Instigator / Con
8
1500
rating
12
debates
45.83%
won
Topic
#5912

Can Opposite-sex platonic friendships exist?

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
6
Better sources
4
4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
2
2

After 2 votes and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

Redeemed
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
Twelve hours
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
14
1500
rating
2
debates
100.0%
won
Description

No information

Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

First of all, the resolution of can something exist is way too open ended!
https://debate.miraheze.org/wiki/Resolution

"rarely exists" is an immediate accidental concession.

"may have always contained some dormant romantic interest" feels like it is failing the falsifiability standard.
https://debate.miraheze.org/wiki/Falsifiability

Pro basically opening with a definition to make the debate not so open ended, was a wise move.

Pro catching that the resolution calls for existence rather than difficulty of them staying platonic, is one I don't foresee con recovering from. Con does seem to push back catching the word "can" in pro's statements, which without the later everyday examples would be quite problematic.

"A devoted Christianhusband or pastor is more likely to have platonic relations, even intimateones, with the young women of his church compared to an unmarried college fratboy and the girls on" this was well played, showing these things exist on a spectrum or scale. Con's pushback that religious leaders have failed from time to time, would have hit a lot harder had he not just outlined the difference between exceptions and the norm.

At the end it felt like con was trying to move the goalposts with talk about how even if they exist they aren't true scotsmen... When you need to grasp at those straws, it implies a case which has already been lost (or at the very least severe weakness)

...

This pretty solidly goes to pro. I don't like that he tried to lean on any existence, but at the same time he well exceeded the occasional exception con spoke against with examples I've seen very often in my life.

...

McMieky, there's a good chunk of advice above on setups. Your R2 shows a lot of depth, but the setup ruined you. You may wish to draft an outline for R1 before posting future debates, and then modify the resolution to adhere to what your arguments will be.

Redeemed, for some reason the text editor here has problems when copy/pasting from Word. If you copy paste it into something else like Google Docs, then copy/paste again, your text won't have those missing characters.

Criterion
Con
Tie
Pro
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

The resolution states that opposite-sex platonic friendships cannot exist, but by Con's second line it's clear he's arguing for rarity, not nonexistence. Since both debaters don't agree to change the resolution to something else, and since Pro emphasizes exceptions, I vote Pro. This debate was a bit like if Con was a monotheist trying to defend atheism by saying that there's only one god, so it doesn't count. Those are two different positions. In addition to the resolution just being too bold of a claim, I wasn't convinced that Con's examples were more common. Neither side cited any sources, so what makes Pro's examples more rare than Con's examples?