Instigator / Pro
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rating
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Topic
#5615
Kamala is more likely to become president (pro) VS Trump is more likely to become president (con)
Status
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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After 1 vote and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...
FishChaser
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- Publication date
- Last updated date
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- Rated
- Number of rounds
- 3
- Time for argument
- Three days
- Max argument characters
- 10,000
- Voting period
- Two weeks
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
- Minimal rating
- None
Contender / Con
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Round 1
1: The main concern that on-the-fence voters and even democrats had about Biden is that he is a senile old man. If Kamala is similar in ideology to Biden but is not senile plus has the added boost of "omg first female president" then she can beat Trump because Biden beat Trump.
2: Trump is a very polarizing figure which is a double edged sword, because for every person who loves Trump and thinks he's the messiah there is a person who hates him and thinks he is Hitler. Kamala is actually a moderate compared to Trump, even though the right wing media portrays her as a dangerous radical leftist she is a centrist in practice and therefore has more reach to be accepted by more people but at the same time she is seen as an anti-Trump and can work with the criminal VS prosecutor narrative during her campaign.
3: There is a good chance that this whole thing was set up by the democrats and the only reason Biden didn't step down earlier is so they could spring a trap on Donald Trump's campaign. Trump has been preparing to face Biden this whole time, he doesn't have as much time to adapt to Kamala so the limited time works to Kamala's advantage because everything she says will be fresh in the mind of voters by election time and she can pile all her attacks on Trump and lay out her case of why she should be president all at once without him being able to fight back as effectively.
My first argument: The most important thing is that Kamala does not show her core economic policy and her vision for the U.S. clearly and constructively so far.
I believe that Trump is more likely to become president. Trump is competent enough not only to re-build America but to make the country great if he would be
elected in November, 2024. If he wins in the coming election, he will soon exert a charismatic influence not only in economic policy but in world politics.
The important thing is that his policies are aiming at making America great and competitive and to improving the life among many people of the U.S.
As a result, American economy and society will be revitalized compared with the days of Biden administration.
I point out the core programs and policies which will be promoted and carried out by Trump.
Firstly, in economic policy he would impose higher taxes on the wealthy people and big business. This contributes to decreasing heavy debt of the central
government. For many years the policy of New Liberalism has been promoted in the country. Reflecting this policy, managers of big business have been engaging in
buying their company`s stocks not investing in production facilities and not raising wages among their employees. This contributed to triggering the economic
disparity between the managers and workers and to depriving of the dynamism of American economy.
Trump would promote anti-New Liberalism policy which prioritize on the role of government. In other words, Trump would put the highest priority on improving
and protecting the life among many American people of all generation. Not capitalist-oriented economy is the core of his economic policy.
Furthermore, he is planning to introduce Gold-Standard system to stabilize the government spending and to reduce the huge government deficit.
Secondly, he will prioritize on de-globalization of American manufacturing industries. Domestic- oriented production is highly evaluated.
He would strongly urge leading industries like cars, steel and electric appliances to produce in the U.S. This contributes to increasing employment opportunities and the Middle class. As a result, not only the tax revenues in local governments increase but consumer spending will increase and local economy will be revitalized.
Thirdly, he would introduce many legal immigrants from the rest of the world as much as possible. This offers them a great opportunity to realize American Dream.
However, illegal immigrants will be strictly restricted to help make America more safer and peaceful society.
Fourthly, he intends to introduce the policy which invites talented scientists and engineer to further strengthen the overwhelming competitive power of science and
technology of the U.S. from the rest of the world.
Finally, he is planning for strengthening the cooperative relationship with the allied countries of the West in defense and military power.
But he prioritize on reducing the military spending to reduce the government deficit. Coping with this situation, he will ask for Japan, Germany and other allied
countries to increase their military spending.
In conclusion, the basic idea of democracy which places the highest value on promoting freedom, equality and solidarity among all people of society will emerge
with the re-emergence of Trump in November of 2024 as the president of the U.S.
Round 2
The most important thing is that Kamala does not show her core economic policy and her vision for the U.S. clearly and constructively so far.I believe that Trump is more likely to become president. Trump is competent enough not only to re-build America but to make the country great if he would beelected in November, 2024.
Even if he were competent, this has nothing to do with him being elected. It in fact makes it LESS likely that he will be elected because the average voter is a retarded piece of shit with horrible understanding of politics and shitty sensibilities. Voters mostly respond to emotional arguments and base their opinions on propaganda.
All of cons arguments are about Trump being a good president, not about how likely he is to be elected.
All of cons arguments are about Trump being a good president, not about how likely he is to be elected.
Rebuttals: Pro argues in Round 1that ``she can beat Trump because Biden beat Trump.``
I believe she can not beat Trump. The main reason is that her basic policy and ideas for leading America in the coming future are not clear and they are not deeply
supported and penetrated into many younger generation.
Next, Pro argues in Round 1 that ``their is a person who hates him and thinks he is Hitler.`` Trump is not a Hitler. I believe that many Americans strongly hope
the emergence of strong and charismatic political leader to make America great again. His speech is persuasive and has a strong power to make many Americans
rebuild the country toward truly democratic country which is beneficial for all the people of the U.S.
Lastly, Pro argues that``so the limited time works to Kamala`s advantage because everything she says will be fresh in the mind of voters by election time``.
However, unfortunately only about two months are left for the election time. So, it seems very difficult for her to make her vision and policies penetrate into the
minds of many American people.
In Round 2, Pro argues that``voters mostly respond to emotional arguments and base their opinions on propaganda.``
Trump`s arguments are not propaganda. His policies are based on the idea of MAGA(Make America Great Again).
Kamala`s policies are far behind in perspectives, visions and attractiveness compared with that of Trump.
Therefore, Trump is in far better position in the competition for the presidential election.
This time Mr. Vance who is very popular among many American people will contribute to making Trump the president of the U.S. as the reliable adviser too much.
Round 3
99% of Cons arguments are him saying he thinks Trump would make a better president. If that was relevant to actually becoming president than someone like George W Bush for example would never have become president.
I believe she can not beat Trump. The main reason is that her basic policy and ideas for leading America in the coming future are not clear and they are not deeplysupported and penetrated into many younger generation.
Her policy and ideas are 99% similar to the guy who beat Trump in the last election, except instead of being the "at least he's not Trump" guy she's the "yass kween we needs us a black wamen in da white house" anti-Trump figurehead.
Rebuttal: Pro argues in Round 3 that ``we needs us a black women in the white house.``
I believe that Trump is well prepared to live up to the expectation from among black women as much as possible.
My last argument: Management and control of inflation and deflation is the important problem to keep the stability of the national economy.
Trump is well prepared for involving in financial and monetary policy of the U.S. He says strongly that the president should have opinion in monetary policy.
We expect his long-time experience in business is reflected in the U.S. monetary policy.
Dick Morris argues that`` Donald J. Trump has been one of America`s great president. Not just good, but great. He defied the economic establishment by getting
Congress to pass a massive tax cut, skillfully crafted to aim at the middle class, the working poor, and small businesses. `` 1)
And Morris continues to argue that `` Trump`s political power is rooted in his unique ability to attract, as no other American political figure can, two key groups of swing voters who became part of his core constituency ; white high-school- educated voters and Hispanic-American patriots.``2)
I hope he will be elected as the president in November of 2024.
References: 1) Dick Morris, The Return: Trump`s big 2024 comeback, Humanix Books, 2022, p. 45.
2) The Return, p.51.
I support trump.
I oppose healthcare budget because it costs too much.
2 trillions for healthcare?
No thanks.
After you read that article you will realize that only an evil person can support socialized medicine. It would cause more death and more suffering
Actually that has already been debunked along with virtually every left-wing policy position
https://fee.org/articles/if-american-healthcare-kills-european-healthcare-kills-more/
I mean, what would Con even argue here? Electoral votes are the only thing that matters.
Oh believe me it's true and she has made many similar mistakes as a prosecutor. Democrats main argument is that Trump is a felon and well if kamala isn't a felon i don't know who is. Democrat has become a buzzword while Trump is constantly called a fascist and a white supremacist.
Don't get me wrong Kamala will probably win and if she doesn't it will be close but i'm not quite sure if she's the most eligible. All i have seen her do is dance and laugh at herself, no politics whatsoever
I have heard about stuff like that but at this point I'm not sure if that is the whole truth or just a way of framing it to make her look bad. I haven't looked too deeply into it.
@Wylted the only thing inherently left wing that you mentioned there is the socialized medicine, and socialized medicine is good. It's fucked up for the value of people's lives to be determined by how much money they have.
He is debating who is most likely to win, not who is best fit to serve as president
My question is who almost condemned an innocent man to death and then concealed evidence as a prosecutor?
They aren't fake leftists. They really do want to cut the dicks off of children. They really did have the feds try to end free speech on social media. They really are turning to harm standard of care by bringing in socialized medicine
The thing you are missing here is that Kamala is the moderate and Trump is the radical. In the grand scheme of things, Trump is closer to being far right than Kamala is to being far left. Americans have this weird misconception about the political spectrum where social democracy (center-left) is considered communism and staunchly right wing candidates are considered balanced centrists.
It would be a good thing if America turned into a social democracy, it's a lot better than having a false two party system where both parties are right wing and both parties are in favor of the status quo except one loves virtue signaling about race and gender and the other loves virtue signaling about being Christian. Since both main parties are status quo supporting and the others literally NEVER win it wouldn't make much difference if we only had one party, the real problem is that the democratic party is full of fake leftists.
no it has more to do with the party than her. I do think we will essentially have a one party nation if Trump does not win.I can see the chess board and the moves the left are making and this is the last election before the demographics permanently favor the democrats and the left is holding the party hostage so even if moderates win, they still have to obey.
You're extremely incorrect about this. Kamala isn't that different from any generic democrat, she may even be better. What you're saying would make more sense if you had said it about Biden before he was elected.
They are going to have to cheat pretty hard for that to happen, but I wouldn't doubt it. If so it's the end of america being a 1st world nation