So first let's make one thing clear, I never excluded transgender people from this or made any statement about whether they can truly be called "men" or "women". I am indifferent to this in the context of this debate because either way it is still a type-classification pertaining to an organism of a different gender and/or sex. Con's attempt to paint this debate as a hero-villain dynamic and his insinuation that I am trying to attack the LGBT community is quite frankly deceptive and childish.
For the sake of this debate ‘men and women’ being used in the archaic meaning of biological sex.
There is nothing "archaic" about it, that is what the terms commonly refer to. Your words ooze with accusation and false moral superiority.
Syl1: Men and women are not a type of anything.
They are a type of gender/sex which is distinct and are classified into different types, most notably male and female AKA men and women.
Syl1.0:
Major Premise: The XX vs XY
Chromosome configuration of biological males and biological females is
one of a multitude of factors into a person’s genetic build.3,4,5,6
Minor Premise: Men and women can differ from others of the same biological sex in up to, but usually much less than, 45 ways (46 - 1 chromosome), directly equal in severity to the difference of the XX vs XY chromosome.4,5
∴ Men and Women are as different from those in their own gender as from one another.
This holds no relevance since it's a given there are many types other than merely gender at play. There are people with blue eyes and people with brown eyes for instance, and a million other things differentiating people. To say this means that people can't be classified as different types of genders is absurd. If merely one factor such as gender is invalid merely because there are a million other ways people can be distinct genetically, then all other differences would also cancel each other out because they are equally if not more insignificant on their own. You are basically saying that because people are different in so many ways they are all actually the same type of thing in every way. Crazy right?
Syl1.1:
Minor Premise: [Using Venn Diagram logic]7 To be a type of something, there must be a defining feature amongst the
type that outweighs in similarity what is different between those
within it.14
Minor Premise: Men and
Women are, at least scientifically in potential, as different from those
in their own biological sex as from one another.[Syl1.0]
∴ Men and Women are not a type of anything.
What differentiates a cheeseburger and a bacon cheeseburger? Whether it has bacon. It can be the same in every way, but adding bacon changes what type of burger it is. Using this simple example I have extinguished your puny Minor premise. I shall now conquer the whole galaxy BWAHAHAHA sorry got carried away.
yl2: ‘Organism’ is not something that ‘men’ and ‘women’ can be grouped into.
2.0:
Major Premise: If
something is a plural of a singular, it is not able to be a singular as
if there’s only one, it is mutually exclusively singular as opposed to
plural.8,9,10
Minor Premise: Men and women are plural forms of singular organisms.11,12
∴ ‘Men’ and ‘Women’ can only be grouped into forms of a pluralised term.
To be honest, this is gibberish to me and I'm not touching it with a 40 foot pole. All I got from that was that if something is one of something it can't be a different type of the same thing, which is stupid. If I have plural bacon cheeseburgers and plural cheeseburgers, they are both a singular type of food but they are two different types of it. There can be sub-types of another type such as "hominid" "homo sapien" and "mammal" etc.
2.1:
Major Premise: ‘Men’ and ‘Women’ can only be grouped into forms of a pluralised term.[Syl2.0]
Minor Premise: ‘Organism’ is a singular term. 11,12
∴ ‘Organism’ is not something that ‘men’ and ‘women’ can be grouped into.
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Xbox and PS are both video game consoles, so there can't be different types of models, and they can't be different types of brands right? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, totally. Yeah, you're totally heroically destroying the basic facts about reality, whatever is such a vile villain as myself to do? Now I'll never get away with my vicious attacks upon the LGBT community which I carried out by claiming "men" and "women" refer to two different types of gender.
Am I the only one who may or may not have misread the title?
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If they're different organisms, how can they fuck and make kids?
good vote.
"I feel con missed the boat here by relying on obtuse and largely nonsensical semantic attacks; whilst pro added a very sensible sounding and intuitive argument about types. Con didn’t address the details of pros analysis here, or refute the key aspects of type pro raised in his first and second rounds."
Is identical to my reasoning in that debate he had vs Type1. I actually think he lost that debate.
Please counter shutus votebomb here.
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"Technically, every kind of organism is a different type than every other organism, because type can be defined by a single difference"
Exactly, that's why I literally win just by starting this debate and having someone accept it.
"but in the context of the debate, that's not what you're implying."
Yes it is, I am arguing that since men and women are two different types of people based on their gender, they are a different type of organism as in they are organisms and belong to two different types of gender.
Technically, every kind of organism is a different type than every other organism, because type can be defined by a single difference. I am a "different type" of organism from every other human because I am me, but in the context of the debate, that's not what you're implying.
Organisms can be classified into gender types therefor I am winning this debate. It's elementary really.
One word: hermaphrodites. People can be born with both sexual organs.
"Men and women are a different type of organism from each other."
I'm sorry, but this is kind of a stupid topic for an argument. Each species is just seperated into two genders based off of the amount of X and Y chromosomes. It doesn't nessecarily mean that men and women are different organisms.
"Pro's source supports 2.1's major premise"
minor not major*****
If all rounds are as brief as Sparrow's opening argument I'll vote. However, I feel like a 30 000 character opening argument from the Madman is on its way, have fun debating this topic Sparrow
I am going to try and semantically out-troll this tautology. Good luck.
They are both humans but males and females are different.