to source. Just "Toronto Sun" is insufficient.
6)Co-Founder claims that All Lives Matter is racist.
OBJECTION #33: no citation
Which founder?
So according to a poll, 64% of blacks are racist.
OBJECTION #34: no citation.
What poll?
7)BLM members torturing disabled trump supporter
OBJECTION #35: false data
"In its aftermath, the hashtag #BLMKidnapping was trending on Twitter, implying a connection with the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement. None of the attackers specifically mentioned Black Lives Matter in the video and the police found there to be no direct connection. Representatives for Black Lives Matter's Chicago branch denounced the beating and stated that they were uninvolved, and police stated that they found no evidence that Black Lives Matter was the motive of the incident."
OBJECTION #36: no citation
8)BLM destroyed businesses run by other black people.
OBJECTION #37: no citation
PRO is unable to determine what event(s) CON is referring to here.
9)Funded by George Soros.
OBJECTION #38: no citation
OBJECTION #39: no link to support
If true, how does taking money from George Soros serve as evidence of "a bad assoiciation?" Soros is most famous for having bankrolled many important anti-communist dissidents at the end of the Cold War
"including Poland's Solidarity movement, Charter 77 in Czechoslovakia and Andrei Sakharov in the Soviet Union."
"His [Soros's] extensive funding of political causes has made him a "bugaboo of European nationalists".[21] Numerous American conservatives have promoted false claims that characterize Soros as a singularly dangerous "puppetmaster" behind a variety of alleged global plots, with The New York Times reporting that by 2018 these claims had "moved from the fringes to the mainstream of Republican politics."
10) MLK found justice through peace and unity under Constitutional foundings. BLM divides and race hates. MLK preached not to riot and march peacefully. BLM riots. They want to keep blacks dependent on welfare and the government.
OBJECTION #40: no citation
A string of fairly provocative accusations without any documentation. What fair reporting finds that BLM is a hate group? What fair reporting finds that BLM riots? What fair reporting finds that BLM wants to increase black dependency?
11)Police Officers can not do their job because BLM will hunt them down and doxx them, call for their head and their firing. What about the ferguson effect after the Protests In Ferguson caused by the shooting of Michael Brown that August, his officers had been hesitant to enforce the law due to fears of being charged, and that "the criminal element is feeling empowered" as a result.
OBJECTION #41: false data
CORRECTION: The Ferguson Effect, speculative in 2015, is now thoroughly debunked.
"Racialized changes in the quantity and quality of policing among Missouri police departments found that Changes in police behavior had no appreciable effect on total, violent, or property crime rates."
Pyrooz, et al found "There is no evidence to support a systematic Ferguson Effect on overall, violent, and property crime trends in large U.S. cities"
12)BLM also supports victimhood. Victimhood disempowers black people because they are not motivated to do anything if there are always the “Victim”.
OBJECTION #42: no citation
CORRECTION: To the extent that non-violent political engagement is precisely the preferred democratic remedy to government oppression, PRO argues CON's claim is manifestly false.
13)Shooting cops. Dallas police Shooting Blue Lives Matter. The Left and BLM trying to dethrone cops when they protect ALL of them is ridiculous.
OBJECTION #43: false data
CORRECTION: There was no relationship between BLM and the shooter, Micah Johnson. BLM protesters were, of course, also fired upon by alongside the cops. Naturally,
BLM condemned the shootings immediately.
Two lawsuits that alleged that the Dallas shootings were a result of Black Lives Matter incitement have been
dismissed as without merit.
14) The Charlotte Riots: A BLM protest,white people were being beat up and were screaming for mercy. Rocks were being thrown at rocks and trucks,stores, and buildings were looted. A state of emergency was declared and The national Guard has been deployed.
OBJECTION #44:no citation
CORRECTION: PRO finds the above more or less true. While the slogan "Black Lives Matter" was certainly tossed around the first night, I don't think it can be fairly claimed that BLM organization (or any organization) was in evidence the first or second night. Professor and BLM member Toussaint Romain's
peacekeeping efforts on the second night of the rioting certainly reflected BLM values and training and benefited the City of Charlotte by reduced harm.
Everywhere BLM goes,Hate,riots and destruction follows. If these were a minority, how come everywhere BLM goes-violence goes.
OBJECTION #45: no citation, false claim
CORRECTION: BLM membership and advocacy is commonplace- to be found in most any American city of any size. Since all American cities are not destroyed by hate and riots, CON's claim is disproved.
Ferguson, Baltimore, Salt-Lake City, Dallas,Milwaukee,Detroit,etc,etc. It's not a coincidence. Whenever this stupid narrative is pushed by Obama and MSM, violence happens right after.
OBJECTION #46: false claim
CORRECTION: CON seems to imply that Obama and the mainstream media caused riots in six cities. CON fails to specify events but it looks like all six of these events begin with a police shooting of an unarmed person suggesting that the violence began BEFORE not AFTER any response by the President or the News. What is BLM accused of in these cases? Are there any charges, investigations, documentation of BLM organization? PRO found no such evidence but that is a lot of ground to cover.
BLM is a hateful movement at heart. We have never seen this out of the KKK or other groups that are claimed to be violent.
OBJECTION #47: false claim
CORRECTION: The Klan murdered many people. The
Tuskegee Institute has documented 4,743 lynchings between 1882 and 1968. BLM is responsible for no deaths to my certain knowledge while the KKK is responsible for thousands, at least.
Other groups do not see the level of riots seen at BLM protests.
OBJECTION #48: false claim
CORRECTION: Manifestly false. CON has admired the justice of the 1960's Civil Rights Movement but those protests were marked by far more violence, arrests, and property damage than anything the US has seen in the past five years. Labor strikes and Anti-war protests were easily far more violent than BLM. The scale of Superbowl rioting alone almost certainly accounts for more death and destruction: tens of thousands of rioters vs hundreds.
Feminists don't burn down cities.
OBJECTION #49: no citation, false data
If there was violence at every tea Party event, then the MSM would be ALL OVER the Tea Party. Hence, why only 37% of blacks support BLM now, and only 11% for all citizens.
OBJECTION #50: No citation
CORRECTION: The most recent poll PRO can find is a
2017 Harvard-Harris poll: 83% of blacks have a favorable view of BLM and 43% favorable overall.
15. Crashing a cops wedding
OBJECTION #51: No citation
As a black person, you should not be in a culture/ association of acceptance of these ideas. Don't be in a group that goes against Martin Luther King.Jr.
OBJECTION #52: non sequitur
CORRECTION: CON has failed to show how BLM "goes against" Martin Luther King.
{---THEY ARE BIGGER ISSUES----}
If BLM cared about Black people, they would address these issues.
OBJECTION #53: Whataboutism
CORRECTION: CON's job is to show that BLM serves no benefit. The argument that there other social problems worthy of reform does not refute the value of protesting against police brutality.
The percentage of blacks murdered by other blacks before BLM existed was 91%. Today it is anywhere near 87% to 94%.
OBJECTION #54: no citation
Or how about blacks are 4x more likely to undergo an abortion. In NYC, more black babies were aborted than born.
Same in Georgia.
OBJECTION #55:no citations
OBJECTION #56: no link to thesis
CORRECTION: CON must show how fewer babies does not benefit an overpopulated society.
How about The Victim Mentality, urban terrorism,
OBJECTION #57: undefined terms
What is CON talking about with these two items?
80 years of KKK lynching is just 6 months of black on black crime.
OBJECTION #58: false data
A lack of fathers and brainwashing from Democrats, black kids undergraduates, and high prison rates.
OBJECTION #59: no citation
CON is just stringing together TV pundit talking points without any kind of documentation or evidence here.
They only care about money.
OBJECTION #60: racist generalization, stereotype
OBJECTION # 61: undefined term
CORRECTION: The term
"blexit" was already a movement towards Black economic independence before Fox News pundits infringed on intellectual property. CON's sloganeering needs a new term.
This Blacks are waking up as only 37% of them support BLM.
OBJECTION #62: no citation
OBJECTION #63: false data
CORRECTION: SEE => OBJECTION #50
Think for your yourself if you are black.
OBJECTION #64: no link to thesis
How does CON's imperative directed towards black people forward CON's case that Black Lives Matter serves no kind of benefit?
The entirety of CON's argument is so riddled with unsupported statements, unsupportable statments, half-truths, out right falsehoods, and irrelevant claims that PRO finds little argument to refute on the merits. PRO will summarize, address CON's R2 remarks and counter any new arguments in R3.
In the meanwhile, PRO looks forward to CON's R3 response.
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Votes on conceded debates are not moderated
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4.Ibid