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Conspiracy Theories Are Generally Unlikely

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#1
I don't know all the conspiracies out there, but this should summarize all of them pretty well.

1. Some entity, be it the government, scientists, aliens, etc., are hiding something.

2. Somehow, this powerful entity hasn't silenced all of the people trying to expose them on the Internet.

3. No other rival entities have tried to expose them.


Let's take a few examples.

Ex. A. 

Flat earth conspiracy is that for unfathomable reasons, NASA is purposely trying to hide the fact that the world is actually flat, not a globe. (Ignore the fact that
global models have existed for several hundred years longer than NASA. That's irrelevant.)
Somehow, every other astronomical society IN THE WORLD is also hiding this fact, even ones belonging to rival countries like China, who stand to benefit from discrediting the American government.
They're also redirecting airplanes THOUSANDS OF MILES just to cover this up, wasting millions of dollars worth of fuel.

Ex. B.
General government experiments. I'm not going to choose a specific one.
A government, usually the U.S., is conducting experiments or building something, etc., that is highly illegal and needs to be hidden from the world. (Note: governments have hidden projects before, such as the Manhattan Project, with no information leaks, or people postulating on a secret project. So the chances that since then, our government's secrecy levels have gone down is preposterous.) 
Despite the government's efforts, some guy on the Internet is laying it all bare for the world to see. He has "evidence" that proves it and the government never silences him.
Finally, let's assume that this Internet guy actually is someone capable of getting this information without advanced espionage equipment or skills. Yet, somehow, Russia hasn't decided to try and expose our government? Imagine the anarchy if the populace gets proof of their government's misdoings. The UN would be HIGHLY suspicious. A rival like Russia or China, especially back in the Cold War era, would stand to gain political power from exposure of this information.



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#2
firstly pro has knows almost nothing about the conspiracy theories just the ones the mainstream media has told him about aka flat earth and maybe vaccines. the mainstream media has turned conspiracy theory into a trigger word so if someone speaks that word they immediately think of what the mainstream media said about them and don't look into it. the main 5 conspiracy theory's are fema camps chemtrails agenda 21 pizziagate and the filth spot goes to either 911 vaccines and or 5g internet  i can not decide. i want to kick something out of the way flat earth is not even one of the main conspiracy theory but it has been talked about by the media to discredit the ones above.




firstly i just want to say how many of the conspiracy theory turned out to be true. for example Nazi Germany put fluoride in the drinking water of the Jews to make them more stupid and docile.conspiracy theorist then started claiming they do the same to us. this was proven true when the us government admitted they put fluoride in our water but claim they put it in there to help with dental hygiene.



chem trails and 911


chem trails
 the  theory talks about how the government is spraying us with heavy metals and neurotoxins via airplanes.


here some of the main points of it. the government has panted equipment that is used to spray chemicals/ aerosols on us. they also have patents for weather modification which supports the haarp conspiracy theory. I'm probably not going to go into harrp. there displayed publicly on google patents


so NASA has stated that they are just spraying bipolar medication on us which if you see my prescription medication is poison thread you know that that is a bad thing



also it is impossible to get herbs without heavy metals. i have tried to buy herbs without heavy metals like mercury lead aluminum. why is almost every square inch of this planet do you find mercury lead on the ground. how do farmers who merely grow ginzeg end up with mercury and lead in there soil in unless it is coming from the airplanes.

they want to block out the sun to prevent global warming

demolay and other satanic youth groups

people who are put in positions of power like politicians astronauts airplane pilots presidents movie stars all when to these satanic cults. disguised as youth camps and these camps help them get these jobs. aka by helping them get jobs i mean they put these puppets in these positions of power


beside the fact that the demolay has demon in the name. demolay is child youth group ages 9-21. after they graduate the youth group.they help them get jobs like an airplane pilot a politician Hollywood actors ceos astronauts musicians etc and other jobs of high places. it is believed all the presidents many of them have been proven to be in a masonic group.  but this specific group raised bill Clinton Walt Disney and several notable celebrity.

here some of there famous one

here are some of of them
 


911




so 911 conspiracy were do we begin




as you may know many tv shows predict many Tragedy before they happen this is called predictive programing. i will explain later why they do predictive programming. but lets just stick with what it is. predictive programing is the elites putting the tragedy there going to do in a movie or TV show. and then committing the act. for example the Simpson had Bart hold up a magazine with a big 9 next two the tin towers making it look like 911


there is an amazing video on it done by odd reality a guy with 250k subscribers


video about predictive programming.


they did not see the future. they knew that 911 was going to happen because they did it.




do you know what George bush  moments before 911. he was in a classroom when notified that 911 was happening. they were reading a book called the pet goat to the kids which is a reference to the satanic video i pet goat. and before the guy came in to quote on quote notify the president of 911. the teacher was having the kids sound out words those words were kite hit steal plane must.then the guy come sin and says 911 is happening.they were having the kids do a satanic ritual.




here is i pet goat 2 the satanic video. its a bit brain washy so be careful.


notice in satanic video i pet goat 2  it starts off with George bush is in a school classroom predicting future events or events they caused. moments before he was notified of 911 George bush was reading a book called my pet goat was in a classroom before he was notified of 911.


that's a creepy coincidence



theirs aborted babies in vaccines

and i could not think of a way to present fema camps without spamming you with videos on the subject but if your curious here.

and there many YouTube who cover conspiracy theory's


there Woodward tv he is the best

like amtv
he is very interest he sound and looks like markiplyer. i personally think of him as a conspiracy theory version of markiplyer but he act proper unlike him. he focuses on mostly the coming 2019 economic collapse and an emp attack


then there a call for an uprising. he focuses on pizziagate so pedophilia in Hollywood


then there is Lissa haven


then there the nephelim Smithsonian bones coverup guy.



Round 2
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#3
Nothing you said disproves me. In fact, it largely corroborates my points.

Every single one of your conspiracy theories was proposed by individuals or websites on the Internet. Huffington Post? Youtubers? Hardly criminal investigators. They aren't trained to figure these things out, nor do they have the resources.

Other governments have millions or billions of dollars devoted to espionage (Obviously in secret. It won't be a matter of public record. There are agencies dealing with foreign "intelligence" and the like). 
It seems highly suspicious that these foreign bodies haven't tried to discredit the U.S. by exposing their conspiracies. After all, they only stand to gain. Considering that you didn't address this or any of my other points at all, I'm going to invalidate your entire argument.

The reason I used mainstream conspiracy theories is that DebateArt is a spectator sport. I need my potential voters to know what I'm talking about. I'm not targeting any specific conspiracy theories, I'm just showing why it is unlikely for any of them to be true as a general rule.

Your entire argument was trying to show evidence that specific conspiracies are correct, but that is irrelevant. This time, try to come up with a rebuttal to an of my arguments.


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#4
99 percent of conspiracy theory's are not unfathomable like flat earth. like ou see wth the examples i have shown and will show,



con said
A government, usually the U.S., is conducting experiments or building something, etc., that is highly illegal and needs to be hidden from the world. (Note: governments have hidden projects before, such as the Manhattan Project, with no information leaks, or people postulating on a secret project. So the chances that since then, our government's secrecy levels have gone down is preposterous.) 


wrong as you can see from the conspiracy theory. they don't try to hide it they just make it legal to do so. but if they do try to hide it they cannot resist the urge to not make symbolism about it. for example the word pharmaceutical comes from the words phamakon and pharmakeai. pharmakon and pharmakeai means poisoning with drugs and sorcery and other weird stuff.


but if they don't need to hide it they will just come right on out and tell you. because people are brainwashed


barack Obama quote
ordinary men and woman are to small minded to govern there own affairs. that order and progress can only come when individuals surrender there rights to on all powerful sovereignty
you read that right Obama said that people are to small minded to govern there own affairs. that order and progress can only be achieved when individuals surrender there rights to an all powerful sovereignty.


911 was an inside job
and as we can see from 911 they put it in movies and games before they committed the deed. which is like committing a murder then writing about it in a book. they did not see the future they knew it would happen because they committed it


and the world health associations a snake and stick look for yourself on the top left of the world health association website

pharmakeai deception


the word pharmakeai means

  1. the use or the administering of drugs
  2. poisoning
  3. sorcery, magical arts, often found in connection with idolatry and fostered by it
  4. metaph. the deceptions and seductions of idolatry



the word pharmakon means

from pharmakon (a drug)
Definition
a poisoner, sorcerer, magician
NASB Translation





pharmakeai was originally in the bible but it was translated to sorcery in later versions in the bible
pharmakeai was used in this quote

Parallel Verses
And  the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the   voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all   in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy   sorceries were all nations deceived.

https://www.stillsmallvoicetriage.org/healing/is-taking-prescription-medicines-the-same-as-witchcraft-pharmakeia/
http://www.deliveranceministriesgroup.com/pharmakeia/



most   if not all prescription medication tons of side effects per pill and   these side effects include thoughts to kill yourself puking blood   yellow eyes and skin disturbing weight gain increased. i'm making the   case that the side effects are poison
the   prescription dug Prozac which treats depression causes yellow skin and   eyes' thoughts of suicide 'and 120+ different thing. this drug helps   with depression. it is an anti depressant. but this is the most  hypercritical thing on the planet one of the side effects of taking  this prozac is depression. prozac is an anti depression. so it is sold  to people because it helps with depression then one of the side effect  of taking the pill is depression. so does it help with depression or   does it cause depression. these are not small side effect either here  is a small list blindness' blue-yellow color blindness' 'purple or red  spots on the skin' cool pale skin' yellow skin and eyes' thoughts of  suicide' 'trouble with breathing' etc


why does a drug that helps with depression end up with a side effect that causes depression seems a little counter productive.
. there 120+ side effects let that sink in.



  1. Hives, itching, or skin rash

  2. inability to sit still

  3. restlessness

  1. Chills or fever

  2. joint or muscle pain




  1. Anxiety

  2. cold sweats

  3. confusion

  4. convulsions (seizures)

  5. cool pale skin

  6. diarrhea

  7. difficulty with concentration

  8. drowsiness

  9. dryness of the mouth

  10. excessive hunger

  11. fast or irregular heartbeat

  12. headache

  13. increased sweating

  14. increased thirst

  15. lack of energy

  16. mood or behavior changes

  17. overactive reflexes

  18. purple or red spots on the skin

  19. racing heartbeat

  20. shakiness or unsteady walk

  21. shivering or shaking

  22. talking, feeling, and acting with excitement and activity you cannot control

  23. trouble with breathing

  24. unusual or incomplete body or facial movements

  25. unusual tiredness or weakness



  1. Abdominal or stomach pain

  2. agitation

  3. back or leg pains

  4. bleeding gums

  5. blindness

  6. blistering, peeling, or loosening of the skin

  7. bloating

  8. blood in the urine or stools

  9. bloody, black or tarry stools

  10. blue-yellow color blindness

  11. blurred vision

  12. chest pain or discomfort

  13. clay-colored stools

  14. constipation

  15. continuing vomiting

  16. cough or dry cough

  17. dark urine

  18. decreased urine output

  19. decreased vision

  20. depression

  21. difficulty with breathing

  22. difficulty with swallowing

  23. dizziness or lightheadedness

  24. eye pain

  25. fainting

  26. fast, pounding, or irregular heartbeat or pulse

  27. general body swelling

  28. high fever

  29. hives, itching, puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue

  30. hostility

  31. indigestion

  32. irregular or slow heart rate

  33. irritability

  34. large, hive-like swelling on the face, eyelids, lips, tongue, throat, hands, legs, feet, or sex organs

  35. light-colored stools

  36. loss of appetite

  37. loss of bladder control

  38. muscle twitching

  39. nausea

  40. nightmares

  41. no blood pressure or pulse

  42. noisy breathing

  43. nosebleeds

  44. pain in the ankles or knees

  45. painful, red lumps under the skin, mostly on the legs

  46. pains in the stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back

  47. pinpoint red spots on the skin

  48. rapid weight gain

  49. red or irritated eyes

  50. red skin lesions, often with a purple center

  51. redness, tenderness, itching, burning, or peeling of the skin

  52. severe muscle stiffness

  53. severe sleepiness

  54. slurred speech

  55. sore throat

  56. sores, ulcers, or white spots on the lips or in the mouth

  57. stopping of heart

  58. sudden shortness of breath or troubled breathing

  59. sudden weakness in the arms or legs

  60. sudden, severe chest pain

  61. swelling of the face, ankles, or hands

  62. swollen or painful glands

  63. thoughts of killing oneself

  64. tightness in the chest

  65. tiredness

  66. twitching, twisting, or uncontrolled repetitive movements of the tongue, lips, face, arms, or legs

  67. unconsciousness

  68. unpleasant breath odor

  69. unusual bleeding or bruising

  70. unusual drowsiness, dullness, tiredness, weakness, or feeling of sluggishness

  71. unusually pale skin

  72. use of extreme physical or emotional force

  73. vomiting of blood

  74. yellow eyes or skin


  1. Decreased appetite



  1. Abnormal dreams

  2. breast enlargement or pain

  3. change in sense of taste

  4. changes in vision

  5. feeling of warmth or heat

  6. flushing or redness of the skin, especially on face and neck

  7. frequent urination

  8. hair loss

  9. increased appetite

  10. increased sensitivity of the skin to sunlight

  11. menstrual pain

  12. stomach cramps, gas, or pain

  13. unusual secretion of milk, in females

  14. weight loss

  15. yawning



  1. Cracks in the skin

  2. loss of heat from the body

  3. painful or prolonged erections of the penis

  4. scaly skin

  5. swelling of the breasts or breast soreness in both females and males

  6. unusual milk production





opdivo has 110 before i lost count lol the guy reacting to the commercial amazed at 30

as you may know there can be as many 1 million children misdiagnosed with adhd each year that's a million children who have the potential to suffer from side effects from medication like thoughts of suicide. because lets be real here there almost all drugs cause thoughts of suicide. and the other insane amounts of side effects


ps there is no way to get rid of a misdiagnosis you are branded for life



prescription drugs are the 4th leading cause of death each year


is it not a terrible coincidence that the word pharmaceutical was created off of the greek pharma words and which means poisoning with drugs and it just happens to be that pharmaceutical is the 4th leading cause of death


in fact over 100 thousands people die from taking there meds

and prescription drugs are more dangerous than illegal drugs


the world health association symbol is a snake on a stick




here has been a resent call back of the diabetes medications  farxiga and jardiance because the medicine caused flesh eating of  the genitals and people and had there limbs amputated. if  you or a loved one has taken farxiga and jardiance and had your foot and  hands amputated or  flesh eating of the genitals you may be entitled to a compensation.
i mean this is truly a prescription nightmare flesh eating of the genitals what the hell is that

farxiga has been proven not to work and worked just as good as a placebo
farxiga proven snake oil




BACK TO REBUTTAL



Every single one of your conspiracy theories was proposed by individuals or websites on the Internet. Huffington Post? Youtubers? Hardly criminal investigators. They aren't trained to figure these things out, nor do they have the resources.


you do not have to be  a rocket scientist to figure some of this stuff out.

you do not need to be smart. to think hay Obama saying this is bad. you just need to not be brainwashed.

Barack obama
ordinary men and woman are to small minded to govern there own affairs. that order and progress can only come when individuals surrender there rights to on all powerful sovereignty


conspiracy theorist are some of the smartest people on the planet.


its pretty hard to find satanic imaging in a progressive commercial. you must be smart to do something


con says
lobal models have existed for several hundred years longer than NASA. That's irrelevant.)
Somehow, every other astronomical society IN THE WORLD is also hiding this fact, even ones belonging to rival countries like China, who stand to benefit from discrediting the American government.
They're also redirecting airplanes THOUSANDS OF MILES just to cover this up, wasting millions of dollars worth of fuel.

Other governments have millions or billions of dollars devoted to espionage (Obviously in secret. It won't be a matter of public record. There are agencies dealing with foreign "intelligence" and the like). 
It seems highly suspicious that these foreign bodies haven't tried to discredit the U.S. by exposing their conspiracies. After all, they only stand to gain. Considering that you didn't address this or any of my other points at all, I'm going to invalidate your entire argument.
 

rebuttal
I'm not a flat earther and there very few theory that talk about foreign governments attacking or doing something bad to another government. they do spend million of dollars to keep that stuff secret which is why the only one about that stuff is the Russian trump conclusion conspiracy theory they liberals have which i do not follow. there are almost no conspiracy theory's which another government would be aware of another government evils and does not expose them even if they have initiative to.

con said
The reason I used mainstream conspiracy theories is that DebateArt is a spectator sport. I need my potential voters to know what I'm talking about. I'm not targeting any specific conspiracy theories, I'm just showing why it is unlikely for any of them to be true as a general rule.

rebuttal
those are the theory the mainstream media uses to discredit the one that are heavenly followed. the ones they do not tell you about are very likely to be true

the mainstream media picks it the ones they mock carefully. vaccines conspiracy theory does not have much evidence for the theory besides they contain aborted babies. but if you add pharmakeai to it. it becomes a bazillion times more likely. vaccines is one i believe in


theirs aborted babies in vaccines
.

i would rather be right then to win a debate, i do not care about the spector sport thing

con says
Your entire argument was trying to show evidence that specific conspiracies are correct, but that is irrelevant. This time, try to come up with a rebuttal to an of my arguments.

no these are the main conspiracy theory's and they are most likely true. the mainstream media has picked out 2 or three conspiracy theory's to pick on to discredit the majority of conspiracy theory's that im taking about. you seem to not know what those are so i am  showing them two you so your aware of the topic you are trying to debate. because you are only aware of the conspiracy theory s that the mainstream told you about and your debating a topic you know almost nothing about.


the theory s i have described are pretty likely to be true thus. the debate title is likely to be false


debate title
Conspiracy Theories Are Generally Unlikely


i spent the first round showing conspiracy theory's that are very likely to  be true and these are the main conspiracy theory's followed. and the 2 or three conspiracy theorys that the main stream meda uses should not be used to as an example to describe  the entire community. there are only a few picked out of the many conspiracy theory's

they are heavenly followed with between 200 thousand to 700 thousand subscribers alex jones had 2 million before hey silenced him



there Woodward tv he is the best

like amtv
he is very interest he sound and looks like markiplyer. i personally think of him as a conspiracy theory version of markiplyer but he act proper unlike him. he focuses on mostly the coming 2019 economic collapse and an emp attack


then there a call for an uprising. he focuses on pizziagate so pedophilia in Hollywood


then there is Lissa haven


then there the nephelim Smithsonian bones coverup guy.

Round 3
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K_Michael
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#5
con said
A government, usually the U.S., is conducting experiments or building something, etc., that is highly illegal and needs to be hidden from the world. (Note: governments have hidden projects before, such as the Manhattan Project, with no information leaks, or people postulating on a secret project. So the chances that since then, our government's secrecy levels have gone down is preposterous.) 
Um, you're Con. Please actually consider what you're writing before you publish it.

you do not have to be  a rocket scientist to figure some of this stuff out.
...
there are almost no conspiracy theory's which another government would be aware of another government evils
Exactly! Apparently, any average Joe can figure this out, but foreign governments with a vested interest? Nah! They're too stupid.

the mainstream media picks it the ones they mock carefully.
...
i spent the first round showing conspiracy theory's that are very likely to  be true
In other words, you can pick and choose which ones are valid because they have more evidence, but I and mainstream media can't?

alex jones had 2 million before hey silenced him
Who is "[t]hey"?

99 percent of conspiracy theory's are not unfathomable like flat earth.
Made up statistics. You have no grounding for this specific percentage, even if the gist, that most conspiracy theories make sense, is true.
It looks really good when conspiracy theorists make up statistics, doesn't it? (<--- sarcasm, if you couldn't tell. With a touch of irony.)
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con said
A government, usually the U.S., is conducting experiments or building something, etc., that is highly illegal and needs to be hidden from the world. (Note: governments have hidden projects before, such as the Manhattan Project, with no information leaks, or people postulating on a secret project. So the chances that since then, our government's secrecy levels have gone down is preposterous.) 
Um, you're Con. Please actually consider what you're writing before you publish it.

im use to being on the other side of the mistake i meant pro


here fixed

pro said
A government, usually the U.S., is conducting experiments or building something, etc., that is highly illegal and needs to be hidden from the world. (Note: governments have hidden projects before, such as the Manhattan Project, with no information leaks, or people postulating on a secret project. So the chances that since then, our government's secrecy levels have gone down is preposterous.) 


wrong as you can see from the conspiracy theory. they don't try to hide it they just make it legal to do so. but if they do try to hide it they cannot resist the urge to not make symbolism about it. for example the word pharmaceutical comes from the words phamakon and pharmakeai. pharmakon and pharmakeai means poisoning with drugs and sorcery and other weird stuff.


but if they don't need to hide it they will just come right on out and tell you. because people are brainwashed


barack Obama quote
ordinary men and woman are to small minded to govern there own affairs. that order and progress can only come when individuals surrender there rights to on all powerful sovereignty
you read that right Obama said that people are to small minded to govern there own affairs. that order and progress can only be achieved when individuals surrender there rights to an all powerful sovereignty.


911 was an inside job
and as we can see from 911 they put it in movies and games before they committed the deed. which is like committing a murder then writing about it in a book. they did not see the future they knew it would happen because they committed it


and the world health associations a snake and stick look for yourself on the top left of the world health association website




pro has used a couple of conspiracy like one or two to justified the entire group which just is not right he has no way shaped or form hown that any of the conspiracy theory's besides flat earth are not likely to be real


pro said

you do not have to be  a rocket scientist to figure some of this stuff out.
...
there are almost no conspiracy theory's which another government would be aware of another government evils
Exactly! Apparently, any average Joe can figure this out, but foreign governments with a vested interest? Nah! They're too stupid.

Rebuttal you cut out the last part

your taking it out of context



you do not have to be  a rocket scientist to figure some of this stuff out.

you do not need to be smart. to think hay Obama saying this is bad. you just need to not be brainwashed.

Barack Obama
ordinary men and woman are to small minded to govern there own affairs. that order and progress can only come when individuals surrender there rights to on all powerful sovereignty

when a government try's to do something with another government it mostly stays out of the public eye so not many conspiracy are created around them. but when it is done to the people the people usually get hurt by it and they follow the crumbs.

for example the water we drink people can test whats in there water which is probably how this one was proven true
the conspiracy theory turned out to be true. for example Nazi Germany put fluoride in the drinking water of the Jews to make them more stupid and docile.conspiracy theorist then started claiming they do the same to us. this was proven true when the us government admitted they put fluoride in our water but claim they put it in there to help with dental hygiene.




pro said
the mainstream media picks it the ones they mock carefully.
...
i spent the first round showing conspiracy theory's that are very likely to  be true
In other words, you can pick and choose which ones are valid because they have more evidence, but I and mainstream media can't?



pro conspiracy theory's have been around for years it was just around 6 years ago that the main stream media turned the word Illuminati into a trigger word and other stuff. its been a long time jeez i feel old


what do you believe that Alex Jones and his 2 million followers was talking about how the world was flat earth no he was talking about chemtrails fema camps pizzagate. so while he was talking about fema camps chemtrails these other thing. the mainstream media was doing its campaign against us and talking about flat earth and vaccines which again have aborted babies. plus there is pharmakeai.but beside that they were saying do not listen to conspiracy they are crazy see flat earth so people would ignore the other ones.



pro said


99 percent of conspiracy theory's are not unfathomable like flat earth.
Made up statistics. You have no grounding for this specific percentage, even if the gist, that most conspiracy theories make sense, is true.
It looks really good when conspiracy theorists make up statistics, doesn't it? (<--- sarcasm, if you couldn't tell. With a touch of irony.

Rebuttal
your trying to say all conspiracy are unfounded based upon 1 conspiracy theory. and i meant to put about in front of that



anyway pro has shown no reason why all conspiracy are not likely to be true instead he has focused on flat earth as not being true and saying if flat earth is not true every other conspiracy theory is not true. there is hard evidence for the conspiracy i have showcased today. i urge the con point. con has only tried to prove flat earth wrong which i agree with but that is only one of many conspiracy and does not speak for the rest of them. and i must urge pro to get brainwashed