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#5675

America is responsible for terrorism

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 2 votes and with 5 points ahead, the winner is...

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Publication date: 08.18.2024 03:19AM
Last updated date: 09.05.2024 03:13AM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 2
Time for argument: One day
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: Two weeks
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

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greenplanet

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Round 1

AnonYmous_Icon

08.20.2024 08:15AM

Pro

America is the land which is counqure by the terrorists , pirates , brutel , Greedy , hungry peoples and european nations . The land of America colored by the innocent blood of Native americans.

Native Americans consider coming peoples from Europe as the peoples of God and do , what they can for their pleasure . but soon coming peoples display their greed of Gold and humiliate Natives Americans.

Natives r very friendly to settlers give food , shelter and help when they need , but in return bad snakes (european nations ) bit them at the end.

There a joyfull and nessarry paractice for those animal like peoples who , first make agreements of peace , friendships and promise to be allies , do parties with Natives American and when the time comes killed the friends (Natives Americans).

Unfortunately the Land of Native Americans r filled and occupied by their killer who still countinue terrorism in world , Today's America is country dominated by exact same generations of bad peoples.

Even now a days , America is super power and still do very bad things to spread fear and their influence to take over the world.

Do bad with Iraq , Iran .....

Native American genocide

Support Iraq to invade Iran

Invade Iraq due to nothing

greenplanet

08.21.2024 02:24AM

Con

First of all, terrorism is defined as ``premeditated, political motivated violence that attacks civilians. This violence is carried out by groups or people acting

in secret.`` 1) Looking at the history , terrorism took place in many parts of the world in Europe, Middle East and Asia.

These are included in international terrorism. The reason is that a number of immigrants, anti-government groups and foreign people who supported them involved

in these violent activities. Therefore, we can say that the U.S. is not heavily responsible for those terrorism.

The important problem is whether the domestic terrorism which aims for overthrowing the U.S. government has taken place in the past.

The U.S. government and FBI regard the act of overthrowing the U.S. government and the destruction of nuclear power facilities are the most serious and dreadful

terrorism. Fortunately, these terrorism have not occured so far.

According to the FBI, none of the individuals who deem responsible for domestic terrorism are charged with domestic terrorism.

``This is because no crime called domestic terrorism exists in U.S. law. Instead, someone is charged with murder, assault, or other violent crimes.`` 2)

From above argument, I believe that America is not responsible for terrorism.

References: 1),2) `Who counts as a terrorist ? ` https://education.cfr.org.

Round 2

AnonYmous_Icon

08.21.2024 06:37AM

Pro

My Respected opponent , it seems that u r trying to make white lie to hide the violence , terrorism of brutel Terrorists State Of America against humans .

When Saddam Husain (Iraq) attack on Iran , USA try their best to help Saddam to invade Iran , The US backed him in his 8 year fight with Khomeini (Iran ). Even Iran is good and do nothing against states of Iraq or USA .

But when Saddam Husain (Iraq) attack on Kuwait , Usa Attack on the Saddam ( forces of iraq persent in Kuwait) and then move forward to Iraq and invade Iraq , killed without limits , No one knows with certainty how many people have been killed and wounded in Iraq since the 2003 United States invasion.

Between 186,694-210,038 Iraqi civilians have died and a total of 280,771-315,190 have died from direct war related violence caused by the U.S.. its just a roughly estimate . USA say Iraq has weapons of Mass destruction (Neuclear weapons) and then invade , even after invasion of Iraq USA find nothing like that.

haha

what is that ?

Israel has neaclear weapons , and israel still doing maning thing bad and USA is support israel . Like America give fully-funded scholarship to Israel to invade Palestine ( GAZA , West Bank.....) , that is nice joke . When Israel Attack on Irani assests America clap on it , and when Iran react on that and just fire low grade , power less , fake missiles at the area where chances of death is near to zero and exactly , after Irani low grade , soft attack is display on the Land of Holy Israel , in result there is no death of anyone and just a minor damage . USA report that Iran attack cause no harm in israel , just minor damage.

We all know USA invade Afganistan due to nothing , Iraq , Sudan ...... USA has invaded 84 out of the 194 countries recognized by the United Nations.

Where is human rights , where is humanity .... USA do f** on anything , anytime , anywhere

i've many to say , that no becuase i know much , its all do to famous American fame (terror ) on other nations, countries , America the Great Noble Terroist , if u say i'm wronge then tell , what I say to America after do such bad thing.

F** from your given source (f** = fun , not take it anything else )

And one thing more my dear , if u read ur evidence "Who counts as a terrorist ?" in that there's a thing : "The U.S. Department of State also keeps a list of state sponsors of terrorism " when u observe that u need to laugh , so loudly , but by the way if u not laugh inform me , i make u laugh by tell something in it. Its so funny that Grand father of all Gangsters tell that , some trainees , juniors gange members r much bad than any other and deserve bad things and punishments .

Extra things:

One of the top profiteers from the Iraq War was oil field services corporation, Halliburton. Halliburton gained $39.5 billion in "federal contracts related to the Iraq war".

Halliburton Company is an American multinational corporation and the world's second largest oil service company which is responsible for most of the world's largest fracking operations.

Don't forget Osama bin Laden is friend of USA , who is the owner of al-Qaeda , Osama is good when , he do according to USA , and then USA make false statment of 9/11 and just destroy him.
Human rights according to America is only for Americans , not for the Humans of Pakistan , Afganistan, Iraq , Syria , Palestine, Ymen, ... thats a fact.
Libarty is not for sale for other third world countries , according to f*** America. Yeap i know sometimes America do some f** dramas to make them self but still true face is uncovered .
What is Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombed for u my dear opponent ?

Notice:

That's a long i know , as i not much hardworking person but still for u i do it , honestly with my devotion.

so dear readers read it patiently , its a joke but ture fact maybe.

Now judgemenst is upon U .

greenplanet

08.22.2024 03:13AM

Con

Rebuttals for Round 1 : Firstly, Pro argues that ``today`s America is country dominated exact same generations of bad peoples.``

Tell me who are bad peoples ? I can not understand.

Secondly, Pro argues that ``even now a days, America is super power and still do very bad things to spread fear and their influence to take over the world ``

This is not correct. America does not have any intension to take over the world. These days America prioritizes for building the cooperative relationship

with the allied countries to strengthen economic and technological competitiveness. Moreover, America is making an every effort to pave the way for ending the

war between Ukraine and Russia, Israel and Hamas of Palestine.

Jake Sullivan, U.S. National Security Adviser, argues that `` by investing in the sources of domestic strength, deepening alliances and partnerships, delivering results

on global challenges, and staying disciplined in the exercise of power, the Unites States will be prepared to advance its vision of a free, open, prosperous , and

secure world no matter what surprises are in store.`` 1)

Rebuttals for Round 2: Pro argues that ``Iran is good and do nothing against states of Iraq or USA.``

Iran is not good. The country has hatred feelings toward the U.S. Iran is not acceptable for the fact that America has a close relationship with Israel.

The theme of this debate is a global and worth discussing theme in the 21 century.

Reference: 1) Jake Sullivan, ` The Sources of American Power`, Foreign Affairs, November- December 2023, P. 26.

WyIted

08.25.2024 09:18PM

are you syrian, French or Chilean? I have it narrowed to those 3 but think Syrian

AnonYmous_Icon

08.20.2024 08:26AM

Dear Readers and My Respected opponent , kindly ignore spell , grammer mistakes in my statments , i appreciate u for that patientence and ignorance on my mistake .

AnonYmous_Icon

08.20.2024 08:24AM

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08.18.2024 06:32PM

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@AnonYmous_Icon

A better title might be “ America is responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

You can’t argue that America is responsible for all terrorism.

WyIted

08.18.2024 03:27AM

I used to think a lot about a book called blowback or some similar title that argued the same point.

WyIted

08.25.2024 08:10PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

I found that pro's arguments that america is terroristic was supported by his arguments about politically motivated violence both against native America and nations around the world and that con generally did not argue against the resolution and also provided a definition of terrorism that supported pro. https://youtu.be/r4RkZEBy7Jc

link is more spelled out response for that vote and expands on my reasoning

Trent0405

08.25.2024 07:58PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

ARGUMENTS

Basically, Con tries to kritik the resolution of the debate. Effectively, Con asserts that because some terrorism in the world is not attributable to America, America cannot be responsible for all terrorism. The problem is that this kritik relies on an obtuse interpretation of the resolution. The resolution does not specify that ALL terrorism is a result of America, it simply implies that you could charge America (presumably the American government) with terrorism. I think this is the only fair interpretation of the resolution as it is written.

Pro puts forward a case which basically points to America's role in many events which led to the loss of life or grievous human suffering. He particularly emphasizes America's role in the Middle East (invasion of Iraq, support of Israel, invasion of Afghanistan).

Con changes tune in his R2 rebuttals. Instead of following through with his kritik, Con points to America's role in securing peace around the world. While this argument does mitigate the power of Pro's case, most examples of American terror brought up by Pro go completely unaddressed. I am left siding with Pro because a country abating terrorism in some circumstances does not preclude them from also spreading terror.

SOURCES

There were many extreme claims that Pro made where a source would have been helpful. If you want to say America lied about 9/11 to justify blowing up Osama bin Laden, go for it, but know that an extreme claim like that is going leave people wanting to check your work. Pro also linked to a Google search in his R1. Con definitely did better regarding his sources, but the disparity is not great enough to justify assigning the point.

LEGIBILITY

Where to begin. Spelling, grammatical, and formatting errors/inconsistencies make Pro's arguments nearly unreadable at times. There are probably a dozen or so blatant in Pro's first two sentences, which I will paste below:
"America is the land which is counqure by the terrorists , pirates , brutel , Greedy , hungry peoples and european nations . The land of America colored by the innocent blood of Native americans."