Instigator / Con

Best.Korea

1233

rating

403

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39.45%

won

Topic

#5054

Circumcision is not painful and was never painful

Status

Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

Better arguments

Better sources

Better legibility

Better conduct

After 1 vote and with the same amount of points on both sides...

It's a tie!

Parameters

Publication date: 11.01.2023 02:55PM
Last updated date: 01.02.2024 02:11PM
Type: Rated
Number of rounds: 5
Time for argument: One week
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: Two months
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open
Minimal rating: None

Contender / Pro

Atoktheadvocate

1492

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debates

50.0%

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Description

The burden of proof is on Pro to prove that circumcision is not painful.

If Con makes just one example where circumcision was painful, Pro loses and runs away in shame.

Round 1

Best.Korea

11.02.2023 01:13PM

Con

Since the burden of proof is all on Pro, I will let him do the chatting.

Atoktheadvocate

11.02.2023 01:42PM

Pro

https://www.parkerscheer.com/botched-circumcision/#:~:text=While%20incidents%20of%20injury%20resulting,to%20pain%20and%20erectile%20dysfunction.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1489250/#:~:text=Fourteen%20boys%20have%20died%20as,away%20from%20towns%20and%20villages.

In MOST cases, circumcision goes properly, and doesn't cause long lasting pain. Even in the common case of proper circumcision, it is unnecessary mutilation of a child without consent, and is painful temporarily even if not remembered by the patient.

The two links cited above show that circumcision absolutely can be painful in the long term if performed improperly.

Improper circumcisions can lead to infection, erectile dysfunction, problems with the urethra, and in extreme cases, death.

Proper circumcisions without complications are not only unnecessary, it originated as a sacrificial religious practice. Also, the mutilation of genitalia causes the head of the penis to become desensitized, leading to less pleasure during sex. A circumcized person will never experience sex with the natural lubrication and friction reduction that foreskin provides.

Holding a majority of humans to a standard of religious origin is not only unethical as it goes against their consent, it is barbaric in the modern age.

A long time ago, it may have functioned as a way to prevent infection, since proper bathing was hard to secure for the masses. The pain and few cases of complications could be argued for as necessary evils to prevent future complications due to lack of proper cleaning, but in the modern age, most people have access to facilities to clean themselves and doctors in the case of improper cleaning or stunted foreskin growth.

Long story short, circumcision is an outdated medical practice that originated as a sacrificial ritual and is only still in use today due to tradition and serves no medical purpose. It does cause pain on a temporary basis every time it is done, and can have long lasting negative effects, ranging from decreased sexual pleasure to death. Mutilation is never okay, and circumcision should only be performed if necessary.

Round 2

Best.Korea

11.02.2023 01:59PM

Con

You are Pro. You are supposed to argue that its not painful.

Eh 😅

Atoktheadvocate

11.02.2023 02:17PM

Pro

*Ahemm** Ah yes, of course.

Clearly circumcision isn't painful, it's just chopping the genitals of a kid, they can't feel it anyways. And if they do have some sort of impossible "long-lasting complication" it's not at all because of the circumcision, it's because they just aren't tough enough.

Everyone should be circumcized because my great great great great great grandma likes circumcized penis better than uncircumcised.

It's literally illogical to think that cutting off a part of a person's genitalia could be painful. Everyone knows babies don't have feelings at all, and they only cry because they're not stoic enough. If they can't handle a painless procedure like a circumcision, or are in any way negatively affected by the the procedure, might as well sacrifice them to the Volcano God, it's all for the betterment of the species.

Why would we do it if it could cause long lasting detriment to health and certainly cause pleasure to decrease for the person? So of course that's fake news, everyone knows circumcisions are completely necessary and painless, otherwise we would have stopped doing them when we left the stone age.

The fact that we do them at all is undeniable proof that they are painless, 10000% necessary procedures.

Obviously, anyone with a brain can tell that circumcisions are needed and NOT at ALL sacrificial rituals with no medical purpose that lead to a decrease in life satisfaction and potentially death.

If someone dies and they happened to have had a circumcision and infection of the penis and lost their penis in the process and had to surgically have it removed, it is in no way related to them having their penis cut a little bit, it's just a little snip. Correlation is NEVER indicative of a possible causation.

Thanks for coming to my TedXTalk.

Praise be to the Circumcision

Round 3

Best.Korea

11.02.2023 04:44PM

Con

I suggest we agree to a tie.

Atoktheadvocate

11.02.2023 06:28PM

Pro

I have no qualms with the outcome of a debate, a tie, a loss, or a win, what's important is that the information makes it to the world.

Round 4

Best.Korea

11.02.2023 06:55PM

Con

Cool

Atoktheadvocate

11.03.2023 12:44AM

Pro

looC

Round 5

Best.Korea

11.03.2023 12:56PM

Con

Good debate.

Atoktheadvocate

11.03.2023 02:11PM

Pro

#10

For sure.

Atoktheadvocate

11.02.2023 01:50PM

My apologies for misreading, I was supposed to argue that circumcision is not painful, and I did the opposite. No one with a brain can argue that, so I will concede, I'm in a position that has no way to win.

Savant

11.03.2023 02:31PM

Criterion

Con

Tie

Pro

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Debaters agreed to a tie