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LomEl

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#5890

Reincarnation and Karma its bullshit

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Best.Korea

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Karma reincarnation

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Publication date: 01.07.2025 05:00PM
Last updated date: 01.15.2025 01:47PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 5
Time for argument: Two days
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

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Best.Korea

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For Hindus and Buddhists who believe in karma and reincarnation. Let's assume that you had a hundred lives in the past with their present and will have a hundred lives in the future also with their present, and so the question: Why is your present today, although it could have been any of these past and future, why are the other lives simply skipped and not this one? And if your lives are skipped just like that, then this devalues the concept of karma. Thus, reincarnation and karma have neither reason nor meaning! And the only thing that remains is that Allah has predetermined this life for you, and allows you to go through pain and pleasure to test you, and there is nothing accidental in this world.

Round 1

LomEl

01.08.2025 12:39AM

Con

Best.Korea

01.08.2025 12:54AM

Pro

Isnt it supposed to make people do better actions so their future lives are better, as well as help understand why good and bad situations happen?

Round 2

LomEl

01.08.2025 07:37AM

Con

Listen to what your present is saying now about the fact that the present of other lives has simply been skipped, although in theory you should have gotten a good or bad life depending on your karma, but skipping lives like this simply devalues this concept, because you can say, we see that many bastards live a good life, but some try to explain this by saying that after death they will be reborn as someone bad with a bad life, a rat, a beetle, etc., but skipping lives devalues everything, and what difference does it make to me, even if I behave badly, my next life can be simply skipped as well, and if I behave well, then this life of mine can be skipped too. And in general, for what reason are all other lives skipped and not this one? And the only explanation for this is that reincarnation is not valid, you do not move through lives and get either a good or a bad life, no, you go through a test once and Allah predetermines this life for you, allowing you to go through a test of pain and pleasure, and you fulfill his commandments, after which you will either be forever in Hell or forever in Paradise.

Best.Korea

01.08.2025 09:23AM

Pro

And in general, for what reason are all other lives skipped and not this one?

Not sure where did you read that all other lives are "skipped".

Round 3

LomEl

01.08.2025 10:18AM

Con

And this is Best of Korea, Korea is the land of idiots? If you still haven't figured out why all the other lives are simply skipped, then I won't repeat myself. By the way, according to the idea of reincarnation, it turns out that some people today can also have their lives skipped so that they won't feel anything even if you kill them

Best.Korea

01.08.2025 10:41AM

Pro

By the way, according to the idea of reincarnation, it turns out that some people today can also have their lives skipped so that they won't feel anything even if you kill them

Now show us evidence for all the lives being skipped.

Round 4

LomEl

01.08.2025 12:36PM

Con

There are no experts here that I could cite, because no one has spoken about this before me, that’s why it’s funny to me that for thousands of years people couldn’t understand what was lying on the surface, I don’t know how it is for you, many people to whom I spoke also didn’t understand, no matter how many times I repeated it, whether you understand it or not depends only on you.

How can you not understand this? Let me repeat it again: According to reincarnation, we must have had dozens or even more lives with our present the same as we have now, and in the future we must also have lives with our present, and so the question is: What is the reason that your present life is exactly this life, although it could have been any of these past and future ones with their presents, because we had to live them the same way we live this life, it turns out that we simply skip past lives and leave future ones and for some reason move on to our present life, so what is the reason that your present life is exactly today's life? And this has neither reason nor meaning from the point of view of karma and reincarnation, on the contrary, it destroys and devalues this concept. And the only thing that remains is that this life is your only one and is predetermined for you by Allah, and after it there are no further lives, but there is only eternal life, and it depends on you how you spend it, depending on whether you pass the test through pain and pleasure and keep the commandments of Allah, and the judgment upon you on the Day of Judgment

Best.Korea

01.08.2025 01:04PM

Pro

Skipping means something didnt even happen, so since past lives happened and future ones will happen, they werent skipped.

Round 5

LomEl

01.08.2025 01:40PM

Con

Oh my God. It doesn't matter if you don't live them then you just skip them, you're really stupid, tell me did you register on this site as soon as you were born?

Okay people tell me what you think about this in the comments

Best.Korea

01.08.2025 01:47PM

Pro

#10

tell me did you register on this site as soon as you were born?

I didnt, because the site's rules dont allow people under the age of 13.

Best.Korea

01.08.2025 07:21PM

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@LomEl

I am sorry for being stupid, but you have to understand that I didnt choose to be stupid. I was born stupid.

LomEl

01.08.2025 07:13PM

You people just stupid as faq, i dont mean dying early i said skiping! You dont even expirience this lives!

Best.Korea

01.08.2025 12:11PM

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@Lemming

He argues that you had a hundred lives but that you also skipped them (didnt have them).

Lemming

01.08.2025 10:22AM

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@LomEl

Round 3,
Can't say I know what you mean by skipped either.

It might help your argument if you provided sources or excerpts for your claims.

Savant

01.08.2025 02:56AM

Arguments (10)
Comments (1)
Votes (0)

Very compelling case.

Best.Korea

01.07.2025 05:21PM

Small people need fairy tales.

Lemming

01.08.2025 03:31PM

Criterion

Con

Tie

Pro

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Con insulted Pro. Conduct to Pro.
Both sides lacked sources, but Con was making a lot of claims of 'why they did not care for reincarnation or karma. Eh, tie.
Both sides arguments were 'readable, though I think Cons were lacking in explanation. Legibility Tie.

Pro argument of our lives supposing to be about experiencing/discovering, trying to do better, cause and effect of good and bad actions.
Is 'understandable, though Pro didn't really offer strong 'evidence.

Cons argument seemed oddly focused on the concept of skipping,
And did not even explain too well what they 'meant by skipping.
My 'guess is they mean people who die early, but going by the vague concept of reincarnation, I'd suppose they might still have some bad karma, so even if one life is short, dying early and skipping to the next, still going to have that bad karma, maybe bad experiences.

Not that I 'believe in reincarnation or karma, other than possibly the theory of energy transforming and not dying. As well as theory of cause and effect, though ends don't 'always end up as one might expect.

Anyway, Pros arguments were clear, while Con focused on skipping lives, and did not explain their view of skipping well. In my view.