"I think this is about asking for an apology."
I couldn't follow how this answers the question.
Do you think I mean my apology upon expressing of my own thought process and conscience or not?
Do you believe I'm sincere in my apology giving it upon my own rumination?
"Well, easy."
One nail in the coffin.
"I prefer torture."
Ok, do you agree that upon doing something wrong, given the time to think on it and decide to express solemn regret, is that what it is?
"To make you fear and put you in your place, obviously. "
This is your response to"I don't respect you. If I did, why do you ask for respect?".
Why ask for something you already have? Keywords "If I did".
"Its like when parents make their children apologize even when no one is really sorry."
This is just an example of what I'm talking about. It's illogical. You're pretty much saying right here, making or instructing someone to apologize constitutes no real apology. Therefore you don't ask, tell or instruct this. It has to be from the heart all on it's own or else it doesn't mean anything.
"Yes. Otherwise, why would I ask?"
I don't know. You'd have to tell that why you would as you're asking is subjective to you.
In other words to me, just because I want something, it has nothing to do with asking. Wanting and asking are two different things, but that's me.
Love is not something to be asked for. It's either there or it isn't. You get it based on what another has to give you. Asking it out of somebody like it can just be manufactured is false.
"Those who ask are those who get."
That's not the way love works. Would you sacrifice your life for someone ?
"Yes, if you want to be in friend zone."
Another nail in the coffin.
"Yes, but if the other side is shy, you will never get anywhere."
What does shyness have to do with this?
"If I'm being directed by everything you want me to do for you, how to care for you, am I an instrument, puppet , tool for your benefit or do I genuinely have a feeling driving me to do for you?
Maybe, but it doesnt make difference to me."
Maybe what? Am I a tool to your benefit or am I genuine?
"I dont, but it doesnt need to be. If someone is not sorry, at least he will be humiliated by forced apology."
Makes another nail in the coffin.
"Yes. How long do I have to wait for that? Forever?"
Makes another nail in the coffin. As far as the timing, the logic to that part is, you can decide yourself to forgive applicably. This leaves you free of grudges instead of waiting on someone else to supposedly give you a reason to.
Oh the discussion is getting deep. But I ain't Swami.
"Is it true by the decision in their mind, they've thought out the reason for apologizing versus you just giving a direction like a puppeteer?
Yes"
Another nail in the coffin.
"It doesnt need substance. I want an apology."
Substance is what makes something genuinely what it is. Are you saying you don't want an actual apology?
"Umm yeah, its those who ask who get. Even the Bible says so."
Perceive what love is. The bible teaches perceive we the love of God for he laid down his life".
Love is action. It doesn't come on demand. You logically can't ask or demand love. That's not what love is, not true love. Just like fake laughter or fake happiness. Asking myself for happiness doesn't come that way. It's either there naturally or it isn't.
"One can have both, but its mostly the first one."
There are two different contexts. I ask someone do they love me? I'm not asking them to give me love.
If I ask do you have money, I'm not asking to give me money. One is only asking somebody do they have something. Do you get the difference now?
"No. I am just saying that asking for respect has benefits."
Do you believe it's real respect when asking for it?
Isn't respect supposed to be earned or asked for?
"Yes. "
Another nail in the coffin.
"However, currently, we are debating "asking respect vs not asking respect". We are not debating "respect vs fear".
Your position is that asking respect is illogical. I have already explained that asking respect can make people fear you, and if people fearing you is your goal, then asking respect is logical."
Ok another topic.
"As long as people are afraid, tyrants will rule. So yeah, fear is good."
Confirms a false respect. So when you want true or actual respect, don't do anything to go backwards of that.
Fear works so much better than respect.
Yes, it is logical.