Can Opposite-sex platonic friendships exist?
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First of all, the resolution of can something exist is way too open ended!
https://debate.miraheze.org/wiki/Resolution
"rarely exists" is an immediate accidental concession.
"may have always contained some dormant romantic interest" feels like it is failing the falsifiability standard.
https://debate.miraheze.org/wiki/Falsifiability
Pro basically opening with a definition to make the debate not so open ended, was a wise move.
Pro catching that the resolution calls for existence rather than difficulty of them staying platonic, is one I don't foresee con recovering from. Con does seem to push back catching the word "can" in pro's statements, which without the later everyday examples would be quite problematic.
"A devoted Christianhusband or pastor is more likely to have platonic relations, even intimateones, with the young women of his church compared to an unmarried college fratboy and the girls on" this was well played, showing these things exist on a spectrum or scale. Con's pushback that religious leaders have failed from time to time, would have hit a lot harder had he not just outlined the difference between exceptions and the norm.
At the end it felt like con was trying to move the goalposts with talk about how even if they exist they aren't true scotsmen... When you need to grasp at those straws, it implies a case which has already been lost (or at the very least severe weakness)
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This pretty solidly goes to pro. I don't like that he tried to lean on any existence, but at the same time he well exceeded the occasional exception con spoke against with examples I've seen very often in my life.
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McMieky, there's a good chunk of advice above on setups. Your R2 shows a lot of depth, but the setup ruined you. You may wish to draft an outline for R1 before posting future debates, and then modify the resolution to adhere to what your arguments will be.
Redeemed, for some reason the text editor here has problems when copy/pasting from Word. If you copy paste it into something else like Google Docs, then copy/paste again, your text won't have those missing characters.
The resolution states that opposite-sex platonic friendships cannot exist, but by Con's second line it's clear he's arguing for rarity, not nonexistence. Since both debaters don't agree to change the resolution to something else, and since Pro emphasizes exceptions, I vote Pro. This debate was a bit like if Con was a monotheist trying to defend atheism by saying that there's only one god, so it doesn't count. Those are two different positions. In addition to the resolution just being too bold of a claim, I wasn't convinced that Con's examples were more common. Neither side cited any sources, so what makes Pro's examples more rare than Con's examples?
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Yes, I will cast another vote on this one.
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Will you be casting another vote? I understand what you mean by one can almost tell when something is ai generated. Truely however, one cannot know for sure.
I've deleted Casey's vote per their request.
Fair enough I suppose. I'll redo my vote.
I used ai to help me with my info and format for my work, not to the extent that I just copy and pasted it, I used multiple different ai's to find my information but most of the idea's I used in the debate where from me. I give the ai's my ideas and they tell me how to work off from it but thats only sometime.
I haven't used them much before, but everything about Con's R1 struck me as being very GPT-esque. I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but AI writing has a certain style that's generally pretty easy to identify. I used the detectors as evidence for my claim and to ensure that I wasn't just jumping to conclusions.
To what extent did you use AI, exactly? I may rescind my vote.
Random question, but how accurate have you found those ai detectors to be? I only ask because I have found in the past that many ai detectors have left fully ai statements unmarked, and full human statements marked as ai generated. I also would like to know for future reference because I have had several friends of mine given failing grades as a result of ai detectors giving false results.
I used ai to help me with my work but i type all of that out myself most of the ideas came from me.
AI Detectors:
https://quillbot.com/ai-content-detector
https://gptzero.me/
https://copyleaks.com/ai-content-detector
That second line… oh well, I’ll give this a full read later.
That is a good question. The scenario you mentioned would certainly be one of many examples in which the friendship would indeed appear to be platonic. Considering this, however, the very spirit of the debate requires a male and female who are at the very least, able to be attracted to one another.
What if female and male are both gay?