Instigator / Con
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1432
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Topic
#889
Should President Trump go to war with Iran?
Status
Finished
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After 9 votes and with 16 points ahead, the winner is...
RationalMadman
Parameters
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 4
- Time for argument
- Three days
- Max argument characters
- 30,000
- Voting period
- Six months
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
Contender / Pro
63
1702
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574
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67.86%
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Description
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4L0SP2Ney0
As tensions heat up between America and Iran, I thought I would debate whether war is the answer. i plan on voting for Trump as a centrist Republican (Bernie pissed me off too many times), but I do not think war should happen unless there is an ABSOLUTE reason, and I agree with Ron Paul that war should be approved by Congress first.
Round 1
My main reason for not wanting war with Iran is that constant wars are a multitude of problems: First, there is the loss of life. As a prolife Christian, I have an issue with that. Civilians from iran will die, and so will many of our troops. Second, what message does that send? It sends the message, that America can jihad just as much as the Islamic State. Third, Jesus said "bessed are the peacemakers", Fourth, what will stop iran or any other country from attacking America. War is for the most grave of situations. A pacifist, I am not, as I think the war against Nazi Germany was justified. Fifth, have you heard of what Ron Paul calls blowback? If i may quote Buddha, he said something like victory breeds hatred, for the conquered are never happy. Granted, we should not try to make terrorists happy, rather try to stave off war with more diplomatic options like sanctions. Many countries have grave human rights abuses, but we just can't bomb them all without looking like dictators. I await your response, and will gladly forfeit if you prove me wrong. Peace.
He should go to war with Iran on the basis of politics. The war can be himself and a propaganda war indeed.
Round 2
Come on, you are too intelligent to support another illegal war, and I respect you for that. i see no benefit to going to war with Iran, because the Iranian government does not truely speak for the many Iranians, who want peace.
Then that is a good reason to go to war with them. Then the new government can speak for the Iranian people.
Criterion Con Tie Pro Points
Better arguments ✗ ✔ ✗ 3 points
Better sources ✗ ✔ ✗ 2 points
Better spelling and grammar ✗ ✔ ✗ 1 point
Better conduct ✗ ✗ ✔ 1 point
Reason:CON was way ahead after R1 but never engaged PRO's counters and never fleshed out points. Conduct to PRO for making an entry in every round.
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Vote Reported: Dr.Franklin // Mod Action: Removed
Points awarded: 3 points to pro for arguments, one point to con for conduct
RFD: Yes there was a forfeit but I feel like Con had better arguments. She explained loss of life, threatening peace, etc. Pro did not respond to this nor gave facts.
Reason for mod action: The conduct point is sufficient, though the argument point is not. To award argument points, the voter must (1) survey the main arguments and counterarguments in the debate, (2) weigh those arguments and counterarguments against each other, and (3) explain, based on the weighing process, how they reached their decision.
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I responded to the arguments that he says I didn't respond to, he completely ignores my comebacks.
please vote here if you have time
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Vote Reported: Pinkfreud08 // Mod Action: Removed
Points awarded: Full 7 points to pro
RFD: I would like to thank both opponents for this debate.
POOR CONDUCT
Con has ff the majority of the rounds of the debate which is poor conduct
I ask the other voters to consider this when voting on conduct as well.
Reason for mod action: Although con forfeited half the rounds, it is not enough to award full 7 points to pro. Conduct is sufficiently explained, though they need to justify the remaining points.
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The voter should also review this: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/346?page=1&post_number=4
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Iran commits human rights abuses. They should be punished somehow. They agreed to give up their nukes in exchange for lifting the sanctions. We should somehow get more from Iran, such as fixing the human rights abuses that are there.
Damn right.
If he goes alone. Then yes.