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Communism would be the solution for our world

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Round 1
Pro
#1
First of all thank you to debate with me and second of all I want that this debate look more like a polite exchange of positions and opinions.
Starting off with the most effective thing that I think about communism is that the working class without the control imposed by the bourgeoisie would be more free and can drastically change our conception of power.
As Lenin said we need the 'Working Class Dictatorship ' and I'm sure, talking to others, that he meant the Dictatorship as the same Dictatorship imposed by the bourgeoisie from the Industrial revolution so it isn't actually dictatorship in the traditional way but more like a phase that is necessary to the radical change.
In spite of Lenin said about the working class dictatorship I think that the opinion of all, like Plato said in his Republic, should be something that belongs to the people and that goes beyond the centralised power from a restricted party or even worst, the centralised power of one.
Like Trotsky said also, if we want the revolution it shouldn't start only from one state but from a very large group that can do the radical change.
At the moment this is my position if you want you're totally free to ask, to do motions against my position and then in the second round I will effectively start to expose my reasons why I think that communism is the solution.
Always thank you to had accepted this debate.

Con
#2
It is very difficult to have a one size fits all solutions as there are a host of unique issues.

Let alone affirming Communism as that. If we're talking about economics, then it for sure wouldn't be a solution for the world but a proposed unnecessary alternative to commerce, economics and the use of resources.

The reason why it is an alternative not a solution is due to assessing the situation of economics now. It's not broke so it doesn't necessitate a fix.

The reality of capitalism is not a broken system. 

We're talking about solutions so let's allow a fix or solution to those that don't have success with capitalism.

Those whom fail at it over and over in comparison to those that get it right, let's figure what you're doing wrong or have gone wrong .

Surely we have individuals that are successful , have gotten right. Perhaps what we need or what is necessary is education. 

Don't run from education, hard work and difficulty.

Become educated on business, supply and demand, the market, the exchange of goods(resources) and services. 

Learn agriculture, gardening, vegetation and horticulture methods. 

This is capitalizing on the need and benefiting from it. You fail or feel intimidated to take hold of free enterprise and triumph as an entrepreneur.

If you desire not to hire employees, become one and provide for yourself that way. Either path is applicable and works without restructuring to socialism and or communism.

Free enterprise and private property are not broken elements that need to be repaired.

Today as proven by social media is the most opportunistic of times that an individual can take advantage of free enterprise and capitalize on his or her interests/skills without sharing in a commune structured distributive spread of assets.

I will start with listing the downsides of this thing called communism taken from coursehero.com titled 
COMMUNISM.docx - List of the Disadvantages of Communism.

List of the Disadvantages of Communism

1. The government owns everything, including property, businesses, and production means.
The most significant disadvantage of communism is the fact that it eliminates the free market from domestic society. That means there are no laws of supply and demand available to set the prices for consumers to pay. This issue causes planners to lose the feedback they need to understand what is necessary for the production cycle and what could use an upgrade. There is no up-to-date information about what the needs of the consumers happen to be either. Because of this disadvantage, it is not unusual for the government to produce too much of one item and too little of another. Surpluses and shortages in critical need areas can be strong enough at times that government disruptions can occur.

2. There is no freedom of speech in the typical communist government.
The needs of the government are indistinguishable from the best interests of society in a communist system, which means the idea of individual freedoms is incompatible with the ideology being practiced. The only reason to suppress this right is to keep those who are in power from losing it, which is why there are restrictions made on individual expressions, journalistic thought, and other challenges to the actions of the government. Even Karl Marx, who is often vilified because of his ideas involving socialism, argued in favor for the people to have a right of expression. He even defended the free press in such a society, stating that censoring these ideas would lead to the implementation of a class he referred to as the bourgeois elite. Marx said that censorship is a tool that the powerful always use to oppress the powerless.

3. Central planning is challenging to achieve in a communist government.
Although the government can mobilize significant resources for almost any need at a moment’s notice through the structures of communism, there is a difference between the ability to centrally plan and its overall implementation. Because a free market doesn’t exist under this structure, the citizens will setup black markets to help them trade the items they want or need that are not part of the planner’s provisions. This disadvantage destroys the trust that is found in the pure vision of communism. The goal is to give people what they need according to who they are as individuals. Communism looks at each person as a resource, provides them a common set of basic essentials, and then expects compliance under the threat of further freedom restrictions.

4. Efficiency and productivity are difficult since there is little motive for workers.
There is never a need to have entrepreneurs operating in a communist space because the government maintains control of everything. That means the production cycles operate just well enough to produce what is needed for domestic consumption and the limited export market that may be available.
Because innovation is what pushes an economy forward, shepherded by the development made possible by entrepreneurs who wish to experience success, the living situation in a country practicing this form of government can be exceptionally stifling.

5. The needs of the consumer are not taken into consideration in a communist government.
There is a reason why only five active governments in the world today practice communism. North Korea, China, Laos, Cuba, and Vietnam are transitioning from socialism and are not true forms of this government structure any more either. Even modern communism must rely on the concepts of a mixed economy so that it can survive, so the state chooses to own components of supply while encouraging free-market demand. China began moving to a mixed economy as early as the 1970s. It phased out the collective farms, allowing private businesses to take over some industries. Even though the nation still follows a specific five-year economic point and its policies favor state-owned enterprises, it has grown to become the largest economy in the world.

5. The needs of the consumer are not taken into consideration in a communist government.
There is a reason why only five active governments in the world today practice communism. North Korea, China, Laos, Cuba, and Vietnam are transitioning from socialism and are not true forms of this government structure any more either. Even modern communism must rely on the concepts of a mixed economy so that it can survive, so the state chooses to own components of supply while encouraging free-market demand. China began moving to a mixed economy as early as the 1970s. It phased out the collective farms, allowing private businesses to take over some industries. Even though the nation still follows a specific five-year economic point and its policies favor state-owned enterprises, it has grown to become the largest economy in the world.

6. Diverse populations may be challenging to govern with their need for different rules.
Cuba might be a small island, but it has a significant area of cultural diversity that is unique to the rest of the world. Even though it became a communist nation in 1960 when Castro proclaimed it to be the ruling party to encourage the Soviet Union to provide economic support in return for access to the United States, it has struggled to provide each sector with the needs that are necessary for even an average quality of life. It took over 50 years for the Cuban government to recognize that different people had unique needs. In 2011, residents could take advantage of new economic reforms to purchase vehicles, cell phones, and appliances. Now one set of workers can sell items to another set, like farmers selling their crops to a hotel .


7. Internal balances for supply and demand may be impossible to achieve.
Communism struggles to find the right balance between supply and demand because it has no motivation to do so. The government only needs to produce items based on what it believes the population needs to continue working. In North Korea, that means supplying workers with drugs that make them forget they are hungry instead of giving them actual food to eat. Supply and demand tend to focus on the export market only. This process allows the government to bring in currency that it can use on the global stage to reinforce its own importance domestically. That places further pressure on the general population to listen to production mandates since the consequences for disobedience can be quite high.

8. There are strict rules in place that govern the structure of a classless society.
Not only does communism control the means of production in society, but it also places strict regulations on businesses that operate in the market so that there is a lack of class structure within the population. The same amount of funding is allocated to each organization, regardless of their industry, and each worker receives the same reward. That means farmers are going to receive the same compensation as an administrative worker, which can cause problems in some societal segments since the work can be more demanding. This disadvantage can cause high levels of emotional unrest for a variety of reasons. You never receive recognition for your work because this would set you apart from the rest of the society, so there is an expectation to be productive and remain that way for basic survival.

9. It is a government structure that comes with high levels of official abuse.
Because ownership in a communist government lies with the state instead of in private hands, there is a higher risk of abuse for monetary purposes, power and control, or to pursue a personal agenda. The people at the highest levels of government are the ones who control the resources, which means they can decide in an instant if someone is “worthy” or not of receiving something. Each household is always at the mercy of the government and its potentially ever- changing views on what they deem to be acceptable behavior.

10. Communism takes a step backward on industrial evolution.
Most of the jobs in a communist country are tied to agriculture in one way or another because there is a significant need to provide basic food needs to each person. Without nutrition, there is no society that can exist. 

Due to character limitation I'll start with these points to introduce my stance and expound next round.

Communism in nature or in and of itself IS the solution according to the opposing side 

My opposing position is that it in and of itself, it is not.

Why? The opposing side can and will present positives for communism, right.

After they're presented, it will nullify as communism being the solution.




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