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Society is antihuman or at least consist of antihuman activity.
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After not so many votes...
It's a tie!
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Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.
This is a topic that may or may not be controversial. These indicators are true but the opposing side may object to labeling society as an anti human society. I understand there's give and take. There's things that work for and go against society.
It's up to the opposing side to challenge, question and argue against the indicators I bring forth as anti human areas of people activity. You know argue how they are not anti human indicators.
Round 1
This is a topic that may or may not be controversial. These indicators are true but the opposing side may object to labeling society as an anti human society. I understand there's give and take. There's things that work for and go against society.
The following indicators have been identified.
Homosexuality, abortion, death penalty, drugs and liquor, artificial dietary ingredients and chemicals, non-nutritious diet, non constructive behavior and language, non constructive social contact, non constructive contact and war.
This is not exhaustive and invites expansion at any given time.
1. Homosexuality
Why is homosexuality anti human or why does it go against society?
It is the very act that misuses or changes a biological function in which humans would be able to survive or continue to survive.
2. Abortion
Abortion goes against what humans are which are living organic mobile beings. This can be deemed as part of the same coin with abortion and homosexuality being each of the two sides of that coin. Human survival is compromised.
3. Death Penalty
Now on the third indicator, there's a connection here with derailing life to continue. The possibilities that could occur with human life contributing another or to another is eliminated with the death penalty. I'll grant in certain cases like abortion may work best for society. An example for the death penalty working best would be if it is indeed impossible and verifiable that the convicted empirically proven in a court of law of first degree murder cannot be contained. They've broken out of prison more than once and one of those occasions there was a second premeditated murder.
4. Drugs and liquor
These are the drugs that produce a non constructive effect. Now we get into constructive and non constructive which are determined by our lives being built up, prolonged versus shortened and torn down.
Example drunk driving to injure yourself and or others to the point of fatality. Being intoxicated under the influence of any substance that will impair and diminish the organic composition .
5. Artificial dietary ingredients and chemicals
These are chemicals used to mimic a taste such as the taste of a fruit but provide no nutritional value which depletes nutrition if not compensated elsewhere. These chemicals that are derived from toxic sources and are toxic in nature also provide a look to food for cosmetic appeal. All of this is a degradation gradually tearing down the body. Non constructive indeed. This is why an organic less processed diet is pushed or encouraged.
6. Non-nutritious diet
This is a continuation from the last point, point number 5. Chemicals in place that provide no nutritional value for perhaps taste. Then we have prepared items that are saturated in unhealthy measures containing things like sugar, sodium, saturated fat, trans fat. I have read that saturated fat may not or is not much of a culprit as made out to be. But for the classic traditional perception of it that is negative, I mean it in that expression of the point. All of these elements impact negatively on the body. I'm sure the opposing side is familiar with diabetes, hypertension and cardiovascular disease.
6. Non constructive behavior and language
This is of course in summary of everything else that has been itemized so far. Every last one of them are non constructive behaviors. How do they occur? From thought, to SPEECH(language) to ACTION(behavior). All non constructive from choosing a non constructive activity like gang banging or using language that promotes hostility or provocation from law enforcement.
7. Non constructive social contact
This follows up with point 6. All of this is interconnected. I'm going to gangbang with my friends in a gang robbing and taking, that's not constructive. I proceed to move towards a person I can see will bring about a hostile argument or I know this from the past, trying to fit in with the crowd is a no -no. So anybody inviting me out for a so called good time may be a no-go.
8. Non constructive contact
Now this is basically anything from touching a hot stove to being hit by a car. There are many things done in society perhaps unbeknownst to many doing certain things that are actually non constructive contact such as the touch of certain plants, wild animals, chemicals. Many of these things at first glance are seen as recreational like touching a person in the bedroom who has had much touching with others contacted you with a contracted ailment. Other recreational things such as substance use, bodily modifications, rough contact sports, physical stunts and contact with powerful destructive weaponry.
9. War
The latter of the last point segues with the powerful destructive weaponry. Now this is any circumstance. Not just in the military but even in one's neighborhood and or household.
There can be more areas that I didn't say to include but all are interconnected. Coincidentally it's 9 areas like the 9 areas of activity Mr. Neely Fuller Jr . has written about. In alphabetical order and that is economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war.
I make mention because of a sub title for a book of his. It's a textbook, workbook for thought, speech and action. The essence is similar with constructive and non constructive behavior. That is whatever you do is from what you think. Which may be a lack of thought on one thing and more on another. So you think which you can communicate into words which can be practically performed.
So coming down to what you do, is it constructive?
Does it have a constructive effect or a non constructive effect?
In terms of this topic, is it antihuman?
So we can get into this. We go in depth to figure the determination to label these 9 itemized areas properly.
I'm looking for the opposing sides to counter with questioning, explaining how all these areas activity, each one of the nine are constructive and are not antihuman.
- 1. Homosexuality
Why is homosexuality anti human or why does it go against society?It is the very act that misuses or changes a biological function in which humans would be able to survive or continue to survive.
Homosexuality is cute tho. How can something cute be anti human? It simply cannot.
Plus, reproduction is kinda anti human, since it creates more humans who would suffer.
- 2. Abortion
Abortion goes against what humans are which are living organic mobile beings. This can be deemed as part of the same coin with abortion and homosexuality being each of the two sides of that coin. Human survival is compromised
Well, I am not sure why do you want for humans to survive. Most of them are neither cute nor good.
- 3. Death Penalty
Now on the third indicator, there's a connection here with derailing life to continue. The possibilities that could occur with human life contributing another or to another is eliminated with the death penalty. I'll grant in certain cases like abortion may work best for society. An example for the death penalty working best would be if it is indeed impossible and verifiable that the convicted empirically proven in a court of law of first degree murder cannot be contained. They've broken out of prison more than once and one of those occasions there was a second premeditated murder.
Well, death penalty can be abolished. It was abolished in many countries.
- 4. Drugs and liquor
These are the drugs that produce a non constructive effect. Now we get into constructive and non constructive which are determined by our lives being built up, prolonged versus shortened and torn down.Example drunk driving to injure yourself and or others to the point of fatality. Being intoxicated under the influence of any substance that will impair and diminish the organic composition .
Well, I usually drink to forget, so its all good here. I dont do drugs.
- 5. Artificial dietary ingredients and chemicals
These are chemicals used to mimic a taste such as the taste of a fruit but provide no nutritional value which depletes nutrition if not compensated elsewhere. These chemicals that are derived from toxic sources and are toxic in nature also provide a look to food for cosmetic appeal. All of this is a degradation gradually tearing down the body. Non constructive indeed. This is why an organic less processed diet is pushed or encouraged.
Eh, true.
- 6. Non-nutritious diet
This is a continuation from the last point, point number 5. Chemicals in place that provide no nutritional value for perhaps taste. Then we have prepared items that are saturated in unhealthy measures containing things like sugar, sodium, saturated fat, trans fat. I have read that saturated fat may not or is not much of a culprit as made out to be. But for the classic traditional perception of it that is negative, I mean it in that expression of the point. All of these elements impact negatively on the body. I'm sure the opposing side is familiar with diabetes, hypertension and cardiovascular disease.
Eh, true.
- 6. Non constructive behavior and language
This is of course in summary of everything else that has been itemized so far. Every last one of them are non constructive behaviors. How do they occur? From thought, to SPEECH(language) to ACTION(behavior). All non constructive from choosing a non constructive activity like gang banging or using language that promotes hostility or provocation from law enforcement
Well, yes, gang banging is a bit non constructive.
- 7. Non constructive social contact
This follows up with point 6. All of this is interconnected. I'm going to gangbang with my friends in a gang robbing and taking, that's not constructive. I proceed to move towards a person I can see will bring about a hostile argument or I know this from the past, trying to fit in with the crowd is a no -no. So anybody inviting me out for a so called good time may be a no-go.
I like the crowd. But yes, they can mislead you into gangbanging if you are not careful.
- 8. Non constructive contact
Now this is basically anything from touching a hot stove to being hit by a car. There are many things done in society perhaps unbeknownst to many doing certain things that are actually non constructive contact such as the touch of certain plants, wild animals, chemicals. Many of these things at first glance are seen as recreational like touching a person in the bedroom who has had much touching with others contacted you with a contracted ailment. Other recreational things such as substance use, bodily modifications, rough contact sports, physical stunts and contact with powerful destructive weaponry.
Eh, true.
- 9. War
The latter of the last point segues with the powerful destructive weaponry. Now this is any circumstance. Not just in the military but even in one's neighborhood and or household.There can be more areas that I didn't say to include but all are interconnected. Coincidentally it's 9 areas like the 9 areas of activity Mr. Neely Fuller Jr . has written about. In alphabetical order and that is economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war.I make mention because of a sub title for a book of his. It's a textbook, workbook for thought, speech and action. The essence is similar with constructive and non constructive behavior. That is whatever you do is from what you think. Which may be a lack of thought on one thing and more on another. So you think which you can communicate into words which can be practically performed.So coming down to what you do, is it constructive?Does it have a constructive effect or a non constructive effect?In terms of this topic, is it antihuman?So we can get into this. We go in depth to figure the determination to label these 9 itemized areas properly.I'm looking for the opposing sides to counter with questioning, explaining how all these areas activity, each one of the nine are constructive and are not antihuman.
Well, do violent video games count as war?
- economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
Round 2
First off I want to applaud you for actually dealing with the points presented. I appreciate your genuine, key term genuine participation.
Individuals accept these challenges with a psuedo participation thinking all there is to do is to just throw text into a debate. No good when text is there and your mind and arguments aren't in it .
"Homosexuality is cute tho. How can something cute be anti human? It simply cannot.
Apparently how something looks doesn't always mean it works not against you. A wild ferocious animal looks cute. A homicidal serial maniac can look cute.
"Plus, reproduction is kinda anti human, since it creates more humans who would suffer."
This poses an interesting question. Which is more antihuman, producing more humans to suffer into their death, speeding up the death rate by not producing human population or producing more humans to suffer that would cure more or all human suffering to live on suffer free?
"Well, I am not sure why do you want for humans to survive. Most of them are neither cute nor good."
Is abortion antihuman?
"Well, death penalty can be abolished. It was abolished in many countries."
Is the death penalty antihuman?
"Well, I usually drink to forget, so its all good here. I dont do drugs."
Do drugs and liquor work for or against human beings?
"Eh, true"
So for points 5 and 6, you do agree they are antihuman.
"Well, yes, gang banging is a bit non constructive."
"I like the crowd. But yes, they can mislead you into gangbanging if you are not careful."
Looks like you agree with these points as well.
"Well, do violent video games count as war?"
Not as real war. You can say staged, yes.
Overall you gave me some potatoes but I like some meat with these potatoes comrade.
If you don't have any further counter points than provided, this is not so controversial.
It tells another thing. People are comfortable in their antihuman conformity.
Which is not surprising let alone controversial.
I will just deal with points I didnt concede.
This poses an interesting question. Which is more antihuman, producing more humans to suffer into their death, speeding up the death rate by not producing human population or producing more humans to suffer that would cure more or all human suffering to live on suffer free?
Well, so far the humans did not live suffer-free. Life itself is rather anti-human, causing endless cycle of human pain, so abortion is pro human since it breaks the cycle of existence and lets humans live peacefully in non-existence, kinda like when people can no longer be hurt by anything.
Is the death penalty antihuman?
Well, yes.
Do drugs and liquor work for or against human beings?
Well, drugs are bad, yes.
Liquor is fine drinking from time to time.
Round 3
"Well, so far the humans did not live suffer-free. Life itself is rather anti-human, causing endless cycle of human pain, so abortion is pro human since it breaks the cycle of existence and lets humans live peacefully in non-existence, kinda like when people can no longer be hurt by anything."
This is super conflicting. "Life is antihuman " you say so that would mean the life of society is antihuman making an antihuman society which agrees with my position on the topic. Then you say abortion is pro human. But in order to commit abortion, you have to be alive and if you're alive, you have life and "Life is antihuman ".
So abortion can't be pro human where life itself is not. The effects of life are antihuman. You can't have pro human activity out of antihuman life .
"lets humans live peacefully in non-existence"
You have to exist in order to live. Completely conflicted statement you made there. Give this some more thought before you come back.
"Do drugs and liquor work for or against human beings?"
Your response was not clear on if these things work for or against us .
Would you say they work for or against human beings?
Which one?
Thanks.
This is super conflicting. "Life is antihuman " you say so that would mean the life of society is antihuman making an antihuman society which agrees with my position on the topic. Then you say abortion is pro human. But in order to commit abortion, you have to be alive and if you're alive, you have life and "Life is antihuman ".So abortion can't be pro human where life itself is not. The effects of life are antihuman. You can't have pro human activity out of antihuman life .
Abortion destroys life. Life is anti-human. Therefore, abortion destroys that which is anti-human.
Just because life is 99% anti-human doesnt mean that life cant in 1% of cases be pro-human. In case of abortion, abortion is very humane. In my opinion it should be mandatory.
You have to exist in order to live.
Before I started existing, things were peaceful. But as soon as I came into existence, I faced many problems such as foreskin theft, being beaten, having pain from desires. Bad times.
Your response was not clear on if these things work for or against us .
Liquor works for humans. Thats why I wish I was always drunk.
Round 4
"Abortion destroys life. Life is anti-human. Therefore, abortion destroys that which is anti-human."
Is destroying life , anti-life or support of life? Is destroying life in favor of life or against it?
Is destroying life tearing it down or building it up?
"Just because life is 99% anti-human doesnt mean that life cant in 1% of cases be pro-human. In case of abortion, abortion is very humane. In my opinion it should be mandatory."
This is an ad hoc argument. You said nothing about 99 percent before. You added this in changing things up to avoid refutation. So in light of this it means the original point has been refuted.
You just made the admission about abortion in the previous point.
"Before I started existing, things were peaceful. "
They weren't peaceful because peace itself for you didn't exist because you didn't exist. You have to exist before anything exists to you . Everything relates to you as you relate to everything.
"But as soon as I came into existence, I faced many problems such as foreskin theft, being beaten, having pain from desires. Bad times."
If you're calling this antihuman, being born into an anti human society, that agrees with my position on the topic of society being antihuman.
No matter which direction you take this, directly or indirectly, you wind up right back in agreement with me.
But I thank you for participating.
They weren't peaceful because peace itself for you didn't exist because you didn't exist. You have to exist before anything exists to you .
This is false. Peace simply means lack of war and conflict, pain and misery.
So yes, with lack of existence, there is peace.
Round 5
"This is false. Peace simply means lack of war and conflict, pain and misery.
So yes, with lack of existence, there is peace."
You don't exist to have a lack of anything. To have a lack of something is a thing. It's a calculation. A lacking is a deficiency of something that is real that does exist in which you contrast deficiency in existence. You don't exist, war and peace don't exist. They both don't exist. Now if you want a separate debate on that, we can go there.
So going back to the original point, you have to exist in order to live . I'm not allowing you to evade the erroneous point of ""lets humans live peacefully in non-existence".
That's is a contradiction. You live in non-existence as that would mean life itself doesn't exist.
So now that we got that straight, it makes abortion antihuman because you should understand now that there is NO LIFE in NON EXISTENCE. There is no peace , there is not even nothing. Nothing is another calculation called zero.
"Liquor works for humans. Thats why I wish I was always drunk."
People drive drunk and kill themselves in manslaughter striking people and liver disease. All fatality and antihuman so it works against humans.
This is why it's put under "moderation ". It needs a restraint because of its risk and compromise on life to call a spade a spade looking at it for what it is.
You already said "Life itself is rather anti-human, causing endless cycle of human pain".
Right the society of life is antihuman as the topic communicates.
Thank you for the debate.