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Topic
#5878
The Bible is not corrupted according to the Qur'an
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- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 5
- Time for argument
- Two weeks
- Max argument characters
- 30,000
- Voting period
- Two months
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
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Description
In this debate it will be up to Pro to affirm:
That the Qur'an doesn't say the Bible is corrupted.
It will be up to Con to negate:
That the Qur'an doesn't say the Bible is corrupted.
Round 1
Forfeited
hmmm, what a shame, I was truly interested in hearing your side. I believe you have somethings going on in life, it happens. Problem is, I don't know.....What should I do now. Usually, I am the con, I should respond to your claims, but there is none around. I guess, for the sake fact of not just writing an empty word, I shall start by responding to one common verse that supposedly support your side, just so we can come straight to the point when you come:
1- Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:46-47):
“And We sent, following in their footsteps, Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming that which came before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it in the Torah as guidance and instruction for the righteous. And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein.”
so, let's start with this one, as far as I understand, Christens believe this verse confirms the divinity of the bible by exclusively telling them to judge by it. There are a lot of problems in this reasoning, but for the sake the debate's content, I am only going to address the bible in my claims, not the Torah (yes I know, old testament and stuff, but as far as I am concerned, the new testament and the old testament are connected and inseparable, proving one doesn't work simply disqualifies the entire bible....I guess at least). so, let us analyse the problems:
1-gospel, not gospels:
the Quran is clear, the Injil (gospel) is one book, no collections, no human testimonies. the new testament can't be the gospel referred to in the verse because simply it isn't one book by one author(the bare minimum). the new testament is divided onto 4 aspects each having a different author. in some cases, events are only supported (I mean written) by 1 author. sometimes, details may differ between the anonymous authors of the bible.
2- divinity (requirements):
In Islam, you can't just call any book divine, there are requirements. The one we are interested in here is the source. In Islam, for a book to be qualified as divine, it needs two requirements:
a- every word of that book must originate from Allah
b - it needs to have been delivered by a prophet ( at least, a prophet must testify to the existence of this verse or book)
now, you may argue as you please that the new testament was made by the writers at the time of Isa(Jesus) , but "a" already disproves this point, the gospels of the new testament were written by human hands, they were written in their style, they did not originate from Allah. In fact, this alone proves the new testament is not fully from Allah (I count that what Isa was said to have said may have some truth) meaning it was corrupted.
3-fvf the meaning of the verse:
for this one, I'd like an example, in Morocco, a part of the population are Jewish, they are native to the land. you see, these people live in a Muslim country, under this light, one may assume they will have trouble with intimate businesses because the laws of the country are derived from Islamic teachings. But that is not the case, the Jewish population have their own courts, any disputes between them are solved by their religious laws, marriage, divorce....Are settled in their courts. Why am I suddenly saying this? Well, it's because this is one of the meanings behind this verse. Muslims won't force you into their religion, they won't even force you to use their laws in your daily life. you can use the laws Allah revealed in your religion. Where does this change? well, in broader terms; wars, disputes between communities, civil uprising....for these things, 5:48 comes into play, asserting the Quran as the more dominant and the one to be chosen. This is not the Quran confirming the bible to be true, this is simply it telling you that the people of the book wouldn't be forced to follow the Quran rulings.
4- "by what Allah has revealed therein":
this is the final point I'll discuss, but....It's the problematic one. You see, the verse was clear, the people of the Gospel should judge "by what Allah has revealed therein", the question is, what did Allah truly reveal in the gospel? this point brings the circular reasoning of the argument, christens need to follow what Allah revealed in the bible, to do that the christens need to know what Allah revealed in the bible, bringing us back to the question, is the bible corrupted? Even if 90% of the bible is uncorrupted, you can never know.
this isn't much, and if you weren't thinking of using this verse, pretend this answer didn't exist, I just didn't want to leave this round empty.
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well, what to do now, he forfeited
I don't remember blocking but it's unblocked
Np bro, it's alright, but it seems the guy is not going to post any argument as he was online 4 days ago. But let's see he may come.
I am blocked check, I do not know why.
Well it seems these guys are not going to debate it. But probably they would ff it.
I don't think I blocked either of you and nobody offered any rebuttals
It is a capitol a i not an L in my name if that helps
......My apologies....That would be me....
Yes, but someone else took.
what a shame, I truly wanted to correct her misunderstanding, now I feel bad I referred to her as a man! sorry for that, my assumption was wrong. but brother, were you planning to join this debate?
She probably blocked you as well. Otherwise she was active 3 hours ago.
I don't think he is active, he confused me as well, it's not nice to drop a comment and go, especially of like this one
Wylted
Shut up, what are you talking about?
Do not jerk off here, just let me know, and I will debate with you.
I am.....Confused. Much more about your last comment, but isn't that moses who demanded that in numbers 31: 17-18? no malice intentions, I am just confused
Reminder. Jesus converted by telling people to give their wealth to the poor.
Muhhamed converted by telling people that if they took over a village then they could enslave and fuck all the women they enslave from the village they took over.
One religion seeks to help mankind because God love his creation and the other religion seeks to lure people in through degeneracy like having multiple women or marrying little girls or by allowing you to commit incest by marrying your cousin.
Here a few verses later the Quran expands on it, and ask yourself this. Is this how you would expect an all knowing God to talk or is it more like arrogant atheists speak?
"The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. (5:75)"
"Look how they are deluded"
Only an arrogant evil person would write that and Muhhamed claims the words come from an angel. However on top of that look at how weak and pathetic the Muslim blasphemers see God. They say he is too weak to become human and eat food? When you point this out they claim God cannot be human and still control the universe. Again they blaspheme God for saying he cannot do the impossible and be both human and divine at the same exact time if he feels like it.
These people support Satan and I pray everyday that they come to the real God and start noticing things like when the Quran says thay God is the great deceiver. No Satan is the deceiver and if you are calling your God the great deceiver than you are worshipping Satan.
Muhhamed even admits he struggled to know whether the words came from the arch Angel Michael or the Djinn and he confessed to writing the words of the Djinn once. However he said he threw those words away, but the truth is he could never really know if his words came from God, Satan, angels or the Djinn.
I would say to judge a tree by its fruits though.
This is where even Muslims are confused. The Quran says Christianity was corrupted but not the Bible.
The Quran pretty much admits the bible is true.
The Quran is however pretty obviously false. It's professed to be from God. However it makes silly mistakes. For example it thinks that the trinity mentioned by Catholics is Mary, Jesus and God. However everyone who is a Christian knows that Christians profess to believe in the trinity of Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit.
I take the position that the Quran can be reconciled with the scriptures.
There you go
There is no problem in it bible is word of Allah but it got corrupted partially.
So you got to change the resolution.abour corruption.
Also make 5 rounds each 30000 chars. Also 2 week arguemnt time and min 3 month voting period.