Islam

Jesus being God in the flesh/divine Son of God

The virgin Mary/Virgin birth

The death/resurrection of Christ from crucifixion

I see many folks that believe in God , believe certain things about God and yet preface those things with "if".

I understand the Islam religion accepts God as the creator. So it's being that God is the creator of everything then how could God be in flesh?

Well does the Islam religion believe that all things are possible with God? Do Islam folks believe God is Almighty?

The biblical scriptures support this. This is where and why I see the disagreement comes in on who or what God is. 

A God that has created all things can certainly use that mighty power to be manifested in flesh as the biblical scriptures teach and hideth himself as well as filling heaven and earth. Flesh is on earth so why couldn't God fill flesh?

Does the Islam belief accept what God can do?

Apparently all members in the Islam faith don't as I've heard biblical discussions on this with the NOI being in the negative on the virgin birth.

Maybe the nation is a different thing. If you don't have anything on that or know about why there would be disagreement, we can scratch this sub topic off the list.

The bible teaches the account of Jesus hung and slew on a tree(cross), whom they have pierced and out came blood and water.

Now you say testimonies are not the most reliable source but they're biblical which you say is valid.

Someone testifies and witnesses something. Their testimony serves as a witness.

The scriptures teach the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

Does Islam accept the witness of God of his only begotten Son ?

Likewise God being capable of raising up a prophet as the scripture says, that prophet says "but this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.” That same God that gave his only begotten Son, the flesh that he will give for the life of the world.

So it appears to be me that Islam takes some of the scripture as true or believes parts.  

The big disagreement there is with taking only part . Why is some of it taken and the rest not taken for the sake basis which really comes down to belief?

This is interesting because we can flush out the distinction between "Christianity" a man made invented religion versus the holy religion outlined biblically.

Now because this thing called Christianity is an umbrella of denominations with multiple different sectors, I suppose it will have multiple different answers for the question above.

But according to the scriptures, it teaches that God is from everlasting to everlasting. It said all things were made by him and without him not anything was made. So God was never created according to the scripture. 

I believe it says in Revelation 3 about the beginning of the creation of God or God's creation.

This wasn't even my point but I'll point out an observation right here from what you said.

I think this is another disagreement in Islam. From what I'm getting so far, Islam relies on logic and the understandings limited to it. Where people that follow the teachings of Christ and the biblical scriptures, it goes passed your own understanding and that they receive their wisdom and understanding from the spirit see.

Also I can conclude that this is the reason some things are rejected of Islam over the scriptures due to actually not receiving understanding from God but just based on what they can understand and naturally rationalize.

Let's just get down to the point. Do you or Islam folks find it impossible that Almighty God can fill flesh like he fills earth?

The bible is the reference used to draw the disagreements so it's relevant and will be referred to .

So I guess the short answer is no. Islam folks don't believe God is Almighty and that nothing is impossible for God. Islam believes it's impossible to fill flesh. Maybe fill all of earth but not flesh. 

Mind you we're not talking about the holiness of God according to the scriptures. God can't do anything that will be against that. Let's not get that twisted with the idea of limited power. 

So big disagreement people will have, particularly Christian or holiness folks will have with Islam is that you believe in a finite God and it's really their own logic tripping them up.

Since the recurring subject here is logic, logic,logic, is it not logical , would it not stand to reason or would it not make sense that a God creator of all things, let every soul be subject unto the higher powers, have the power to do impossible things?

Mind you impossible things to people. This is why people in the holy faith believe that they can do all things through Christ that strengthens them. They also believe their own wisdom is foolishness to God so they don't dictate, decide, rationalize themselves what is and isn't possible for God .So So as we can see this is a huge divide and disagreement with what Islam holds.

It's like Islam has made their own god according to them .

Well it's not even about "know". Is this why Islam rejects the death of Jesus Christ because they're hung up on "knowing " it was Jesus Christ? 

I think I pointed this out . Islam in spite of what you've been saying, doesn't really believe in the scriptures. See because the scriptures say to be believe on him as the scriptures have said. Where in the scriptures does it teach that God will deceive you about the death of his son?

See instead believing the scripture, it appears Islam is relying on what they know perhaps swayed by the Quran walking by sight.

Although according to the centurion in the book "When the centurion standing there in front of Jesus saw how He had breathed His last, he said, "Truly this man was the Son of God!" "

The bible is valid but is not totally reliable to Islam is that right? 

Isn't something that is valid true and correct?

So what kind of truth exists that is unreliable?

You can always rely on truth opposed to falsehood.

So really in summary even before we've reached the end of this debate, I can see how and where the disagreement comes in with Islam.

They have a God that really is not mightier than them or not much than. You have demonstrated that by only having a God that can only exist to fit what can only logically make sense of, argue of by arguing limitations and possibilities, arguing logic to the point that it shuts out or rejects anything that absolutely cannot fit into the finite reasoning of man.

To bring it to the main point, biblical testimonies are valid according to you as you said the bible is valid.

According to the scriptures it proves things not seen. Valid according to you , I guess rejected by Islam.

Anything that is proven and has been proven has been done so with what is called evidence.

Please answer yes or no to this question. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay.

Is this what people in Islam know or believe?

Do they believe or know that some of the texts that were inspired didn't include the witness of God of his son that died, was buried and resurrected? How so? How do they believe or know which is which?

Can you provide the Quran reference and QUOTE it in this debate? Don't just reference it, please quote it likewise to me quoting the scriptures.

I'm going to tell you right now, people leaning on their logic and understanding WILL always see the bible as contradictory.

So interesting. Just think about it. Doing something like creating all the planets and everything, causing a virgin to be with child. Impossible as far what man can do. Islam believes the power of God created all that but can't accept that power to be at work inside a man. 

Islam hears the word and doesn't believe. Reminds me of the parable about seed hitting the ground not taking root.

You are just making assertions or preaching at best. This is a debate. 

The bible is not a math book. It's not a science book, logical book, natural book. 

To those that BELIEVE of course, it is a spiritual book. A book of life. A book of words , they are spirit, they are life. So those that believe search the scriptures in which is thought to have eternal life.

I think we've pretty much covered everything in this topic.

Well long story short because of time and character limitation, the biblical scriptures doesn't teach all this of what you just stated . I understand you may receive this from the man made religion of Christianity but far from the truth it is and this is not a topic on the trinity so I will leave it there.

Jesus being God in the flesh/divine Son of God 

So you're interpretation of that was trinity. You see not one word in there  says "trinity ". That was your read on it. You pretty much read that into it.

Jesus being God in the flesh is simply that is what I meant. There's no ambiguity at all. We speak plainness of speech.

Jesus being God in the flesh. Jesus was the son of God, was he not?

When he was asked about himself, "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? "

He was Jesus the Son of God. Jesus the Son was flesh and blood. I'm just want to break this down for what it is. 

See I think you've been hit with false corrupted doctrine and now have been persuaded off the book for what it is. You or Islam, whoever of the two that it applies to have been dissuaded not believing on him as the scripture have said.

Jesus the Son was flesh and blood born of a woman.

Scripture says GOD was manifested in the flesh. So my statement or comment is just pulling from exact words from the book that Islam rejects apparently. 

Now, I didn't use the word "trinity " because I can't pull that from any scripture. I don't add to scripture. I don't add to his pure words as the scriptures says. I leave it just as is in the plain exact words it has said.

This is the error with so called biblical teachers. They themselves add and read things into the text resulting in teaching error.

This is the same error that occured upon reading my topic.

I see this issue frequently when communicating with one another.

"I am not going to address any of your points because you are being intellectually dishonest. You believe in the trinity and this claim. The burden of proof is on YOU. Defend the trinity with logical arguments not "Bible is a spiritual book" and other subjective claims. "

Then you're a copout. You're bearing false witness on me. As the book says the gospel is hid to them that are lost which you or and all of Islam are .

See I'm going to call it like I see it. It's a copout move . You can't debunk anything I've said.

This is why Islam rejects the book hypocritically claiming that parts of it are accepted. You or they try to get understanding from logic.

I don't know how many times I have to say it. The understanding comes from the spirit. If Islam won't accept that, they'll never understand anything truly of the Bible. Having eyes and seeing not, ears and hearing not. Not walking by sight. This has to be understood.