Instigator / Pro

Best.Korea

1233

rating

403

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39.45%

won

Topic

#5023

Atheism is the best religion

Status

Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

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After not so many votes...

It's a tie!

Parameters

Publication date: 10.22.2023 06:23PM
Last updated date: 11.08.2023 12:17PM
Type: Rated
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: Two days
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: Two weeks
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open
Minimal rating: None

Contender / Con

Intelligence_06

1737

rating

172

debates

73.26%

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Round 1

Best.Korea

10.23.2023 10:46AM

Pro

Its the best because you are free to worship whoever you want in atheism. There is no specific set of Gods you have to worship. You can even pretend that you worship Jesus to fool Christians. So its cool, yeah.

Another great argument I can think of is that in atheism, there is more freedom because there is no God to tell you what to do and what not to do.

Intelligence_06

10.24.2023 07:23AM

Con

Religion definition
1: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
2 a(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural
(2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
b: the state of a religious
3: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
4 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS

Religious definition
1: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity
2: of, relating to, or devoted to religious beliefs or observances
3a: scrupulously and conscientiously faithful
b: FERVENT, ZEALOUS

By definition, "Atheism" devotes to nothing, so atheism is not a religion, thus the topic is proven false.

Round 2

Best.Korea

10.24.2023 10:38AM

Pro

Thats obviously wrong.

You can worship Lucifer and still be an atheist.

Intelligence_06

10.25.2023 12:04AM

Con

You can worship Lucifer and still be an atheist.

Luciferianism - Wikipedia

Luciferianism is a belief system that venerates the essential characteristics that are affixed to Lucifer, the name of various mythological and religious figures associated with the planet Venus. The tradition usually reveres Lucifer not as the devil, but as a destroyer, a guardian, liberator,[1] light bringer or guiding spirit to darkness,[2] or even the true god.[1]

How?

Also, this would be akin to saying:

Teacher: The movie industry is run by bureaucrats and very corrupt.
Student: What? My father works at hollywood and he is not corrupt at all.

By just giving a counterexample of what could be atheism, does not fundamentally change the fact that atheism is not a belief system revolved around something supernatural, but a set of beliefs regarding the lack thereof. By definition, Atheism is not a religion, I rest my case.

Round 3

Best.Korea

10.25.2023 10:22AM

Pro

But you can be an atheist and summon demons because demons are not Gods.

Intelligence_06

10.25.2023 12:17PM

Con

But you can be an atheist and summon demons because demons are not Gods.

By that means we are essentially calling Judaism a non-religion for that they are worshipping YHWH, not "God". Muslims worship "Allah", just to give another example.

Changing the name does not alter the fact that demons are still nevertheless supernatural, and so-called "Satanism" would still be a religion revolved around a supernatural being that isn't God but nevertheless supernatural anyways.

This is on top of that "Summoning demons" does not require faith, unlike "summoning Jesus's voice".

https://www.wikihow.com/Summon-a-Demon

Although a "non-credible" source, it has been verified by internet users suggesting that yes, people generally accept that the practices shown here are known as "summoning the demon". Inspecting the steps makes you find out that no, it only requires you to find wack stuff around your house and whack it a bunch while thinking about it(just like you'd need to think about the leap of faith in a 10m diving contest), but never the requirement that you are of any denomination of paganism, that you need to be devoted pre-ritual.

And no, just thinking something exists doesn't equate to being religious. An atheist could simply try to imagine that a demon indeed exists and follow the steps only to find out nothing appears, it does not contradict the fact that summoning a demon doesn't make one religious and that atheism doesn't involve religion by definition.

That is all I need to say, any more and I'd be repeating my own points. See ya, I guess?

Best.Korea

11.07.2023 12:22AM

Oh well.

Best.Korea

11.05.2023 09:13PM

Well, are there any voters left on this site?

Best.Korea

11.04.2023 12:27PM

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@Inappropriate

Thank you. I do try, its not all good looks and lazyness.

Inappropriate

11.04.2023 03:26AM

It is really funny that the topic of the discussion initially contains a logical error, because the teaching that opposes itself to the very concept of religion is called religion

Best.Korea

11.03.2023 11:57PM

This needs votes!

Best.Korea

10.23.2023 08:41PM

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@Intelligence_06

Thats funny, but voters should probably not take comments into consideration.

Intelligence_06

10.23.2023 03:10AM

And I think the Mclaren F1 is the best lorry for how fast it goes.