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Mall

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Topic

#5775

What President Trump can do and accomplish for you is ultimately what you think you'll get by voting for the opposite party.

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Publication date: 10.24.2024 05:25PM
Last updated date: 11.06.2024 08:36PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 5
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 30,000
Voting period: Six months
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

Best.Korea

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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.

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Round 1

Mall

10.28.2024 10:54AM

Pro

The opposing side which has to take the stance of voting for the liberal side , democratic side, for something you want, you can get with President Trump.

For instance, I ask the opposing side, do you believe in pro choice, the right to pregnancy abortion?

Do you believe in lower taxes, decreasing inflation and interest rates?

Do you believe in educating non "racial"- discrimination?

Do you believe in having no wars/ending war?

Do you want a reduction in crime?

These are big issues and topics to debate about.

Many of you know they are. It's the least of these that you may have an aversion and that will cause you to attempt to assassinate someone in a political campaign .

I believe the opposing side would want a McDonald's happy meal. We already have evidence that President Trump will serve that to the opposing side.

Does the opposing side want happiness?

Do you believe in happiness?

Do you want other people to be happy?

Let's talk.

Best.Korea

10.28.2024 10:58AM

Con

I want trans rights.

Round 2

Mall

11.01.2024 05:11PM

Pro

For instance, I ask the opposing side, do you believe in pro choice, the right to pregnancy abortion?

Do you believe in lower taxes, decreasing inflation and interest rates?

Do you believe in educating non "racial"- discrimination?

Do you believe in having no wars/ending war?

Do you want a reduction in crime?

Does the opposing side want happiness?

Do you believe in happiness?

Do you want other people to be happy?

People were very happy at that drive thru .

Best.Korea

11.01.2024 05:53PM

Con

I want trans rights.

Can Trump protect rights of all trans people to transition as they want?

Round 3

Mall

11.02.2024 03:03PM

Pro

The answer begins with you answering all those questions I asked first.

Best.Korea

11.02.2024 04:18PM

Con

I already answered those questions by saying I only want trans rights to transition and I think I will get that by voting for Kamala.

Round 4

Mall

11.04.2024 04:07PM

Pro

Well then you're in contradiction because to get trans rights you have to endorse all these other policies.

For instance, I ask the opposing side, do you believe in pro choice, the right to pregnancy abortion?

This is a right to people to include trans rights.

Do you believe in lower taxes, decreasing inflation and interest rates?

This is a benefit to people to include trans rights.

Do you believe in educating non "racial"- discrimination?

This is protection to people to include trans rights.

Do you believe in having no wars/ending war?

This is protection to people to include trans rights.

Do you want a reduction in crime?

This is protection to people to include trans rights.

Does the opposing side want happiness?

This would people to include trans rights.

Do you believe in happiness?

This would be people to include trans rights.

Do you want other people to be happy?

This would be people to include trans rights.

See you tried to be slick and cunning avoiding to answer the questions because you know you can get those things with President Trump.

Then you said "only want". Now you just hung yourself cutting out all these other issues that would affect trans rights.

Somebody told you "well played". You certainly well played yourself into my checkmate. That's checkmate.

Best.Korea

11.04.2024 04:18PM

Con

Well then you're in contradiction because to get trans rights you have to endorse all these other policies

No, I dont need to endorse all these other policies, nor would endorsing those policies ensure right to transition which I believe I will get by voting Kamala.

I think you are confusing path for goal, a common fallacy.

Now, will Trump better ensure the right to transition? Because thats the goal I believe I will achieve the most by voting for Kamala.

Round 5

Mall

11.06.2024 11:51AM

Pro

"No, I dont need to endorse all these other policies, nor would endorsing those policies ensure right to transition which I believe I will get by voting Kamala.

I think you are confusing path for goal, a common fallacy.

Now, will Trump better ensure the right to transition? Because thats the goal I believe I will achieve the most by voting for Kamala."

He will now because nobody else will now .

All you're doing is sticking your fingers in your ears.

We know all these issues I mentioned affect trans rights so to say you are for trans rights but don't support what will sustain them is in conflict. Just concede that you can't have one without the other.

Best.Korea

11.06.2024 01:07PM

Con

#10

He will now because nobody else will now .

No, Trump doesnt protect or even support the right to transition, not even close to the amount Kamala supports it.

The things you listed can exist even if right to transition doesnt, so they are not "one cannot exist without the other".

Best.Korea

11.02.2024 08:07AM

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@Barney

Thanks.

Barney

11.02.2024 03:52AM

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@Best.Korea

Well played!

Barney

11.06.2024 08:36PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

I take this to be more of a contest or riddle type of debate.

Pro casts a wide net, but con by sticking to a single point slips through Trump's aims as far as they are known to pro.
Pro's best point was that con was avoiding his argument, but then when con made it crystal clear to one single right he did much the same by not addressing how Trump would use his power for or against people with that issue.

Either one could have dominated this debate with a single source for their side endorsing the right to transition. As is, both arguments are weak.