Instigator / Pro
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1485
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18
debates
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Topic
#5554

I am pro-rank choice voting

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
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6
Better sources
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4
Better legibility
2
2
Better conduct
1
2

After 2 votes and with 11 points ahead, the winner is...

WyIted
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
30,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
14
1498
rating
32
debates
67.19%
won
Description

Rank Choice Voting means that instead of picking person a or person b or person c, you would award a, b, and c all ranked top down points rather than 1 - 0 -0, it would be 1 - .5 -.25. Ultimately, the favored candidate would win and not the “lesser of two evils”. We would have more favorable presidents and really anyone who we elect using this system.

Round 2
Pro
#3
So? You just explained how it works, but not why you’re against it.
Con
#4
argument from the video, LOL. Actually watch it next time, here is my half assed script obviously with the pictures not able to be copy and pasted, I brought up how it disenfranchizes voters, leads to delayed elections and is costly.

script c/ped

Hello everyone. I am yet again debating somebody on debateart.com. Thedebate will be linked to in the description below, and that is also where I amgoing to link the citations I am using (on debateart.com)To explain Ranked choice voting simply; Imagine you are having a party and want to decide what game to play. Youhave ten friends and four choices: tag, hide-and-seek, and freeze dance, andpillow fight Instead of just picking one game, you and your friends can rankthem in order of how much you want to play them.So, you might say:
  1. Hide-and-seek
  2. Tag
  3. Freeze dance
  4. Pillow fight
YoThis system seems fair. You get to vote for your favorite and don’t haveto mind read how everyone else is going to vote. However, this is simpleexplanation has fooled many people. When voters have all the facts about rankedchoice voting, 71% of people oppose it. [1] Take a look at the Instructions for RCV voting. It can confuse manyvoters.   Here is what a typical RCV ballot looks like below;    That’s on a smaller ballot, imagine some of the ridiculous electionswhere there is 20 or 30 candidates competing for a single spot. This isn’t just a theoretical problem the confusion has certainpredictable outcomes for voters.  Forexample in Minneapolis and St. Paul Minnesota, they have been doing rankedchoice ballots for over a decade and as a result of how confusing things canget, they have 20% lower voter turn out than surrounding areas. [2]Several studies on the relationship between voter turn out and rankedchoice, have been done in San Francisco and have shown the Minneapolis and St.Paul are not outliers but a predictable outcome of requiring RCV in elections.[3]It doesn’t just disenfranchise voters by discouraging them from voting.It harms voters in other ways.Vote exhaustionRemember the example we used from earlier to explain RCV? Let’s go backto that for a second; Imagine you and your friends are voting on which game toplay, but some of your friends don't like any of the choices after theirfavorite game is taken out. They didn't pick a second or third choice becausethey didn't want to play those games at all. This means their votes are allused up, and they can't help decide anymore. That's what vote exhaustion means:when someone's votes run out because they didn't rank enough choices.This is also not a theoretical concept. In most RCVelections tens of thousands of votes get thrown in the trash can. Not counted.This means their vote does not count. In San Fransico’s 2010 Board of Supervisors Generalelection, 53% of votes were not even counted. Out of around 17,000 votes, onlyaround 8,000 counted towards the election. [4]In Maine’s second congressional district in the democraticprimary, almost 15,000 votes were exhausted, meaning thrown in the trash andalmost 10% of votes didn’t count.[5]We have a simple solution for this that occurs in most ofthe United States. It’s called runoff elections. You take the top 2 candidatesand just have everyone revote until somebody is above 50%. It means peoplesvotes, still actually count and that they only have to inform themselves on 2candidates to make the best decision for themselves instead of researching thepositions and character of up to 20 or 30 people. Running the ElectionBesides screwing up to 53% of voters in some cases bythrowing out their vote, and discouraging another 20% from voting, it harms thevolunteers who keep our voting system running by complicating the process. Whenever you have lengthy delays in the process you alsohave more pressure on volunteers who tabulate votes and help elections run. Anysort of added complexity also makes the jobs of these heroic volunteers evenharder. Making the process complex results in 2 issues. The firstis delaying elections and the second is making mistakes and putting the wrongperson in office, which has happened at least a few times, which we will getinto in a bit. In the 2009 Minneapolis Mayoral race it took 2 weeks with109 election staff work 38  eight hourshifts. For those that don’t want to do the math, that is 30,000 man hours. [6] In 2021’s Democrat Mayoral Primary, the results of theelection were delayed by 15 days, part of the reason was that due to theconfusion of the process they had erroneously included 135k invalid ballots.[7]   1.     https://thefga.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/National-Ranked-Choice-Voting-Message-Test-one-pager-9-22-22.pdf2.     https://vote.minne apolismn.gov/ranked-choice-voting/history/3.     https://www.cato-unbound.org/2016/12/13/jason-mcdaniel/ranked-choice-voting-likely-means-lower-turnout-more-errors/4.     https://sfelections.org/results/20101102/data/d10.html5.     https://freedomfoundationofminnesota.com/ranked-choice-voting/6.     https://apnews.com/article/eric-adams-wins-nyc-democratic-mayoral-primary-9c564828a29831747f9c2e6f%2052daf55e7.     https://www.fairvote.org/where_is_ranked%20_choice_voting_used8.       


Round 3
Pro
#5
 Ultimately, the favored candidate would win and not the “lesser of two evils”. We would have more favorable presidents and really anyone who we elect using this system.
Con
#6
 Ultimately, the favored candidate would win and not the “lesser of two evils”. We would have more favorable presidents and really anyone who we elect using this system.
Too late for arguments in the final round plus my arguments about it being unfair to voters, election staff and candidates has went unrelated so I win. Do not ever debate me again until you have the integrity and skill to put up a good fight.