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7000series

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#5284

In a real life combat situation, what is Mario's best power up?

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Winner

After 3 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

Benjamin

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Publication date: 02.28.2024 02:41PM
Last updated date: 04.07.2024 10:10PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 4
Time for argument: Two days
Max argument characters: 3,000
Voting period: One month
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

Benjamin

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Description

The propeller suit is Mario's best power-up for a real life combat situation. That is my claim.
So to win this debate, you must give me an example of a power-up that would be better suited for a real life combat situation.

You can use power-ups from any Mario game released by Nintendo.

Round 1

7000series

02.28.2024 04:21PM

Pro

My logic:

In a real life combat situation, escape is almost always your best option.

The propeller suit allows a quick and easy escape onto any nearby ledges.

Thus, the propeller suit is Mario's best power-up for a real life combat situation.

The propeller suit could also be used as an offensive tool, if the need would arise.

Imagine activating the propeller suit in conjunction with an uppercut.

Your opponent would literally go flying.

I rest my case.

Benjamin

02.28.2024 05:03PM

Con

In a real life combat situation, the enemy may have a gun, so the propeller suit will not bring you of harms way. The Invincibility Leaf does as its name suggest and makes you totally invincible to all harm, except falling into lava or out of the world, which is not an issue in real life. Moreover, anything you touch will be defeated instantly. You also gain the ability to hit with your tail and even fly and glide after a brief run up. The invincibility leaf is superior in every way to the propeller suit.

Round 2

7000series

02.28.2024 09:21PM

Pro

You won. . .

OR DID YOU???

The Merriam Webster dictionary defines best as:

Offering or producing the greatest advantage, utility, or satisfaction.

In a real life combat situation, what is Mario's best power up?

Landing a flying uppercut would result in high levels of satisfaction.

Thus, the propeller suit is Mario's best power-up for a real life combat situation.

Benjamin

02.28.2024 10:37PM

Con

You won't feel all that satisfied when your arm gets sliced right before the uppercut with knife or when you are shot while running at them. To be invincible is going to be really satisfied. Plus you are ignoring the other words in the definition. The Invincibility Leaf provides orders of magnitute great advantage in a combat situation. With the proppeler suit a random thug could beat you if he got lucky or had a weapon. With the Invincibility Leaf you could reverse-jump the entire mafia. That will give you a very satisfying sense of power.

Round 3

7000series

02.29.2024 01:45AM

Pro

This is how the US government would deal with somebody in a propeller suit:

A crazy man in a propeller suit is spotted in a suburban neighborhood.
Some police officers show up at the man's house to assess his mental stability.
The police officers then perform a drug test and leave.

This is how the US government would deal with an invincible raccoon hybrid:

Animal control receives reports of a raccoon hybrid.
Animal control tranquilizes the wild beast without a hiccup.
The government takes the KO'd raccoon hybrid off to a secret base in Alaska.
Remember, the invincibility leaf does not give one the ability to break out of a cell made with solid steel.
Now there is a new urban legend about the invincible raccoon man.

Benjamin

02.29.2024 02:55AM

Con

PRO is getting desperate. He understands that the propeller suit is not the best power up for a real life combat scenario, so now he tries to seqway into analysis of long-term consequences. But the resolution clearly only asks about what power up would be best there and then when the bad guy aims a weapon at you. Everything afterwards is outside the scope of the debate. That said, the propeller suit is probably illegal, unless you have a licence to build and operate flying machines. When it comes to the Invincibility Leaf, while it does make you invincible, that effect is only temporary, until the end of the level, or in this case, the real life combat situation. Afterwards it vanishes. Why would the government even believe a story about a ginormous invincible racoon. That argument doesn't make much sense. Even if they shoved up when the fight was already over, all they would find is a normal human. They would assume that either the racoon left or was just made up. But if it was permanent like PRO claimed, even better. You just take off the cumbersome racoon suit and now you have invincibility for the rest of your life with no downsides. PRO claims Mario could not escape from a steel prison, but remember, this is a guy who crushes brick walls with his bare hands, and who casually carries around metric tonnes of gold while sprinting. And with my power up, he can defeat dinosaurs just by touching them with his fingers. Of course he could break free from whatever prison they put him in. And unless he let them they could not even capture him to begin with.

Round 4

7000series

02.29.2024 10:04PM

Pro

You won. . .

OR DID YOU???

See, the invincibility leaf is powered by Mario's previous deaths, but in real life, nobody re-spawns.

Even if you got the invincibility leaf without dying first, it simply wouldn't work.

In a real life combat situation, what is Mario's best power up?

NOT THE INVINCIBILITY LEAF

Benjamin

03.01.2024 09:34AM

Con

PRO has conceeded that the Invincibility Leaf is the superior power up for real life self defense. Now he argues that you wouldn't be able to obtain it in real life which is a meaningless Kritik, since we are assuming that the real life Mario is getting his power ups directly from his games, and doesn't have to replicate them in real life using physics and logic.

You can use power-ups from any Mario game released by Nintendo.

What part of this line in the description leads PRO to believe that I am limited to the items that Mario could plausibly obtain in the real world? None that I can see, so he is just moving the goalpost. PRO says the Invincibility leaf is powered by your previous deaths. That is not true. Just because the game gives you an item to complete a level you are stuck on, that doesn't mean the leaf is canonnically fueled by the soul of your previous lives. PRO is arbitrarily mixing video game logic and real life logic to make his argument. I can do the same to crush his case. Just look at the propeller suit, it is just a helmet with a propeller. That wouldn't work in real life either. There is no space for a motor, and if the propellers did spin the helmet would just rip your head. This is because the neck cannot support the weight of the entire body, especially not when accelerating upwards. If we assume the items work like in the games, like we should, then the Invincibility Leaf is way better.

But if voters still buy into PRO's argument, consider the Mario Star. It too makes Mario invincible, as well as faster and able to run through brick walls. And this is an item you pick up from lucky boxes, not one you get at the start of the level. So there is no feasible way for PRO to argue that real life Mario cannot obtain it. And it too is better than the propeller suit.

Conclusion

There is no way in hell that the propeller suit is Mario's best power up for real life combat situations. Therefore, PRO loses.

Barney

04.07.2024 10:10PM

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@Benjamin

Exactly komrade, further we shall all receive equal shares of the food. Some of us are just more equal than others... And by giving it to me, I shall ensure it trickles down to everyone; even those in Ukraine shall be fed in this manner... Well, fed their "equal" share, which is in no way genocide.

Benjamin

04.07.2024 10:02PM

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@Barney

"We have investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing".

Barney

04.07.2024 10:01PM

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@Benjamin

@7000series

Been over a month, no other mod is getting to it... But of course anyone is welcome to appeal.

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Barney

04.04.2024 02:09AM

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@baggins

The fancy uppercut would help in combat situations. Saying one option doesn't help except for one thing, leaves the other option worse for not even having one thing listed.

Please add a touch more comparative detail to your votes.

WyIted

03.02.2024 12:14PM

Anyone who. Doesn't pick cat suit is an idiot.

Mharman

03.02.2024 03:25AM

Man that vote took longer than I wanted it to

Mharman

03.02.2024 03:05AM

Hmmmm I seem to recall this debate being rated, and that's why I was going to vote on it. My goal was to only vote on rated debates.

I'll break my own rule here because this topic is goated; besides, it should be an easy vote.

Mharman

02.29.2024 01:42AM

Goated debate. An instant classic if it goes all rounds without forfeits or a concession.

7000series

02.28.2024 09:36PM

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@RationalMadman

The propeller suit isn't a freak weapon.
The propeller suit could be built using earthling tech.

RationalMadman

02.28.2024 06:52PM

There is no best option, he would be arrested for possession of a freak weapon or experimented on if they assumed his drug-enhanced performance was natural and he is a freak of nature.

He is using banned substances either way.

Barney

02.28.2024 04:29PM

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@7000series

You rest your case?
https://youtu.be/Sf5C24wP5Pk?si=yb9UfxCmahJdPSdO&t=130

Best.Korea

02.28.2024 02:55PM

I think ability to move or think is a better superpower.

baggins

03.05.2024 10:15AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

The leaf is superior for combat situations because it helps with the actual combat not just merely escaping like CON pointed out or trying a fancy uppercut.

Mharman

03.02.2024 03:25AM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

In round one they stated the merits of their powerups. Pro went with the propeller mushroom because it could be used for an escape, or for landing devastating uppercuts. Con went with the Invincibility Leaf because of its ability to make the user invincible, and defeat any enemy the user touches. Con also makes the point that the propeller mushroom does not make you immune to bullets.

Based on these merits, I'd give the edge to Con, as I think being invincible renders the need for flight useless, although Con did mention you could fly with the leaf as a bonus.

Pro needed to find a new angle in Round 2, and they attempted that with the argument that a propeller-powered punch would be satisfying. It's a weak argument given that it stretches the definition of "best," and Con points that out in Round 2. Con reiterates the lack of invincibility with the propeller mushroom, which has yet to be addressed by Pro at this point.

In Round 3, Pro's next angle is a hypothetical situation, doing anything they can to avoid rebutting their opponent. Con disputes Pro's scenario, but I don't think it matters given that they pointed out it's outside of the scope of the debate, to which I will agree, given that the main objective of a combat situation is to survive.

Round 4: Pro goes for an argument based on how the Invincibility Leaf is acquired, but Con shuts it down by pointing out method of obtainment is irrelevant, and that this debate is about which powerup is better once obtained.

I give this debate to Con. Con had the advantage to begin with by the merit of their pick (Invincibility Leaf grants a similar flight ability to Propeller Mushroom, and adds death touch and invincibility to boot), but Pro ultimately lost this debate because they couldn't find a stronger angle to rebut Con, instead trying to use semantics and irrelevant arguments outside of the scope of the debate to move the goalposts, which told me they didn't have a concrete rebuttal.

Barney

03.01.2024 04:26PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

Fun topic
If doing this again I suggest the description includes a little about how these things work in real life, and if it’s Mario or yourself using it.

That leaf sounds stupidly overpowered, with great versatility. I’m not sure how a tranq is expected to take it down.
Uppercutting with the propeller, aside from risk of self harm, was leaned on way too heavily when there’s so many creative uses for that thing.