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Topic
#5721
Animals are persons
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Parameters
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- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 3
- Time for argument
- One week
- Max argument characters
- 10,000
- Voting period
- One month
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
Contender / Con
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Round 1
Animals have sentience, pain, happiness, intelligence, goals, want quality life..ect.
just like humans.
Thus, no significantly different treatment of animals from humans can be justified, as animals are similar enough to humans that treating them worse than humans is morally wrong.
"Animals have sentience, pain, happiness, intelligence, goals, want quality life..ect"
I agree, animals feel pain, joy, they are intelligent and have goals. (I am not mentioning sentience as that is impossible to quantify)
Do you know what else responds to negative/positive stimuli, is intelligent and has goals?
An amoeba and,
Chat GTP
Chat GTP is trained on negative and positive feedback (joy and pain), Chat GTP is intelligent, and Chat GTP has many goals ask him about it.
In some ways Chat GTP shows these traits much more expressively than most animals, and for amoebas?
Amoebas have the same goals as most animals, survive and reproduce, nothing they do is for any reason other than that.
Same for a chicken, they do nothing but eat, mate, anything else can be chalked up to positioning themselves to eat or mate more.
However, humans do many thing animals don't,
Like art,
People slave away making art few appreciate for no reason other than the inherent joy they receive from creating it.
And humor?
TikTok is giving you images or ideas and you find them "funny" and you experience joy because of that?
Nothing even slightly akin to that exists in the animal world and THAT is the difference between animals and humans.
Round 2
Do you know what else responds to negative/positive stimuli, is intelligent and has goals?An amoeba and,Chat GTP
None of those feel any pain or happiness. I could agree that ChatGTP is more of a person than most humans, but this isnt the topic about ChatGTP.
Like art,People slave away making art few appreciate for no reason other than the inherent joy they receive from creating it.And humor?TikTok is giving you images or ideas and you find them "funny" and you experience joy because of that?Nothing even slightly akin to that exists in the animal world and THAT is the difference between animals and humans.
My opponent thinks its okay to kill humans who dont do art, dont have humor, dont have TikTok and arent funny, since he doesnt consider those humans persons, since his standard for personhood is exactly what he said above.
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Round 3
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This one is standard.