First, let's go over how each system of measurement works.
The Metric System
We start off with the meter. This is a unit of length, and by the way it was originally invented, it is one ten millionth of the distance from the equator to the pole. The distance from the equator to the pole is ten million meters, which is a fourth of the earth's circumference, so the earth's circumference is forty million meters. From there, if you were to take a cube where each side has a side length of a tenth of a meter, you have a liter, which is the unit for volume. Then, if you were to weigh one liter of water, you would have a kilogram. And finally, the temperature at which water boils at sea level is 100 degrees Celsius, and the temperature at which water freezes is 0 degrees Celsius. As you can see, these units follow one another, and the first unit, the meter, is entirely based on an unchanging measurement that is the earth. It will change eventually, but not in the lifetimes of several generations to come.
Then, after we have defined all of these units of measurement, we can create prefixes to describe quantities of these measurements:
Quecto = nonillionth
Ronto = octillionth
Yocto = septillionth
Zepto = sextillionth
Atto = quintillionth
Femto = quadrillionth
Pico = trillionth
Nano = billionth
Micro = millionth
Milli = thousandth
Centi = hundredth
Deci = tenth
Deca = ten
Hecto = hundred
Kilo = thousand
Mega = million
Giga = billion
Tera = trillion
Peta = quadrillion
Exa = quintillion
Zetta = sextillion
Yotta = septillion
Ronna = octillion
Quetta = nonillion
From there, you could apply these prefixes to any of the units of measurement that you like. We have the meter, and if you have one thousand meters, you put the prefix "kilo" before it, creating kilometer. A tenth of a meter would be a decimeter, and thus, we can now define a liter as a cubic decimeter. And a liter of water is a kilogram, but notice the prefix "kilo," which represents a thousand. So, a thousandth of a kilogram is really just a gram, which, since this is in three-dimensional space, results in a gram of weight being equal to a cubic centimeter of water.
The metric system is simple, it's logical, and it's easy, as you're just working with tens. Now, many calculations are merely a matter of moving the decimal point, and converting between units could never be easier. It's also based on things that are not variable, that being the size of the earth and its circumference, and things generally considered to be default, like water.
The Imperial System
The imperial system is not based on unchanging things within the universe, but rather, people's body parts. This is because that was all we had back in the day. Back when science was not nearly as advanced as it is today, nobody could base a system of measurement on something as precise as we can today. Instead, it was much easier to simply use their body parts, because these systems of measurement could allow them to have a ruler on them at all times. The foot is a unit of measurement equal to approximately the length of the average man's foot. It is also equal to twelve inches, and an inch is the length of three grains of barley laid end to end. A pound is a unit of weight equal to seven thousand grains. The ounce refers to several different units of measure, and it's not even consistent. And the mile is a unit of length equal to 5,280 feet. Where in the freak did people get that number from?
There are no prefixes for the imperial system, the units are based on rather random, arbitrary, and approximate things, and the numbers aren't even easy with one another. It is not working with tens, and calculations can be hard. The only logical basis it has is that you can use your body as a ruler, but your body is not the same as everybody else's body, so your measurements might not even match up with somebody else's. And now that we live in a day and age where technology is very advanced and knowledge in science is too, we don't need such approximate values, we have exact measurements, and that is the metric system. The imperial system can barely even be called a system, it's more like a set of random arbitrary values. The metric system is an actual system, because they all have correlation to each other, and there are prefixes that must be used to describe quantities.
As you can see, it is very, very clear that the metric system is far more logical, because it is based on unchanging things in nature, and it's easy, because it's all tens, and is directly companionable with our base-ten counting system. The imperial system simply isn't. And so, the metric system clearly comes out on top as objectively better.
Though some people would still like to stick to their imperial system, they don't have any good reason as to why. They've simply been using it all their life, and their intuition is calibrated upon it. But that says nothing about the actual logical and mathematical integrity of their system, it just means they grew up with it. And some people simply apply their love of the imperial system to patriotism, and say that it is the American way. I am American myself, but I'm not a fool. I can clearly see that the metric system is better, and people who just say "U.S.A.! U.S.A.!" as an argument are setting themselves up for failure, and are grasping at colloquial phrases to make their point sound more sound. It's not.
So that's how long a troll argument can go on for. Honestly I thought it'd go on forever.
You never actually responded to anything, you just dismissed it, and thought that solved it.
How is that useless information? Explain to me why the information I provided has no use in our argument.
Alright. That is useless information.
We're not just calling it the metric system because we move one decimal point, though that is a big advantage of the metric system, the measurements are still different. One meter is not the same length as one foot, neither a centimeter nor a decimeter is the same length as an inch, and a kilogram is not the same as a pound. The units that the metric system contains have a logical basis on unchanging and precise things, though at the time, the French didn't know how much of an approximation "sphere" is for the earth's shape. But it still stands that the earth's circumference is 40,075km (a tiny mistake was made in the calculations of the meter, but it's better than people's feet...).
And, if you think that me saying "I'm an American myself, but I'm not a fool" is really just me saying that I'm better than the average American, then you must think that the average American is a fool. In which case, you either think that you are like the average American and are a fool, or are not a fool and therefore are above the average American, putting you in the exact same position as me. Your argument is not very sound.
The whole point behind the metric system is that it's simple, so no over complications, it's logical, so it has a logical origin and basis, and it's easy, because of how simple the system is. You're using this as an argument against the metric system, but you're only using the exact reasons FOR the metric system. Why would you want to unnecessarily over complicate a system of measurement? It is precisely the fact THAT it is so simple that is a reason to use it!
And, yeah sending your links is not going to change the fact that whether or not changing to the metric system would collapse the economy is irrelevant, because we're not talking about how hard it is for each nationality to convert to the metric system, we're just talking about which one is better by nature. Get that in your head.
Yeah, I was playing devil's advocate, but he and Casey can't stop shut their traps so I wrote it down here.
I'm done with this argument, I gave you facts and you simply ignored them.
Alright, so you are just admitting that you state your argument as sound, because it, well, that's how you feel. I'm sorry to offend you by telling you that everybody can use the powers of ten, and then saying that it's called metric. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. What? All we can do is say ok, rather than getting a pat on the back. Also, about the quote, you said that "I am American myself, but I'm not a fool." states that you are smarter than the "average American". Also, I have re-read your comment, you stated that "Also, you didn't cite any sources either, you just showed up quotes, but you didn't actually send the links to where they came from, which to my understanding is usually required to get source points.", I can list them if you want me to, but I've already did, so you can stop beating around the bush. "Aha! Just move the decimal one point and we can call it metric, so we can become original, even though we're taking unnecessary steps to an already simplified measurement."
*Imperial vs Metric: https://dailycalculators.com/The-metric-system-vs-Imperial-system
*Why the U.S doesn't use metric: https://www.britannica.com/story/why-doesnt-the-us-use-the-metric-system#:~:text=So%20why%20hasn't%20it,American%20jobs%20and%20consumer%20products.
*Why the economy would fail without Imperial, and the difference between metric: https://www.masterclass.com/articles/whats-the-difference-between-the-metric-and-imperial-system-plus-a-conversion-chart-for-imperial-and-metric-systems-of-measurement
If you never misquoted me, why not you bring up where the quote was, genius?
And, you're acting as if the fact that all you do is mainly just move a decimal point is a cause for "that's it?" But you literally just argued for precisely one of the best reasons TO use the metric system, because it is that simple. It's not a matter of "that's it?" It's a matter of, "that's it!" As in, "that's all I have to do, and that was really easy!"
And no, I don't have a personal bias of the metric system, I am American and grew up using the Imperial System, so I made the decision to favor the metric system out of my own logic and reason, because of how logical and easy it is to work with and use and calculate, making things move a lot quicker.
Also, you didn't cite any sources either, you just showed up quotes, but you didn't actually send the links to where they came from, which to my understanding is usually required to get source points.
And, while it is true that I might have been a little on the technical side in the quote of me you quoted, anyone who can understand all of my sentences well will understand that I actually do know what I'm talking about. And, I wasn't telling people not to use the sesquipedalian loquaciousness fallacy, though you shouldn't use it anyway, I was talking about the exact opposite: people using irrelevant and simple-minded phrases and sayings to make their point appear to be more logically sound. If I ask someone why they like the Imperial System better than the metric system, and they respond, "U.S.A.! U.S.A.!," then I know that they are just using patriotic phrases and sayings to give a little more gravity to their logic, when it's really just nothing. But that's far from a complicated statement, because it's just repeating three letters.
And of course, just because I didn't cite any sources or quote anything doesn't mean my logic is not sound. If you read my very first argument, you would see that I explained both the metric and Imperial System, and so you can see for yourself why the metric system is more logical.
"Imperial is better because metric is purely based on this, just to multiply 10^x to call yourself smart?"
First off, I never boasted about being smart. Again, you can >directly quote< me if you would like to prove me wrong on that. And, the whole point of the metric system is that calculations are really simple. You're describing that the metric system is really just 10^x...which is precisely the beauty of the metric system, because ideally it should not be so complicated, and it's not!
I'm believing Best.Korea more and more when he said that you're a troll, because this is the exact kind of thing that might happen between someone and a troll, it's just harder to spot on a website like this, where the whole point is to debate people. Either way, if you didn't give me a chance to respond in the debate, I'll at least respond here, because you're not getting away with that move.
Don't act all high and mighty now, and I never misquoted you, go take that disrespect crap somewhere else, because if you want to ruin the economy, go ahead, it's America's pleasure. If you have to have to convert a distance to metric, just say that you have a "pet peeve" and you truly just don't care about anybody else's opinions. Metric is worse, mainly because moving a decimal, aka, using an unnecessary step to convert a number by doing simple exponential factors, and calling imperial useless, makes me feel you just learnt what scientific notation meant. What's worse, is even if it might be "superior", it can't be used in every situation, so it's not irrelevant. Look, I came here to debate too, and if you think winning you do anything, I'm sorry, but this is casual, not ranked. "America could have been calibrated on any system, not just the Imperial System, and it would make it hard to convert to metric." you clearly waited to say this, which I was waiting for you to confess. You have a personal bias with metric, but you refused to give any resources that told me that it was better than imperial, but instead your source was "it's easy!". That's why I'm upset, because I could of had a good argument, but you sounded smart even though you had nothing to back it up. Of course, you can just round it up, but just moving a decimal? Come on now? Imperial is better because metric is purely based on this, just to multiply 10^x to call yourself smart? Listen to yourself. "Though some people would still like to stick to their imperial system, they don't have any good reason as to why. They've simply been using it all their life, and their intuition is calibrated upon it. But that says nothing about the actual logical and mathematical integrity of their system, it just means they grew up with it. And some people simply apply their love of the imperial system to patriotism, and say that it is the American way. I am American myself, but I'm not a fool. I can clearly see that the metric system is better, and people who just say "U.S.A.! U.S.A.!" as an argument are setting themselves up for failure, and are grasping at colloquial phrases to make their point sound more sound. It's not." This is my example, ad hominem, bandwagon, and absolutely sneaky use of sesquipedalian loquaciousness trying to tell people not to use the sesquipedalian loquaciousness fallacy.
You have completely missed the point, and misquoted me. First of all, I never said that the Imperial System is trash, I just said it was less logical and harder to use than the metric system. Second, if I can't drill this into your skull any harder, it does not matter how hard the convert from Imperial to metric is in America, because that wasn't even what the topic of this debate is talking about. The topic of this debate is which system of units is better, not which country would have a harder time converting their systems. America could have been calibrated on any system, not just the Imperial System, and it would make it hard to convert to metric. You're focusing on irrelevant factors, and making useless arguments because of that.
This is obviously bad conduct on ChristianIsEdging's end. He waited until I was incapable of responding in order to make any kind of reasonable argument, rendering my response to such non-existent.
and dawg, didn't you say that autism is a disease??? You plan on doin something with this debate but I havent seen you said crap.
I know, but how the heck are you supposed to win this??? I ain't no troll, I want to debate too but I'm forced to debate casual. I like trolling but I like helping boost others ego as well since I don't want one.
There is no shame in being a troll. You already upset casey or maybe she is just on her period, but its funny either way.
First of all, you started a debate arguing that children should be shown PH videos in school. I think it's more than fair to call you a troll. Second, don't waste time by accepting a debate just to drop some weak, borderline nonsensical arguments and then just give it all up round two. Put some actual effort in! Otherwise, you're just disrespecting everyone's time.
Also, I literally just challenged Tickbeat on this very topic and plan to attack the debate from a completely different angle, so that disproves your contention that this debate would have been forgotten without someone half-assing a defense.
Also, to further mention, I only posted that because I wanted me and a stranger to have access to ranked arguments, there is no real debates within casual, it's just makes no difference what so ever.
First of all, I'm am not a troll. This website is dead as a fly that was hit multiple times by a flyswatter. Also, if it wouldn't of been for me accepting this, this would have been forgotten, besides, I actually found evidence, but still, it's a lose-lose argument. "Whether the metric or imperial system is better depends on various factors1. The metric system offers advantages in terms of standardization and global consistency, while the Imperial system retains significance in certain contexts and cultures. For specific applications, such as drill bits, metric or imperial may be preferred based on hole size."
"I suppose there aren't almost any people who genuinely disagree with me on this, and if they didn't, they'd know they probably wouldn't have enough logic to back up their claim, so this might be a while..."
I would agree with you here, and I think that's why the person who accepted this debate is clearly a troll. Just look at their debate history. Right now they're trying to argue that PronHub should be shown in schools.
That being said, I think there is an interesting argument to be made for the Con position here. I don't know if I'll actually win, but I'd like to try. If you start a new debate on this topic with me, I promise not to troll, forfeit, or concede. My only precondition is that you increase the argument time to at least one week and the voting time to at least one month.
I will test my ignorance with this.
I agree. The only argument I can even think of for the imperial system is that maybe, MAYBE, it is slightly more accurate and that it is more natural than the metric, but that is it.
Just to be clear,
Imperial Standard means Imperialism and "conquer all enemies" and "spread the Imperialist light throughout the world".
Can you change topic to:
"Democratic system is objectively better than the Imperial Standard"
Can you change topic to:
"Democratic system is objectively better than the Imperial Standard"
With you as Pro???????
I suppose there aren't almost any people who genuinely disagree with me on this, and if they didn't, they'd know they probably wouldn't have enough logic to back up their claim, so this might be a while...