Trump is NOT Racist: Change my Mind

Trump referred to a Miss Universe who was Hispanic as "Miss Housekeeping."

Trump was talking to a Korean-American intelligence analyst, and he asked why she wasn't working on North Korea Policy.

Trump called Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas."

Once, Trump pointed to an attendee at a rally and said “Oh, look at my African-American over here. Look at him.”

Trump has called Mexicans "rapists," "drug lords," and "criminals."

Trump tried to implement a ban on all Muslims entering the United States.

Trump has retweeted many white nationalist tweets.

When he was trying to get black voters on his side, Trump said “You’re living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?”

Trump attacked NFL players who took a knee.

Trump implied that white supremacists were morally equivalent to the people resisting racism.

Trump said there are "some very fine people" among white supremacists.

I have looked at your cited article and have found no source they put to that claim.  If you could cite your sources that would be great.

Again there is no source listed so I have no idea where this was derived on.  If you could give separate sources for the ones where sources are not listed, that could give me a sense of context.

He did this as a joke because he thought she was lying about her heritage and refused to do a DNA test.  He turned out to be right.  Warren is 1/1024 native american.  So, this is in invalid example of racism.

This is completely great.  You should look at the context and the actual video the NYT provided.  Trump was applauding him saying "are you the greatest!" and tells a story about how great this black guy was because he slugged people who were wearing KKK hats.  Watch the video.  This actually is a perfect example of Trump not being racist.

Again, you need to look at context.  His statement was "They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

This is true.  There are many illegals smuggling drugs.  They indisputably bring crime.  Some are rapists.  But this last part is key "Some are good people."  He was not referring to all Mexicans as these things, he was referring to some ILLEGALS as these things.

Specifically, 5 countries in the middle east that had large Muslim and Islam populations.  He didn't want radical Islamic terrorist attacks happening, which Islam is known for, and he was trying to fix the border problem as there were too many people coming through.

Can you cite some of these tweets?  Even if he did, it depends what the tweet was about.  Could be completely unrelated to race.

He even cited a statistic.  "What do you have to lose?"  He is saying this because Obama, a black, hadn't fixed the problem, so Trump was saying to vote for him and you might just fix the problems.  What is racist about this?

Yes and what is your point?  How is this racist? He attacked them because he believed they were disrespecting the flag, country, and all of the military people.  Taking a knee had never had before, so it was quite a shock to Mr. President, as it was to many people.

Trump said “I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me."  You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”  There were different sides of that protest, and Trump clarified by saying these comments. 

And the "implied" is very subjective and came from a left-wing source in Vox.

Lynne Parton, a former party planner for the Trump org. said "as a daughter of a man born in Birmingham, Alabama, that there is no way she would work for an individual who was racist."  He has also hired black people throughout his life, he chose a black person, Omarosa, who also worked in the White House, to win the apprentice.  

I ask voters...Why would a racist do that?

Con used left wing biased sources in an opinion article from the NY Times, as well as a very left-wing source in Vox.  These biased sources can often de-contextualize the topic and make somewhat bias conclusions, or "implications" in their writing, some of which I have debunked in my arguments.

I challenge pro to provide more unbiased sourcing in the future, as cite sources that the NYT or Vox does not.

Trump referred to a Miss Universe who was Hispanic as "Miss Housekeeping."

Trump was talking to a Korean-American intelligence analyst, and he asked why she wasn't working on North Korea Policy.

Actually, it is not. He made that statement before she took the DNA test. Even so, calling someone Pocahontas is a clear sign of racism.

That's incorrect. The person who he was talking about was not the person in the audience. Calling someone "my" African-American is clearly racist because it refers to slavery and the owning of black people.

There are 10.7 million unauthorized immigrants in the US. 105,140 of those are convicted criminals. [1] That's literally less than 1% of the unauthorized immigrants. In fact, some of those charges include very minor things like traffic violations, so the number of actually dangerous criminals is much less. So, because of that, this is clearly a racist and prejudiced statement.

@whitegenocidetm – Trump retweeted a joke this user made about Jeb Bush

• @neilturner_ – This user also referenced white genocide in his profile. Trump retweeted this user 6 times.
  
• @keksec_org – This user was retweeted by the president 5 times. A list of their archived offensive tweets can be seen here
  
• Jayda Fransen – Fransen is a British user who is well known for making hoax videos of Muslims attacking whites
  

It doesn't matter if it is related to race or not. Retweeting anybody shows that you support what they stand for. They stand for white nationalism, and Trump retweeting them shows that he supports that as well.

That statistic isn't even correct. Trump never said that he was going to fix that problem, you're interpolating that into the statement to save it. This is another prejudiced statement against black people.

So instead of making unfounded claims, he should have researched it more to see why they took a knee. But he chose to make a statement about them without knowing anything about the situation or why they were doing that. That's racist and prejudiced.

Where is his proof that there were many other people in that group besides neo-Nazis and white nationalists? And where has he condemned neo-Nazis? And even if he has, that has nothing to do with 

So if a murderer goes around and kills 100 people in cold blood, but he helps an old lady across the street, suddenly he's acquitted? Racists can hire black people, it's not difficult. NASA did it, just watch Hidden Figures.

I was not taking the opinion from those articles, and I was not appealing to authority. All I was doing was providing a source for the actions Trump committed. This has nothing to do with the bias of either of those sources.

Left-wing sources are the only sources that will report on Trump's racism. Right-wing sources will not.

First off, this was an allegation, the title of your article said it.  Could be true, could be not true.  I generally stay away from allegations. 

Second, in your article it says Trump said "She's the worst we've ever had...She gained a massive amount of weight, and it was a real problem."  How does this have to do with race?  Just because she happens to be Hispanic that's what motivated the comments?  His reasons were completely unrelated to race, he said it looked bad for them because she gained a lot of weight.

"Trump turned to an adviser in the room and seemed to suggest her ethnicity should determine her career path, asking why the "pretty Korean lady" isn't negotiating with North Korea on his administration's behalf, the officials said."  So an allegation. 

These officials didn't want to reveal their identity and decided to remain anonymous, which in my opinion is a little suspicious.

And does Trump mean that the pretty Korean lady should be working for Kim Jong Un, supporting his regime, or does he mean he thinks she should be working on North Korea policy, fixing the problem of North Korea?

Trump said "Her mother says she has high cheekbones, that's her only evidence."  This suggests that Trump obviously didn't believe Pocahontas about her "heritage" because she had no evidence to show for it.

“Let's say I'm debating Pocahontas, right? I promise you I'll do this. I will take – you know those little kits they sell on television for $2. Learn your heritage,” Trump said. “And we will say, I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test so that it shows you're an Indian.”  Clearly this isn't racist because Trump offered her $1M.  All of this has to do with the validity of her claims, not because he is racist.

Again, out of context.  You just implied and jumped to the conclusion he was referring to owning black people and slavery, which is absurd.  Trump said "Oh look at my African-American over here, look at him!  Are you the greatest?  Do you know what I'm talking about? (In reference to the story he was telling about)"

This is the exact opposite of racist. He is praising these black guys for punching people with KKK hats and saying how great they are.  I think you know that this example is complete bogus.

In Texas in 2015, the rate of convictions per 100,000 illegal immigrants was 16 percent lower below that of native-born Americans.

It doesn't matter what percentage of illegals commit crimes, it matters they quantity and if they do it at all.

When in comparison to natives, illegals are less likely to commit crime, but crime is crime regardless.  105,000 criminals is a lot, and just adds to the crime problem in our country.  Like I said in my first argument, Trump is right to say some are criminals.

You also left out the drug smuggling part, and it is inevitable that a big part of illegal immigration is cartels smuggling drugs into America.  Trump is right to say some are smuggling drugs.  There is nothing racist about saying illegal immigration adds unneeded crime into our country.

Trump also said after that "But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting."  He also said "It’s coming from all over South and Latin America."  So this is not just remarked towards Mexicans.

The travel ban said "these countries remain deficient at this time with respect to their identity-management and information-sharing capabilities, protocols, and practices. In some cases, these countries also have a significant terrorist presence within their territory."  Keep in mind this was only a temporary ban and the Supreme Court even upheld it.  I don't think 5 people on the supreme court are racist.

Haven't heard about the other ones, so can you please cite the actual links to the tweets?

If I retweet Planned Parenthood saying "remember to wash your hand before you eat!" it doesn't mean I support abortion and the killing of babies.  If I retweet a socialist about something completely unrelated to socialism,that does not mean I support socialism.

This is the context surrounding the statement.  He was actually supporting Blacks and asking for their vote "if they want to see a better future."  Also, "look at how much Black communities have suffered under democratic control."  He was showing how he woukd be the guy for Blacks, and whether He was right about it or not, he wanted to give blacks a good life.

So no, I'm not interpolating the statement, you are the one who didn't do enough research to find the right context.

He knew they were doing it to protest perceived "racial injustice".  He did not agree with this though, and like I said, he thought, and most Americans think, that it was disrespectful to the National Anthem, our whole country, the flag, pride for our country, and to all the military people fighting for our freedom.  Many people believe that racial injustice is made up, and whether that is true or not, it is an opinion, and was Trump's opinion.  To attack a different opinion and call it racist is troubling.

There were people on both sides of the argument surrounding the Rob. E Lee statue, here is an article that explain 

In response to my argument in which I stated "Lynne Parton, a former party planner for the Trump org. said "as a daughter of a man born in Birmingham, Alabama, that there is no way she would work for an individual who was racist."  He has also hired black people throughout his life, he chose a black person, Omarosa, who also worked in the White House, to win the apprentice,"

The difference from a murderer is that they are convicted and it is proven.  These "racist" claims are up for debate and I have debunked pretty much all of them.

He also CHOSE a black person to win a million dollars out of all the contestants. 

In some cases you took those words, assumptions, and perceived conclusions from the articles and cited it as evidence for racism.

Maybe find a central source than, like I suggested saying "unbiased."

His unbelief in her heritage is no reason to start calling her "Pocahontas."  

First of all, Trump lied and never donated the $1 million dollars. However, that's irrelevant. Secondly, it is racist because identifying someone of a certain group as "one person" from that group is racist. That's like calling every black woman "Harriet Tubman."

As I said, the man in the audience was not the man in the story he told. And again, saying "my" to black people has always had that connotation, and what's more, he's again lumping the man into the group of "African-Americans" instead of referring to him as an individual.

If crime is crime regardless, why isn't Trump trying to stop babies from being born? As you showed just now, natives commit more crimes than immigrants. Why then is it ok for Trump to ignore the bigger source of crime and focus on the smaller one? The answer is it isn't.

My point is that he's treating the immigrants differently. That's racism.

80% of drug smugglers are American citizens. [1] That's the first strike. Most drugs enter through legal ports of entry, so stopping immigration won't stop drugs. [2] That's the second strike. Again, Trump doesn't try to stop birth, which is where MORE crime comes from, as you said. That's discrimination, which is racist. 

Strike three, he's out!

[In reference to travel ban] First of all, that has nothing to do with Trump. Second of all, where's your source for that?

[He quoted me saying "If I retweet Planned Parenthood saying "remember to wash your hand before you eat!" it doesn't mean I support abortion and the killing of babies.  If I retweet a socialist about something completely unrelated to socialism,that does not mean I support socialism."]

Speedrace then says in response "It does, actually. That's why you must watch who you follow. However, even if what you say is true, Trump has done it more than 10 times. If it was once or twice, sure, we might be able to let that slide, but more than 10 times shows a clear alliance between the values of the two parties. You don't affiliate with those who directly contrast you."

He was being prejudiced by saying how the effects he described affected all black people. That's racist to assume someone's economic or social position based on their race.

[In reference to the kneeling in NFL] Now you're using argumentum ad populum. Just because a view is popular doesn't mean it isn't racist. It could be my opinion that your face is ugly because you were born X race. That's my opinion, so does that mean I'm not being racist? No, I'm still being racist even though it's my opinion. Likewise, Trump's opinion can just as easily be racist.

[Char., VA statue protest incident] He said among the white supremacists, not among the people surrounding the statue. That's two completely different groups.

So she could either be getting paid off or she's just ignorant. Also, being racist doesn't mean that you can never treat the object of your racism nice.

You completely missed the point of that analogy. My point is that doing one good deed towards black people doesn't automatically excuse someone from being racist.

That's not proof of anything. Racists don't necessarily have to be racist every single second of their lives.

This particular one was an allegation and can not be proven.

She also won in 1996, which is over 23 years ago. I did say fairly recent evidence and that I would be pretty lenient, but this would not measure up to that.

If the allegations are true, it seemed like Trump disliked her a lot, and all together this would not be a fair and clear example of how Trump overall thinks Whites are better than Venezuelan's, because it was directed at one person.

Allegations are not provable. 

If you yourself say that he was directing it at the girl to fix north Korea's policy, what is racist to suggest the radical regime of N.K. should be fixed?  How does this prove Trump thinks whites are superior to Korean's?

Trump never lied because the tests proved she wasn't a Native American, and Trump made the condition it would be in debate.

The difference here is Trump could make fun of Pocahontas because she's not Indian, so therefore Pocahontas  is not in that "group" because she is a fake Indian.

I understand he wasn't the person in the story.  Trump asked him if he knew what he was talking about.  The context just does not back you up, I'm sorry.  Again, he called him "great" and was referencing a story in which he praised some black guys for slugging KKK members.  Everything about that context is anti-racist and has no weight to back up your claim that a pronoun my" could be racist.  He described the man as black because he didn't know his name or anything, and also because he was making a point he was black in reference to the story he was telling.  It would be the same as saying "look at my supporter" but instead he made it a point to announce he was black.  Whether it has that connotation or not, Trump was not using it in such a manner, and no context of the situation backs your claim up.

Are you referencing abortion?  I'm so confused when you brought that up. 

While the bigger source of crime is in the U.S., Trump does not have control over some states and cities laws.

He did pass a bi-partisan Criminal Justice Reform.

However, Trump has a lot of control over building a wall and stopping illegal immigrants from coming.  Trump is trying to stop crime, no matter what the percentage.  Treating illegal immigrants differently is not racist because they are illegal.  He is not treating them differently from the criminal aspect, however, as he didn't compare or say illegal crime more than crime in our country.  Solutions to smaller problems are still good if it reduces crime.

First, we are not talking about American citizens. 

Second, he just wants the wall in addition to all the technology and securing ports of entry and fixing the problem there as well.  It will stop the other percentage of drugs, just because something is a minority percentage does not mean it can be stopped.  Those stats also do not cover the many smugglers that have not been caught due to the open borders. 

Third, I have no idea what birth or babies has to do with any of this.  That's three strikes, you're out!

I don't know why you thought this would be clever 😂

What do you mean.  Trump did the travel ban.  If 5 people on the supreme court upheld the ban, are they also racist?  It's a serious question because they are backing up Trump's order, so please don't avoid it.

Some of those accounts have been banned so I do not know what they have said.  For the retweet of the Muslim guy, he could have been tweeting it to expose or fight back against Islamophobia. 

Plus, most of these you would have no idea they are White Supremacists by their names. 

I assume Trump does not look at all their tweets before retweeting it, but instead retweeting stuff that appeals to him, like the Jeb Bush one. 

It is not provable he is racist by these, especially because you use your opinion in this quote 

So my opponent is very bias in this statement, saying that if you repeat something said by someone that has nothing to do with their beliefs, it actually does mean you align with their beliefs.  This is confirmation bias used by my opponent on Trump.  So by my opponent's logic, since he believes Trump is racist, and I repeat something Trump says or in this case retweet it(which I have done) then I am a racist?! 

That does not add up though, because I am strictly not racist by a man of morality and Christianity. 

This argument by my opponent is flawed, and this opinion based matter on my opponent's side does not prove Trump is racist because he is implementing his own opinion into the matter(confirmation bias).  You also have not shown 10 tweets.

He never said all black people. 

He was referring to some black communities in general which have statistically suffered under Democratic control. 

Whether what he said about the economic status of some black communities is true or not, it is an opinion that many people share, and does not mean you think you are superior to blacks as people.  Once again by the nature of the context behind this statement, it does not prove Trump is racist.  Why would he offer a better future for blacks if he is racist, and why is the economy at record highs, unemployment rates, etc. for blacks?

You did not respond to the substance of what I said, and your opinion on this is very subjective.  Like I said, people didn't like they protested during the anthem, when they could have done it any other time where people didn't think it was disrespectful.  It has to do with the anthem and disrespecting multiple things.  I think it is disrespectful, so therefore you are calling me racist, when I am not.  It is a political issue that has both sides to it, not just an opinion that resorts to the race card.

You didn't read my source I cited (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html).  Specifically in the same press conference and answer, Trump said "Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group.  But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.  You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did.  You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”  In a follow up question he said “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” In a response directly after the protests happened, Trump said “Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”  Further more proof he is not racist.  Again, my opponent fails to have context of the situation.

Engaging with conspiracies that she is paid off is ridiculous and completely unprovable, as well as the throw-away attack of "she's just ignorant."  Both are anti-intellectual.4

You are actually missing my point, which is, you are assuming Trump is racist in this quote, but all of these racist claims you have made against Trump are debatable and not clear and cut racism.

If you are genuinely a White Supremacist and racist against a bunch of races, it wouldn't make sense to hand an extremely large sum of one million dollars to a race you discriminate against.

As I said, my opponent must provide reasonable evidence to dismiss the claims. He has not, so there is no reason to dismiss the claims.[Mrs. Housekeeping]

That's incorrect. My opponent specifically said "broadly recent years." This fits perfectly fine into that.

Again, you've given no reason not to believe the testimonies.

He was saying that North Koreans can only be useful for North Korean related things, unlike white's who can be useful for a range of things. That's racist.

First of all, you just admitted that calling a Native American "Pocahontas" is racist. Secondly, he made that joke BEFORE she took the DNA test, so as you just admitted, he was being racist.

First of all, "my" has and has always had that connotation. Secondly, the man he spoke to received loads of hate and negative comments because of this. [1] Again, that's racist.

I'm referencing the native populations. Why is it ok for Trump to ignore the criminals being born in our own country but to stop an even SMALLER amount of criminals from elsewhere? That's racist.

He doesn't have control over the border wall, yet he still chooses to fight for that instead of more pressing issues.

So why didn't he do a similar thing for immigrants instead of deporting them? That's racism right there.

So spending $7 billion on a very small amount of crime is better than investing that money to stop the bigger source of crime? Again, that's racist. He's using different policies for immigrants and their SMALLER amount of crime than he is for natives and their BIGGER amount of crime.

He focuses on immigrants and accusing them of their SMALLER amount of crimes and treats the Americans who commit MORE of the SAME crime differently. That's racist.

You're making an appeal to authority here. Just because it was upheld by the Supreme Court doesn't mean it was racist. The countries that were targeted are all 90%-99% Muslim. That's clearly racist, given that MORE terrorist attacks are carried out by Americans.

"Could have" is not an argument. Now you're just making random excuses.

Firstly, they were well-known to be white supremacists. Secondly, their bios on Twitter clearly showed how they were white supremacists. Even if Trump didn't know the FIRST time, he would've been told. However, he retweeted many of them MULTIPLE times in a row.

An assumption is a horrible argument. What are you basing this assumption off of? Why should we believe that this assumption is valid?

I never said that. What I said was that retweeting someone MULTIPLE times who has clear defined beliefs is aligning with those beliefs. You retweeting Trump shows that you align with his political and Republican beliefs.

He said "you." In the vernacular language, this means either one person or everyone in a particular group. He obviously wasn't talking to just one person, so this must mean ALL black people. Had he said "some" black people, it would have been fine, but he did not.

It is racist, because assuming someone's social status is low because of their skin color is racist. He would offer a better future for them because he wanted their vote. Where's your proof for these record highs and unemployment rates that you claim for black people?

It's not about whether it's disrespectful or not; it's the fact that Trump attacked them. That's racist.[NFL kneeling]

The quote literally says "But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides." On BOTH sides. That's calling white supremacists "fine people."

This was in response to my previous rebuttal, "You didn't read my source I cited (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html).  Specifically in the same press conference and answer, Trump said "Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group.  But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.  You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did.  You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”  In a follow up question he said “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” In a response directly after the protests happened, Trump said “Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”  Further more proof he is not racist.  Again, my opponent fails to have context of the situation."

I was not engaging in conspiracies. I was simply offering a possible solution.

This was in response to Lynne Parton, a former party planner for the Trump org. saying "as a daughter of a man born in Birmingham, Alabama, that there is no way she would work for an individual who was racist."

As I said, my opponent must provide reasonable evidence to dismiss the claims. He has not, so there is no reason to dismiss the claims.

"Trump turned to an adviser in the room and seemed to suggest her ethnicity should determine her career path, asking why the "pretty Korean lady" isn't negotiating with North Korea on his administration's behalf, the officials said."