Instigator / Con

WyIted

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Topic

#5405

Pimping is easy (reserved for fishchaser)

Status

Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

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After 2 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

FishChaser

Tags

hoes

pimp

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Publication date: 03.28.2024 02:08PM
Last updated date: 05.16.2024 05:52PM
Type: Rated
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 2,222
Voting period: One month
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open
Minimal rating: None

Contender / Pro

FishChaser

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Description

I will argue in this debate that pimping is hard. It's not as easy as some people make it out to be. My opponent must argue that pimping is easy.

definitions

pimping- the action or practice of controlling prostitutes and arranging clients for them, taking part or all of their earnings in return.

Round 1

WyIted

03.29.2024 12:25AM

Con

Pimping hoes isn't easy because it means being an expert at several things. Here is a list of rules written by a pimp(his spelling not mine).

1) Alwayz make them need and depend on you so you have power over them. (Power is control)

2) Make them understand that you don't need them they need you, they are replaceable. Never let them no if you need them deep down inside.

3) Never let no1 get away with sneak anything cause once they feel they can get away they will alwayz scheme.

4) No matter how much you like or care for 1 or any of them, don't trust none of them. Like Scarface, who do I trust?? Me that's who...)

5) Alwayz stay 2 step's ahead of the game you have them playin.

6) Don't let them no all your Plan's. But alwayz try 2 no there's.

7) Make sure you own there mind's, body's, and soul's. (N test it out every often 2 make sure.)

8) Keep your bi[?] on the low as possible when it come's 2 family and hater's. (cause you can't trust none of them)

9) Alwayz try 2 no whatz goin on...(Make them tell on each other)

10) Give respect when respect's due... (Follow these rules and you should b gucci.)

https://web.archive.org/web/20220125201038/http://deadspin.com/5935090/the-10-rules-of-pimping-as-written-by-an-actual-alleged-pimp

So according to this. You need to be an expert in psychology, Machiavellianism, and self help guru. Given the money you handle you also need to be know accounting, money laundering skills and some basic knowledge how law enforcement operates.

You need to be cold hearted, have great foresight and be really secretive.

Recruiting girls ( turning hoes out) is going to be hard also. You have to be a good con artist (sales skills).

There are other hard parts of the job not mentioned here as well. Pimps need son basic marketing skills so they can solicit customers. They need to work out their pimp hand, so it stays strong.

Keeping somebody under your complete control requires a lot of energy, because they have to be on an emotional roller coaster. It's required to be a good pimp

FishChaser

03.29.2024 04:04PM

Pro

So according to this. You need to be an expert in psychology, Machiavellianism, and self help guru.

The creator of that list wouldn't even know how to spell those words, never mind being an expert in anything.

Pimping is easy for the right person, not for everyone but "pimping is easy" doesn't need to mean "for everyone" to be true.

1: Target psychologically damaged and slutty women. These women will be more than willing to do the job and easy to manipulate with skills that anyone who is Sociopathic enough can learn and implement.

2: Give them a good deal. There is no rule that says you have to take all the money and dole out crumbs in return, all the hoes will leave their abusive greedy pimps for you if you treat them relatively well and give them a bigger cut and more control of their own money.

3: Be more attractive than other pimps, women will instinctively like, respect and submit to you just for existing.

4: Be rich before you start pimping. This way you can handle the money laundering with ease and attract the type of gold diggers who would make good whores.

If you are a reasonably intelligent and highly attractive Sociopath who was born into a rich family, then pimping is easy thus the proposition that "pimping is easy" is upheld.

Round 2

WyIted

04.03.2024 07:26AM

Con

I showed expert testimony on what skills are needed to successfully pimp in round 1. Here is a refresher;

So according to this. You need to be an expert in psychology, Machiavellianism, and self help guru. Given the money you handle you also need to be know accounting, money laundering skills and some basic knowledge how law enforcement operates. ....cold hearted.....foresight...secretive......marketing...sales and most importantly a strong pimp hand and high emotional intelligence

I pointed out why those skills were needed, and it's important that pro handles those arguments. It's also important to keep in mind that Pro has to prove pimping is easy on average and yet he fails to do that and instead argues that pimping is easy for rich people like Andrew Tate. Pro....... most of us are not Andrew Tate and it can be argued him being rich only helped him temporarily given his recent legal troubles, he will almost assuredly spend a very long time in prison and have his assets stripped. Andrew Tate is a highly skilled chess player which takes a high IQ, so even his wealth, pro fighting ability and superior intellect was not enough to pimp successfully, because it is hard to pimp.

The creator of that list wouldn't even know how to spell those words, never mind being an expert in anything.

In contrast the creator of the list is an actual pimp, an expert in pimping who knows the world of pimping. He does not need a formal education to know pimping because his education is the school of hard knocks.

Target psychologically damaged and slutty women. These women will be more than willing to do the job and easy to manipulate with skills that anyone who is Sociopathic enough can learn and implement.

Ask your dad how easy it is to deal with a damage woman. It's hard

If you are a reasonably intelligent and highly attractive Sociopath who was born into a rich family, then pimping is easy thus the proposition that "pimping is easy" is upheld.

Most people don't fall into this category so I win based on the fact this is essentially a concession that pro cannot prove that pimping is easy on balance

FishChaser

04.03.2024 02:09PM

Pro

I pointed out why those skills were needed

You copy/pasted a list written by someone who doesn't know basic English and then asserted that you have to be an anime character who is a psychopath and has a 200 IQ to be a pimp. All you have to do is be rich and handsome and find women who are vulnerable and whorish.

It's also important to keep in mind that Pro has to prove pimping is easy on average

No, pimping is only viable for certain people but for the people for whom it is viable it is easy. "easy" and "hard" are relative, the fact that speech is impossible for most other species doesn't mean it isn't relatively easy for humans. If we go by your standards, then anything can be hard or easy and it loses all meaning. Instead "pimping is easy" translates to "pimping is easy for those who can pimp".

There is far less skill in pimping than there is luck and privilege. Pimping is easy for a rich handsome guy who knows what women to target and how to interact with them and is impossible for anyone else.

Andrew Tate and it can be argued him being rich only helped him temporarily given his recent legal troubles, he will almost assuredly spend a very long time in prison and have his assets stripped

He had way more of a spotlight on him and made dumb mistakes that only an idiot would make plus what he was doing was very large scale and beyond the scope of normal pimping which made it more risky.

Andrew Tate is a highly skilled chess player which takes a high IQ

Andrew Tate is an idiot. You can have a high IQ while lacking common sense and basic social skills. A good example of this is RationalMadman. IQ only measures how fast you can solve silly puzzles on a piece of paper. It has nothing to do with wisdom, reasoning, creativity, street smarts etc. 99% of what makes someone intelligent or not is beyond the scope of an IQ test.

In contrast the creator of the list is an actual pimp, an expert in pimping who knows the world of pimping.

The creator of the list probably has an intellect which is far below average

Ask your dad how easy it is to deal with a damage woman.

I have more experience with this than him, as normal women were attracted to him. All the women who like me are mentally ill abuse victims

Round 3

WyIted

04.10.2024 02:09PM

Con

Forfeited

FishChaser

04.16.2024 05:52PM

Pro

If pimping was difficult then Wylted wouldn't have been so easily pimped by the secret shadow organization that got him banned.

Barney

04.30.2024 04:17AM

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@Benjamin

@FishChaser

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WyIted

03.30.2024 09:00PM

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@7000series

This is a debate because as a society we have many people who disagree as to whether pimping is easy or not

7000series

03.30.2024 07:06PM

Why is this a debate

7000series

03.28.2024 02:53PM

????

WyIted

03.28.2024 02:08PM

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@FishChaser

Here you go

Barney

04.19.2024 06:28PM

Criterion

Con

Tie

Pro

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

I found this here debate about farming tools when searching for the word "hoe" at the library a couple towns over.
I cannot help but feel both sides went off topic with their big city slang; but at least they respect their heritage, by using the word Pimpf from the fatherland.

To do the work of a Pimpf may or may not be easy, but the need to trick young ladies into hoeing the farm for you, in it and of itself suggests that work might be hard. Or maybe they're looking for a future wife who knows the meaning of a days labor, since hoeing is much harder for the fairer sex.

On the other hand, the man who called it hard got drafted by Uncle Sam, and Uncle Sam wouldn't do that if the work on his farm was too much for his family...

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Jokes aside, conduct for forfeiture. Leaving arguments tied due to how unclear it is with the on balance issue but also with career pimps being shown to be unintelligent via their own words, while at the same time they have some natural talent... Some analysis of risk to reward could have tipped this.

Benjamin

04.16.2024 07:31PM

Criterion

Con

Tie

Pro

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

CON used a source, whom he claims is an actual pimp. But PRO takes the argument point. It just sounds common sense that you can be a pimp without much skill, if you have that status and luck.