I'm pro-abortion: change my mind

LOL

Both of you are going to like this. I'm pro life now.

If I kill the baby, God rewards the baby with heaven.

So how do you know God wants you to kill unborn children?

God tells us to do things that send us to heaven, like not murdering. However, he also tells us things that wouldn't send others to heaven, like killing various groups. He does both.

God doesn't burn people in hell. People end up here of their own choosing. The choices you make in life determine where you end up. God says "Do these things, and you will end up with me in Heaven, or do these things and you will have an eternity without me (i.e. Hell), but the choice is yours"

Life is a journey. Each action we take moves us either in the direction toward God or away from Him.

The Bible says thou shalt not murder? Really? What version are you reading? Most versions I've seen has it as "Thou Shalt Not Kill"

YOu say going to Heaven is more important than following God's commandments...The question is, how do you get to Heaven?

God makes it very clear that people go to hell if they reject Christ. God made all people and things and loves us so much, but if people willfully reject Christ then the punishment is Hell. God is against abortion. Abortion is murder. He wants people to have an earthly life and choose if we love him.

Like I said, it is wise to listen to God and not yourself because God has a plan for everything beyond our capability of knowledge. Trying to justify something for God is bad because God is the source for all right and wrong, due justice and mercy. Maybe you will understand when your autism gets better.

I am like Saint Peter. I think for myself. Look at what God does to Saint Peters. If God is all loving, he would have supplied a convincing enough justification as to why he burns most people in hell and why abortion is necessary to save a fetus.

Abortion is murder. God is against abortion. You are trying to fix a solution that seems just to you. Only God understands.

The bible says, "Thou shall not murder". If it said, "Thou shall not kill", then it would not support the death penalty and we would all have to be vegetarians. I think going to heaven is more important then following God's commandments. The way to send the unborn to heaven at a 100% success rate is to kill them, preferably within the 1st 20 weeks so they can't feel pain.

Curious. Why are you pro-abortion?

I feel like I need to correct you as a fellow Christian. It is not your place to say who is or who isn't going to Heaven. Only God knows. To say with certainty who is or who isn't going to Heaven is pretty much elevating yourself to God's level. That you can not do, my friend.

The Bible also says thou shalt not kill. So you are taking as truth when the Bible says unborn go to heaven. But yet, you are not taking as truth (or rather perhaps disobeying) the Bible when it says thou shalt not kill. Why is that?

Just because laws are enacted by a group of people does not automatically mean those laws are "right" and "just". Hell, in the very near future a group of people could enact a law that says all guys named "Alec" must be strung up by their testicles every day at noon for 10 minutes. I'm sure you'd be quick to say "Hey now! That is NOT a just law!" If I were to say "But hey, it's legal. I mean come on, the majority of the population thinks all guys named Alec must be strung up by their testicles for 10 minutes. I mean come on, we're doing these guys a FAVOR-- it's building their character.", I'm sure you would still find issue with the law. In fact, you might even argue that just because it's a law doesn't mean it's "right" or "just"

Murder is a legal term. If you want to give abortion a negative spin, you can call it unjustified killing.

My point was whether it is legal or not does not make it morally right or not murder.

"It's legality does not have to do with it. God's standards are."

The US does not have religious law. Otherwise, we would have to kill people for doing things that the bible prescribes the death penalty for.

Abortion is murder. It's legality does not have to do with it. God's standards are. Small counts as anyone, mainly children, who are incapable or too young too fully understand the concept of Christ.

"Life is valuable, heaven is priceless. What's better for the kid, especially if before 20 weeks?"

The kid will grow up and have the choice to accept God. God gives us free will, that's how much he loves us. God is against abortion. Overall, God has a plan for anything that isn't in our grasp to understand.

"So you concede small children go to heaven?"

If that's what the bible says, it's what the bible says. I'm not an expert on the bible, but I know some verses. Of course, what counts as "small"?

Abortion is not murder since it's legal. If I believed the unborn did not go to heaven, I would be pro life. But they do go to heaven, so they are gaining from their death.

Life is valuable, heaven is priceless. What's better for the kid, especially if before 20 weeks?

So you concede small children go to heaven? It is disgusting to suggest God is pro-abortion. He created every baby uniquely from the moment of conception. He wants them to have a life. He is strictly against murder, and abortion is murder.

I read your paragraphs, and if God loves his children, he ought to support abortion because it sends the kids to heaven. Should we agree to disagree on this topic?

No. I just am busy since I got like 6 notifications.

Since I see you're online and not responding did i change ur mind?

" If unborn children go to heaven and might go to hell if on Earth, then lets send them to heaven."

I just typed like 5 paragraphs of verses and explanations of people who are incapable of knowing god and babies going to heaven.

"He shows love by burning all his opponents in hell"

He is a just god. People who willfully reject Christ go to hell. Heaven is for the believers and accepter's of god's love. This is off topic btw

Yes Ben Shapiro will go to hell.

"We can be assured that God will do what is right and loving because He is the standard of rightness and love." If unborn children go to heaven and might go to hell if on Earth, then lets send them to heaven.

He shows love by burning all his opponents in hell. It would be like the regressive left claiming that they stood for progress, by abolishing free speech and by bringing back tribalism.

If it takes a willful rejection of Jesus to go to hell, does that mean Ben Shapiro will go to hell?

And yes, Ben Shapiro is going to hell. He has not accepted Christ as dying on the cross.

However, another point may be helpful in answering this question. While infants and children have neither sensed their personal sin and need for salvation nor placed their faith in Christ, Scripture teaches that condemnation is based on the clear rejection of God's revelation--whether general or specific--not simple ignorance of it (Luke 10:16; John 12:48; 1 Thess. 4:8).

Can we definitely say that the unborn and young children have comprehended the truth displayed by God's general revelation that renders them "without excuse" (Rom. 1:18-20)? They will be judged according to the light they received. Scripture is clear that children and the unborn have original sin--including both the propensity to sin as well as the inherent guilt of original sin. But could it be that somehow Christ's atonement did pay for the guilt for these helpless ones throughout all time? Yes, and therefore it is a credible assumption that a child who dies at an age too young to have made a conscious, willful rejection of Jesus Christ will be taken to be with the Lord.

Second Samuel 12:23 is one of the passages often quoted to imply that babies go to heaven. Though the verse doesn't explicitly say that, David clearly does expect to one day be reunited with his departed child. Since we know David is a believer whose destiny was heaven, we can infer that his hope of reunion means he expected his child to be in heaven. Thus, 2 Samuel 12:23 suggests strong evidence for a heavenly destiny of the unborn and children who die young.

If this were all we had to support our position, it would be admittedly less than stalwart. However, there are other evidences that point us to the same conclusion. First, the Bible clearly teaches that God cares deeply for children. Passages like Matthew 18:1-6 and 19:13-15 affirm the Lord's love for them. Those verses don't state that children go to heaven, but they do show God's heart toward children. He created and cares for children, and beyond that, He always accomplishes His perfect will in every circumstance.

The psalmist reminds us that God is "full of compassion and gracious, longsuffering and abundant in mercy and truth" (Ps. 86:15). He is the God who became flesh that He might carry our sins away by His death on the cross (2 Cor. 5:21). He is the God who will comfort Christians in heaven, for "He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death; nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain" (Rev. 21:4). We can be assured that God will do what is right and loving because He is the standard of rightness and love. Those considerations alone seem to be evidence enough of God's particular, electing love shown to the unborn and those who die young.

Where does it say that? If that's true, then why does the bible say that most will go to hell? To the Muslim, Allah is as real as God is to the Christian, or as Buddha is to the Buddhist. The bible says most people will burn in hell. There are 2 possible scenarios to how this could play out. 1) Only Christians go to heaven. If this is true, then Ben Shapiro is going to hell. Hopefully, it's not true. 2) Only devout people would go to heaven. If this is true, what counts as "devout"? If Devout Christians go to a christian heaven, if devout Muslims go to a Muslim heaven, etc, then a devout atheist is going nowhere. They aren't going to heaven, but they get to avoid hell.

People who don't know Christ or are too young to understand go to heaven. It says in the Bible.

You're right, we need to save the babies from eternal damnation! >:)

I used to be pro life, but if you kill the baby, they go to heaven. If they are born, they will probably go to hell. I'd rather kill them then let them burn in hell.

I am thus far unconvinced by the affirmative case...

seriously...

What does Imao mean?

lmao