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Topic
#715
The F-22 Is Better Than The F-35
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After 2 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...
RationalMadman
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- 5
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- Three days
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- Two weeks
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
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Round 1
Hello, RM.
Well in my opinion, the F-22 Raptor is better and more advanced technologically than the F-35 Lightning. And according to my previous research, the F-22 is equivalent in power to five F-15 Eagles. However, the F-35 cannot even match a F-16.
Well in my opinion, the F-22 Raptor is better and more advanced technologically than the F-35 Lightning.
In my opinion that makes it worse, doesn't matter and/or is a lie.
the F-22 is equivalent in power to five F-15 Eagles.However, the F-35 cannot even match a F-16.
I think you screwed up a bit here. The former statement has nothing to do with the latter one.
F-35 is super relevant, making latest News headlines and something Russia and China want to get hold of, F-22 is yesterday's News. This makes it extinct in superiority as it's no longer even in the discussion other than an old-school fighter jet from a time when fighting by planes was the way wars were fought.
F-35 had a super relevant crash in Japan: https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pacific/2019/04/12/f-35a-crash-japans-defense-minister-addresses-security-concerns-procurement-plans/
This makes it better. It's so relevant and better at crashing.
Round 2
Forfeited
Round 3
Forfeited
Round 4
Yes, but the F-35 cannot match the F-22 as a air superiority fighter, as proven by /nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/f-22-vs-f-35-which-stealth-fighter-wins-shootout-41652. militarymachine.com/f-22-raptor-vs-f-35-lightning-ii/also proves that the Raptor has more advantages than the Lightning II. From another perspective, the Lightning II was designed as a multi-role combat aircraft, however it cannot even match a much older jet, so it can be considered, to some degree, as a failure.
More sites:
www.defenseone.com/business/2018/08/lockheed-pitching-f-22f-35-hybrid-us-air-force/150943/(I put up this site to show proof that the F-22 is upgrading)
www.businessinsider.sg/f-35-vs-f-15-dogfights-2018-3/?r=US&IR=T(This site is to show how bad a military machine the F-35 can sometimes be)
If F-22 is upgrading, that would mean it's a different vehicle to the one being debated here. The 'is' in the resolution was at the time of making it, not what it will be post-debate creation.
F-22 needs upgrading because it's so bad. F-35 isn't designed to fight, so you're comparing them in different leagues.
Neither are actually 'better' when we consider the difference purposes. F-35 can cruise and comfortably fly in ways F-22 can't and this is because it's nto designed to fight in the same brutally fast way but to survey more.
As for 'improving and upgrading' the F-22 is near obsolete with the F-35 having far more upgrades and national backing from Israel and a couple of other nations.
So, even in that regard, you lose.
Round 5
Forfeited
Forfeited
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RFD: I absolutely agree with Ramshutu. I would also like to say that I think Con screwed up a bit at the better at crashing part.
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How did you manage to publish nothing at all?
Better at crashing?! Are you feeling alright? You need a doctor?
Forgive me if I put up too many sites.
I like this topic because it has to do with public policy and is a subject I've never really researched. I bet the questions involved in fighter jet design and engineering are fascinating. If I was debating this, however, I'd be tempted to go after the weakness of "better than." Better for who? Not better for ISIS fighters or Yemeni villagers. And aren't we comparing apples and oranges? The F-35 is an air/ground attack vehicle, the F-22 is an air/air attack vehicle. The F-22 is designed to beat a plane like the F-35.
A plane with 2005 avionics vs one with mid to late 2010s avionics?