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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (JJBA) is truly the best anime. We can take this from the main reasons that are within the show and I will extend this further.
First, the intro to JJBA "{[(Spoiler's Ahead.)]}"
JJBA begins with Jonathan Joestar from the mid-1800s. He lives a very wealthy and noble life. His father (And him as an infant) were saved by a poor family, known as the Brando's. Dio, (The Main Antagonist), is the son of the man who saved the Joestar's. As the only heritage, Dio's father gives him an invitation to the Joestar house, and to live there. Dio set's a goal from then on to be the owner of the massive Joestar wealth. He moves to the Joestar mansion, and begins harassing Jonathan, first attacking him, killing his dog, and then fighting him and making a better impression on his father than Jonathan.
Soon, Dio finds a mysterious mask. As Jonathan and Dio were fighting, blood spewed over the mask, which made it reveal hooks. Dio sets the plan to kill the family with it. As he tests it on thugs, he realizes, however, that the mask doesn't kill people. It turns them into vampires! After nearly dying, with the daylight saving his life, Dio now doesn't want to kill the Joestar's with the mask, but also begin conquest as a vampire.
So, after the family realizes what Dio has been scheming, Dio arrives, slits his wrist with the mask on, and becomes a vampire in front of the police, and the Joestar's.
Jonathan is forced to flee, and meets a man named Zeppelli. This man teaches Jonathan Hamon, a force people use to channel blood/energy to objects, or other people.
Jonathan, after training, decides to have a final showdown with Dio. After defeating Dio, Jonathan thinks that he is safe, until Dio survives the attack, due to his servant saving him. Dio, weak, decides to kill Jonathan, sever his head, and attach his head to Jonathan's body.
First Joestar, Dead.
(The second half, Battle Tendency, isn't as important) to Dio's plot.
Fast forward 100 years, and you have Jotaro Kujo. he thinks that he has a demon residing in him, and wants to stay in jail so that he can't harm anyone. His "Demon," has the precision to catch a bullet from a handgun, just inches away from his face, and one that He fired. Jotaro learns from his uncle, Joseph Joestar, that this is called a Stand, a physical manifestation of his body that not everyone can see, only those with Stands can see it. Every stand is unique, but most are generalized into main categories.
When confronted with Dio, he doesn't take anything to it. He doesn't change his mind toward any of his decisions at first, but changes them when his mother starts getting sick from Dio's stand. Because she never trained her Stand, and because she is so weak, it is slowly killing her. She has about 50 days to live.
However, Dio only gets stronger. His stand, called "The World" has a special ability, un-knowing to Jotaro, however. His can STOP TIME. And, as he grows stronger, he realizes his only weakness is that his Joestar body hasn't yet fully accepted Dio's blood. Dio's vampiric healing abilities are slower in Jonathan's body, and believes to overcome this, he needs time, and blood from Joestar's.
So, Jotaro, Joseph, and Avdol set out to save Jotaro's mother. After some attacks from Dio's servants, Polnareff, a French fighter, and Kakyoin, a student, join the fight. And further in, a dog with a stand made of stand, Iggy joins the fight as well.
Stands:
Jotaro Kujo: Star Platinum. A short-range fighter, it can only use fists, but has the precision to catch bullets and go fist-to-fist with other fighters. Also has binocular/microscopic vision. Jotaro learns that because his and Dio's stands are the same, he can also move in stopped time.
Jean-Pierre Polnareff: Silver Chariot. A mid-range fighter, using a rapier sword. It can take off it's armor, which gives Polnareff protection from attacks, to move quicker. And, can shoot its sword out as a bullet, but only once, as it only has one blade.
Muhammad Avdol: Magician's Red. A more mid-to long range fighter. It uses Fire as a weapon, and can heat the room several degrees Celsius. It can also shoot fire from its burn marks.
Noriaki Kakyoin: Hierophant Green. A long range fighter, it can shoot emerald-like stones as a weapon, and can inhabit bodies and nearly completely possess them.
Iggy: The Fool. A stand made of sand, one of the few Stand's that people without Stand's can see. It can manifest itself into anything, and is therefore short, long, and mid-range.
Dio: THE WORLD. A short-range fighter. Similar to Star Platinum, but, due to training, can move up to 10 seconds while time is stopped. he can float in this time, and can also throw objects, and move/attack people, where they will move and then grind to a halt from stopped time. Considered, "The Ultimate Stand," by Dio.
After nearly 50 days, Jotaro and company arrive in Cairo, where Dio is hiding. This is where the most death in the show occurs. Jotaro must overcome all of Dio's servants.
These servants kill Iggy and Avdol. After finding Dio, Dio kills Kakyoin and kills Joseph. Jotaro, after 6 episodes, kills Dio, and saves Joseph by putting Joestar blood into Joseph.
That's just Stardust Crusader's and Phantom Blood. The lore goes further in the next parts of the manga, with Diamond Unbreakable, Vento Aureo (known as Golden Wind in the anime,) Stone Ocean, Steel Ball Run, and JoJolion. The Anime, however, has only reached Golden Wind.
NOW begins the attacks:
Power System:
The power system very deep in JJBA. Because, unlike Hunter x Hunter, My Hero Academia, or one-punch man, JJBA is different. JJBA has generalized character's and their Stand's, but each is special. Take Diamond Unbreakable and Stardust Crusaders. Josuke Higashikata (Main protagonist in DU) and Jotaro Kujo (Main protagonist in SC). Despite both being similar, having the same precision, speed, and power, Jotaro has the ability to move in stopped time, while Josuke can warp an object's or a person to a different appearance. Giorno Giovanna, from Golden Wind, also has a similar ability to both of these, but also has the ability to give life to inanimate objects, or change them to body parts, by sacrificing Stand power.
In JJBA Power System's, the power is spread to generalized stand's, but is then differentiated into certain aspects depending on the Stand. No 2 stand's are ever exactly the same, and most have very different uses in the Manga and Anime.
Second, Storyline:
Storyline, is definitely better than HxH. The story goes much further into lore, and allows for much more fan interaction, whether it be, "Who's the best Joestar?" To, "Who was the best antagonist?" or even, "Who has the Ultimate Stand?" The lore goes very far, and the story is very deep and SOOOOO binge-worthy. Any anime-fan could instantly be hooked onto the show, and then binge-watch the series. I did so myself, and even after watching other anime's, I re-watched the entire series (though more like Re-Binged.) due to how good it was and how deep the story went.
The narrator is pretty good, and adds to some comic relief at times. Whether it be how the person retires, or the random funny line, "Desert sand is sterile. (XD I laughed so hard at how random it was.)"
Third: Fights
Fights are definitely not the extreme, get as much in as possible, styled fights. However, the fights leave the audience just as much on the edge of their seats. The JJBA styled-fights are wits based. The fights are about who can strategically win, and almost always end in the awesome, "ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA" ending to the fight.
Fourth. Villains:
JJBA obviously wins villains here. Each season contains a new, and special main villain. Whether It be Dio, Kars, or even just minor antagonists like D'Arby, it is much better. JJBA always has many minor antagonist's to contribute, and each always play a special role into our hearts. D'Arby brother's always show power in their gambling abilities. Pet Shop showed the sheer power an animal can have. The Sun had a very crucial role in the protagonist's wits. All the antagonist's, no matter how minor, always seem to show something special in the protagonist's that wouldn't have been shown otherwise.
Fifth: The main Character
Again, JJBA wins this one. Each main character is very unique. Take Stardust Crusader's, for instance
Jotaro Kujo (Main protagonist of them): Cool-headed, smart, well witted.
Joseph Joestar: Old man, very outside-the-box thinker. Pretty much comic relief. "OH GOD"
Noriaki Kakyoin: Student, shy, but very strong.
Each main character from each sub-series is very special and unique to the show itself, and each character is at the worst similar to another, let alone the exact same.
Now, for some you missed:
Intro:
Not much to say, other than literally every JJBA intro theme was AMAZING.
Dub:
The dub in JJBA is clearly better.
I'm still debating on DDO. I feel bad leaving for the most part. But hey, at least 21stCenturyiconoclast debates me now XD!
Let's see your argument first.
Ok!
V. Bleach - I put this a hair under Naruto, some days right at the same level. I really love Bleach and the music is magnificent. I did hate that one specific filler arc "Bount arc" that came after the Rescue Rukia arc though smh, but I pushed through lmfao. I just really wish the series ended well, but it was somehow rushed from my understanding. Even still imo Full bringer arc was good, but it got boring after the whole Aizen thing. Aizen is my top favorite villain out of all the anime I have seen thus far lmao, Aizen fan boy.
VI. Akame ga kill - I heard the manga has a much different story than from the anime as well. Interesting.
l. Ah, I see. I'm an anime watcher not a manga reader. I dunno, I just prefer to watch it all in action, movement and music. Manga just isn't my thing but I do love the drawings. I attempted to get into the 1,000 year blood war arc (Bleach manga after it ended) but that arc was waaaaaaay too long, so I decided to drop it.
ll. Out of all my recommendations, Hunter x Hunter is the utmost important. This series is a gem. I won't even say much. It's a must watch. It will change your life! Compelling is the accurate word to use for HxH. And this series literally has one of the best power systems in anime. I assume you've seen a shit ton of anime from your list and you've also seen some great anime. You gotta add HxH on your list. I'd be really pleased if you eventually find the time to give HxH a go! I'm re watching it right now too.
lll. One piece - I agree with the pacing 100%. Snail pacing lmao. I have a love hate relationship with One piece. The series great for what it is, but at the same time, I can write a full blown list of it's flaws. It's like a line graph that goes up for excitement, then goes down for disappointment - for each arc. I almost dropped One piece twice, gave it a break but I still kept it pushing. Man I have some really good patience. Not to mention other flaws for me, art style, pacing, and more. And yeah I notice the manga for OP is notorious and some people prefer it over the anime.
lV. Naruto - My life. My obsession. Grew up on Naruto. It's got it's flaws and all but it will always be in a special place in my heart. It makes no sense how much I love this series, seen it way too many times to count. Re watching it right now.
Here's the list I came up with after some thought. It's most likely still incomplete.
https://myanimelist.net/animelist/whiteflame55?status=2
Should make one of those lists, though it'd be hard to find everything. My watching has been rather eclectic over the years.
I will say it's not quite that simple. Much as it's basically indisputable that FMA:B is a better done series in almost every way, the points where it's lacking the most come early. It rushes through a lot of the character building moments at the beginning of the series, particularly the story with Shou Tucker and some of the early stuff with their master, Izumi Curtis. It's not devastating, but it does make the emotional moments early on lose some punch. Not that I don't have any problems with FMA:B, but it might be one of the most tightly crafted anime series I've ever seen in any medium.
I finished the manga for Fairy Tail. It's a pretty decent series, to be sure, but it's a little trope-y for my liking, and I think other series have done this kind of story far better. Some of the fight scenes are truly triumphant, and I'm a fan of some of the characters, I just found that I was never as invested in this as I should have been. It certainly isn't trash, just nothing special.
Admittedly, haven't watched Hunter X Hunter, though I've been told I need to rectify that. I'm still a big fan of One Piece, though I think the anime has pacing issues. Honestly, that's one instance in which I'd say that the manga is stronger. I've gone through phases with Naruto, and though I have issues with a great deal of the story, the themes stick with me pretty well and the fight scenes are, at least to my knowledge, largely unmatched. Bleach is... well, I finished the manga, and let's just say I've been severely disappointed by it. Up through the end of the Rescue Rukia Arc, it was one of my all-time favorite anime. Past that point, it ranges from decent to incredibly frustrating. Akame ga Kill was admittedly a better manga than an anime, though it's pretty decent. I wouldn't call it one of my favorites. If I had to give a shortlist, my favorites would include Fate Zero, Tengen Toppa Gurren Laggan, Cowboy Bebop, Mob Psycho 100, Puella Magi Madoka Magica, and Made in Abyss.
https://myanimelist.net/animelist/Kayso?status=2
I haven't seen the original, only a bit of it because I remember seen it when I was younger, but people just recommend FMAB since they are the same story right? Just better animation. And they said it's from the manga right. So I just decided to go with FMAB since new animation. Similar to Hunter x Hunter 1999 version and the 2011 version. I just watched the 2011 version. I already know I'm gonna have a hell of a journey with FMAB, I know it will be great. I notice HxH and FMAB are the only series that I never seen anyone complain about, and they all love it like it's so perfect y'know? It's that good! Ah, Fairy Tail. I do love it, don't get me wrong but I just have to get farther along and finish it and then wait to judge. I do feel where you are coming from. There are some good moments and I love the characters but I'm not really like reeled in yet. For me, it has a lot of childish moments. So far, I'm trying to force myself to keep watching since I'm so far. Fairy Tail gets a lot of hate (I don't think it deserves it though) and everyone calls it trash. Maybe because it's real kiddy but nevertheless it's still good. I've never really been a big fan of like magic, wizards, and those types of things anyways. I just decided to watch since people told me and watch and they said it's good, and it actually sounded and looked interesting, I've got some favorite characters in the series and characters to ship too so lol. But, Naruto, HxH, Bleach & One piece are my everything. :D And Akame ga Kill is also one of my favorite series of all time. Planning to watch it for the 10th time lol.
No joke, FMA:B is one of the best series out there. I was a fan of the original series as well, though this is a substantial improvement. Fairy Tail has its moments, though I can't say it's one of my favorites. Lots of good series out there, always happy to talk anime.
Okay well be careful with spoilers especially on HxH because there's a very specific epic legendary moment that happes lol so just be careful searching up different images of HxH. HxH is the type of show that might very well get ruined for you if it gets spoiled. But no need to worry, I will not spoil at all. Anyways good luck in debate. Hope you enjoy HxH!
I just started FMAB about a week ago. I watched some of it when I was little but not all of it so I know at least what it's about but I'm like on episode 5. Always wanted to actually see the whole thing and I know its loved by so many people. Can't wait to continue watching. I'm also watching Fairy Tail right now, still on first season (ep 80)
I'm still on first season XD. Just started it a week ago. Don't worry about spoilers much. Idc as much about spoilers.
Okay thanks for telling me. I'll try and be as vague as possible then and I won't be too clear. What episode or arc of HxH are you on? That way I know what to avoid (best way I can)
If I talk about something in the future and episodes you haven't seen yet, then I will be really vague.
No, I haven't seen all of hunter x hunter yet, but it's fine. I know the basics. I understand the plot. Spoilers don't make me angry as much anymore, now that someone spoiled Endgame for me.
No, each debate will be overall. Round 1-5 will be about the entire series.
Last Q, will each round be different segments and caterogies? Like R1- fights, R2 - music, something like that? Or we just do what we want.
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Good luck
The anime I will choose is Hunter x Hunter. Few rules/disclaimers/questions.
1. Infake, you've see all of HxH right? Wouldn't want to spoil anyone.
2. For anyone that is viewing, be aware of spoilers, especially if you haven't finished a specific series.
3. Infake, we are arguing for only one anime, right? It cannot be more than one right? An anime that's A-tier.
Lastly, everyone knows how I feel about Naruto lol you can even check DDO + here. But that would be too easy and boring since I've done it so many times. I need to give HxH some love, so bad.
I'd take this if I'd seen JoJo's. In terms of additions, here's a short list of things that should rise to the level of A-Tier (at least if we're comparing with those you've given):
Death Note
Code Geass
Fullmetal Alchemist
Sword Art Online
Angel Beats
Elfen Lied
Attack on Titan
Fairy Tail
Cowboy Bebop
Evangelion
Hellsing
Rurouni Kenshin
K-On
Darker than Black
Pokemon
Yugioh
The list to choose from, if anyone missed it:
Dragon Ball series (DBZ, DBZ Kai, DBS)
Naruto
Hunter x Hunter
My Hero academia
One Punch Man
Bleach
Boruto
Black Clover
One Piece