Rap Battle: Sir.Lancelot vs RationalMadman
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
After 11 votes and with 21 points ahead, the winner is...
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Rated
- Number of rounds
- 4
- Time for argument
- Three days
- Max argument characters
- 10,500
- Voting period
- One month
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
- Minimal rating
- 1,750
(RationalMadman: You aint on my level. We never rap battled as each other, btw. Try it.)
Okay, deal.
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This will be a No-Hold's Barred.
To avoid any errors or confusion, there will be rules and a framework set-up for voters.
Above all else, anyone can vote. But read the rules with careful consideration.
Rules:
1. This is a No-Hold's Barred between both myself and Rational.
2. The actual track for music itself does not count as actual points. Meaning neither me nor Rational can be penalized for choosing a beat the voters do not approve of.
3. All 7 points are assigned to whoever you think won.
4. Voters are not expected to know much about rap, so here are the following qualities you will judge on for both rappers in your RFD.
(On a scale of 1-4)
Lyricism:
Flow:
Diss:
Rhyme:
You will be required to actually read the raps from both sides and analyze your favorite lines.
5. No troll votes or vote-bombing.
You are expected to read the entire rap battle to even be voting.
(Any changes can be made before the acceptance of the debate at the request of Con. No one else aside from RationalMadman can accept, unless stated otherwise by me in the Comments.)
“Then they fucked me over twice in an election, then the owner returned to do the most shit update he could have to the rating system and cucked all us noobsnipers. It catapulted me to the ending you see now.” 1
Because you start fights and run fast.
I mass-debated before you tried it, I said I'd make a new site on the Discord server like a couple weeks before you thought of doin' it yourself with some guy payin' 1K to be a Henchman's sidekick,
You try rated rap battles 'cause you liked my idea and I challenged you and you knew the last win wasn't real 'cause Bella held back a vote, you're easy to provoke and just can't hide it,
Love a sycophant tryna mock his opponent showing love for Barney while having Whitesmoke and Shillton in a gangbang, all at once, stuffed piggy with a wilted chode down the throat...Fucking fake-ass supporter backstabbing failed abortion, sorta dude who's only resource in a battle rap's telling his opponent to choke,
- You incited harassment while a lynch mob did your bidding, just so you could claim you were winning.
- Threatening people who vote against you with retaliation.
- Blackmailing people by threatening to dox them if they don't stop saying mean things to you online.
Great job to both.
Lancelot needs to get better because he did a terrible job.
Rational won this by a large margin
Rational rapped a lot better here
Rational won this for sure
i think rational wins because of their superior skills
rational has better rhyme, lyrics, and flow!
lancelot didn’t do a good job here.
RM took a risk by asking me to vote when he was 7 points ahead. Obligatory "let's see if it pays off" Dodgeball reference.
First Impressions:
This battle is a good example of complex rhyme schemes and metaphors against extremely personal disses with some elements of truth. RM is very versatile as an MC with good lyricism and would probably dominate in a rap cypher, but SL came prepared with 95 theses and is prepared to nail them to RM's front door.
Lyricism:
I'm giving SL a 2 for this and RM a 4. SL has good character references at times, but RM is very focused on metaphors and makes puns on basically everything he says. Maybe needing to explain references should count against him, but RM is very creative here with consistent metaphors, so I'm giving him all 4 points.
Flow:
I'm giving SL a 3 for this and RM a 2. SL breaks lines into smaller chunks, making it easier to see how they flow together, while it often seems like RM is trying to rhyme one paragraph with another paragraph. There are a lot of complex rhymes in the middle which can't be ignored, but it sometimes seems like the length of words and syllables is completely based on finishing RM's train of thought, rather than following a consistent structure. Recognizing that many professional rappers do something similar to this, I'm still giving RM 2 points on flow.
Diss:
SL does well here. There's a history of beef between these two MCs and SL references a lot of it, pointing to specific events that happen. Even though it didn't rhyme with anything, and RM later has a good response, "OMG Barney, you're such a manly man!!" was pretty funny. Both sides use references, but SL uses more of them. While RM will link to something and then use a complex rhyming metaphor, SL tends to stay on topic more to the thing being discussed. While this doesn't allow for many complex rhyme schemes, sometimes simple works best. SL is able to give straightforward criticisms of RM, so I give him a 4 for disses.
RM makes use of a lot of analogies, comparing himself to King Arthur and using complex rhyme schemes. But I'm only evaluating the quality of disses here, not rhymes. RM's strongest line is his comeback about SL's post thanking Barney and whiteflame (although I posted on that thread too so maybe I should take offense to that?) Regardless, these are well-developed analogies that paint a clear picture. However, they mostly come across as threats or taunts that could be used against anyone, not specifically SL. I know that's not always the most important thing in rap battles, but when I have to separate disses from flow and lyricism, there's not much left to evaluate. I give this a 3, since the disses are good, even if they're not always based on real events.
Rhyming:
I looked for the best examples I could find of this from each rapper. SL's best was in R3, because I think he rhymed the most consistently there. "velocity" and "ferocity" were decently impressive rhymes, and "screw up" and "abuse...much" was a good multisyllabic rhyme. There's some loss of consistency since not every line rhymes, but I acknowledge that some of these lines are meant to be hype lines before a verse starts. I give SL's rhyming a 2.
RM has a lot of good examples, most prominently the opening of his R1 when "wetter" is rhymed with 7 other words on two syllables. There are a few slant rhymes, but RM balances very complex rhyme schemes with bars that make sense. I looked to see if these rhymes came at the expense of jumping from one topic to another or not making sense, and that was not the case. Regardless of how he did overall, RM's rhyming was very good, and I'll give it a 4.
Favorite line from SL: "Must hurt that The People chose an anti-semitic racist as President just so they didn't get stuck with you. Couldn’t even woo them with your charm and charisma, everyone was better off when you left."
Favorite line from RM: "Love a sycophant tryna mock his opponent showing love for Barney while having Whitesmoke and Shillton in a gangbang, all at once, stuffed piggy with a wilted chode down the throat"
RM wins 13 to 11, but this is a close one due to the use of very different strategies from each side.
Round 1
Pro
Lyricism: 4
Flow: 2
Diss: 3
Rhyme: 3
Total points: 12
Con
Lyricism: 4
Flow:4
Diss:3
Rhyme: 2
Total points: 13
Winner: Con
Round 2
Pro
Lyricism: 3
Flow: 2
Diss: 4
Rhyme: 2
Total points: 11
Con
Lyricism: 3
Flow: 4
Diss: 4
Rhyme: 3
Total points: 14
Winner: Con
Round 3
Pro
Lyricism: 3
Flow: 4
Diss:4
Rhyme: 2
Total points: 13
Con
Lyricism: 4
Flow: 4
Diss: 4
Rhyme: 4
Total points: 16
Winner: Con
Round 4
Pro
Lyricism: 4
Flow: 4
Diss: 4
Rhyme: 2
Total points: 14
Con
Lyricism: 3
Flow: 3
Diss: 3
Rhyme: 4
Total points: 13
Winner: Pro
Con won 3 out of 4 rounds and scored in total 3 points more in flow and 4 points more in rhyme. Lyricism is equal and Pro had 1 point more in diss.
Con's best round was round 3. Con's round 3 is the best overall round. Pro's best round was round 4.
"You called for me to unleash my wrath.
Now it’s gonna be a fucking bloodbath.
And I’m mopping the floor with you."
Very strong opening from Pro. Sends strong message right at the start, and is one reason why Pro got Lyricism 4 in round 1.
"You try rated rap battles 'cause you liked my idea and I challenged you and you knew the last win wasn't real 'cause Bella held back a vote, you're easy to provoke and just can't hide it,
You run around trying to get under everyone's skin, but under yours is only trauma and overcompensation, my bad I already discussed my dick,
I got my debate count by genuinely efficient moves, you do troll debates for votes to undermine the system I protested and instead of fight it you gave up instantly and decided to act in bad faith and override it"
Very good flow in this one. Lyricism too. However, rhyming is kinda not sensed at all.
"“OMG Barney, you're such a manly man!! 😍😍😍”
“You are the most impressive debater ever! Let me put you on a pedestal so I get your autograph!”
When it comes to bootlicking, this little piggy gives VP Weasel a run for his money.
Always thought he could attract more flies with honey.
Imagine tryna act alpha but doing all that fangirling over Barney and blamonkey."
Very strong diss, although flow didnt continue well after.
"Was bouta vote for you in the Election.
Until you unfriended me over some petty-ass bullshit.
So fuck you. I don’t owe you jack.
How bout you quit smoking that crack."
Probably the strongest diss in entire battle. This is where Pro started having good flow.
"Whiteflame responds to me with care when he aint even mentioned,
Road to hell's paved with you standin' up to the baddest in the land, what good intentions,
I call the shots, Chief mod gets to bendin', I'm the shotcaller you wish you backed, that wilted cunt's got a shrivelled clit, ditched the site to ressurect me, even to my worst enemies, I'm trendin',
Do you see this syllable mastery? Think you can outclass me? I'll smack your face in with a wrench till your jawbone's bendin',"
This is where Con scores perfect in all areas.
"Must hurt that The People chose an anti-semitic racist as President just so they didn't get stuck with you.
Couldn’t even woo them with your charm and charisma, everyone was better off when you left.
Only a small demographic wanted you back.
Stepping to me was a Death Sentence. Warned you it would be a fucking bloodbath, looks like I've had the last laugh.
Don’t you dare wage war on those that vote for me or you’ll quickly regret it."
Strong diss, flow and lyricism. However, surprising lack of rhyme. Still, Pro's strongest round.
Pro was struggling a lot with flow and rhyme. At many places, there is no rhyme at all. At others, the rhyme didnt exactly work out.
In the first two rounds, Pro's flow is basically non-existent. Flow changes in the middle of the round, and doesnt fit with the previous flow. It feels out of place.
Pro scored better in diss. Slightly better than Con.
The lyricism, when we ignore the flow, was great on both sides.
Con had consistently good flow and lyricism in first three rounds. He only seemed to lose flow in round 4.
Overall, Con scored more points and won 3/4 rounds, which is why I am giving win to Con.
@Reason for Vote
Lyricism: RM 2
Lyricism: Lance 1
Flow: RM 1
Flow: Lance 1
Diss: RM 1
Diss: Lance 2
Rhyme: RM 1
Rhyme: Lance 1
RM longer sentences played to lyricism, and if read quick flowed,
Lance shorter sentences flowed and made rhymes more obvious,
But RM rhymes and flow 'also there, just the shorter sentences made Lance's more visually obvious on 'first look,
So still a tie in rhyme and flow, since different methods of reading made either obvious,
Lance focused on diss more than RM, more personal, more sources, 'seemed like,
If there was a brag category, might be I would have put RM a higher point for that.
@NoOneInParticular
Too much profanity, personal insults, styles of bragging, for my liking.
I suppose I like 'some rap, but not 'generally speaking.
See comments
People don't know how to read. All 7 points go to the winner.
Lyricism: 4:2. RM
Flow: 1:4 SL
Diss: 3:4 SL
Rhyme: 2:4 SL
Total is RM - 10. SL - 14. Per the description, SL gets all 7 points.
RM knew they had an uphill battle to get it all stitched together by breaking things up to explain some of the previous rounds. RM is a fantastic lyricist, using a great vocabulary, innuendo, metaphor and intellect. SL is crisp, and tidy. Easier to read. I think that the lyricism of the "diss" would go to RM, however the flow and execution forced me to have to read a few times, and that just did not work for me.
Lyricism - RM
Flow - Lancelot
Diss - Lancelot
Rhyme - Tie
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Round 1 was RM's best round imo
Round 3 was Lancelot's best round imo
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Favorite bars from Lancelot:
"Ground-punt you at a speed of light velocity.
You were unprepared for my relentless ferocity."
"You let me strangle you till you went blue in the face, Smurf.
Dragged you here just to prove I could kick your ass on your own turf." Clever bars and rhymes. "blue in the face, Smurf" was too cold.
Favorite disses from Lancelot:
"All traumatized, from that time you were licking my cum out your wife’s punani’s." That was funny.
"So fuck you. I don’t owe you jack.
How bout you quit smoking that crack." Hilarious.
"Accusing me of backstabbing you and badger, as if I pledged my loyalty to either one of you retards.
We were never pals. I’d never be homies with slimy scum." That was lethal.
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Favorite bars from RM:
"You might pucker up 'n' say you did this challenge, had to provoke you fight you, I'm too skilled at this, and my Kung Fu moves got you startled, that's strike 2,
Where's the first? I'm Mike, dude, I'm Tyson I write this I bite on the ear, no fear, that's a tight move" Really like the Mike Tyson/bite on the ear flip.
"But you see that rope 'round my autistic neck that you disrespected's one that's been there when I've been lower than you'll ever have to go, build a moat,
King Arthur needs protection and you pushed the boat,
I'm a pirate, a ninja, samurai to your throat," Loved this rhyme scheme.
Favorite diss from RM:
"raggy shit-stain boxers, shriveled up dick with the itchy rash trapped in" Lethal and hilarious.
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Super close battle, both of y'all did great. Lancelot dropped straight bomb after bomb each bar and imo when it came to the disses they were more lethal. Gotta give props RM's unorthodox style and is super lyrical. Don't think I ever gave props to RM before but I am now. RM statement is right "I realised some of my longer lines don't seem to flow to average readers even if they imagine me saying it fast." I feel as though if you hear him rap what he says in real life it's easier to follow than reading on a screen on first read. I can catch most stuff but not every single thing. Lancelot's flow was just easier to follow plus got to the punch quicker. Not a diss or bad thing towards RM. He just raps different. I also get to the punchline quick too. RM is more intricate and it's more of a build-up and when it gets there it hits hard.
W T F
Okay I can understand him getting that ratio in 'disses' but WTF to the rest. You must be reading this very differently to me. This dude's first line in the wholebattle didn't even rhyme, he flowed jagged af throughout, you have to nonstop pause to make his rap work. He has like 0 clever lyricism. Lyricism itself I'd score him 1/4 in.
Just W T F. I am 2/4 in these categories based on WHAT? You didn't even explain where you mark him like that from.
My pleasure.
A quick vote on this would be appreciated. https://www.debateart.com/debates/4674-discussing-race-based-genetic-differences-is-a-significant-contributor-to-racism-and-is-therefore-unacceptable
Thanks for the vote!
It's definitely wordplay as it's a play on words to make them sound alike. Not saying what you're saying is false because it is true but it's definitely wordplay. Also there's electrical engineers and then there's electricians, so technically an engineer can use plugs/wires. Wild how nitpicky you are over my lines but super simple shit that's unable to be deciphered or broken down, you treat it like it's the best in the world but anyways difference of opinion agree to disagree
"The technician will be plugging up wires on you like an engineer
When I say I'm on my way, better believe my engine near
Your whole crew will get knocked off if they interfere
I can spot a fraud from afar I can smell their inner fear"
Last 2 lines aren't skilled wordplay even remotely, they are skilled rhyme sceme and alliteratin.
First 2 kind of, it makes absolutely no sence though, should have been electrician or mechanic instead of engineer, maybe stretch it to plumber, engineers don't plug wires into anything.
Great examples of wordplay is my first bars in R2 against Fish:
accent
act since
axe scent
axe sent
This is not skilled wordplay at all, this is skilled rhyming and alliteration. Meaning-wise there's nothing particularly impressive and because they don't link to each other as punchlines it's not really good but I will admit the axe scent and axe sent can be considered wordplay, depends how you land it.
It was cool disses but I wouldn't call it god tier wordplay, that's a stretch. He could ghostwrite that for Eminem? Don't disrespect Em. Now I know you really trolling
Only thing decent is
"duck fast enough when I throw up my fish
cause' I've never experienced disgust like this
I've never read bars that can suck like his"
that was a decent diss.
"you can suck my dick, but can you duck my sick?" was ass bro it made no sense all he did was switch the d and the s for suck/dick to duck/sick. It's not profound at all or a wow factor. Crazy how much of a lyrical rapper you are, you find that so great lmao but all the fire shit I said which was way better than all the shit he said obviously, you shitted on ofc but my very last bars you finally gave props too. But you like what he said cool, I guess we see things different. I def understand rap quality and I know you do too which is why I'm shocked that what you thought he said was the best thing ever, is what you act like
Great examples of wordplay is my first bars in R2 against Fish:
accent
act since
axe scent
axe sent
Another example of great wordplay in my battle against Lancelot R5:
The technician will be plugging up wires on you like an engineer
When I say I'm on my way, better believe my engine near
Your whole crew will get knocked off if they interfere
I can spot a fraud from afar I can smell their inner fear
engineer/engine near
interfere/inner fear. Now that's god tier wordplay
I know you gonna critique them and say its wack tho but praise someone who says suck my dick
Honestly, I'm not yet at the level where I can analyze the intricacy/complexity of lyrics or wordplay and be as mesmerized as you, but I'm already aware his rapping ability is advanced, just having skimmed his battle with Devon.
The similarity of the style, word choice, rhymes, and mastery of the rapping ability is also how I can confirm it's Type1.
And I wouldn't have assumed you were trolling in the first place regardless.
But Devon's repulsion to those rhymes (even if they are lyrically superior) is hilarious to me.
Whether you agree ot not and whether he is Type1 or not, I am not trolling you when i tell you this is god tier wordplay that maintains rhyme scheme despite how good it plays woth the words:
"you can suck my dick
but can you duck my sick?
duck fast enough when I throw up my fish
cause' I've never experienced disgust like this
I've never read bars that can suck like his"
That is one of the best superficial (meaning nonspecific) diss string of I guess 2.5 bars, ever (pseudo)spat by any rapper.
That is something he could ghostwrite for Eminem himself.
If you think this is trolling, you don't understand rap quality. FishChaser himself doesn't correctly comprehend rap quality but that is because he is a better rapper than judge.
Him being named FishChaser makes it even more god tier than it would otherwise be.
He should have added 'can you' before the second 'duck'. Beyond that no flaw in it.
FishChaser is Type1.
I know for a fact.
Depends. Something can be funny and fire and then there's funny/wack and straight wack >
Ok sir if you say so. Speedrace clearly raps better than you and he's not even on this site anymore. https://www.debateart.com/debates/1112-rap-battle-part-3
and before you say I lost no, the shit was full of stupid vote bombs...that's all people did a few years ago smh. King_8 was my old account. Me, RM and Lancelot rap circles around you, but least you're confident that's a good thing
please genuinely take the time of like 40 full seconds to let the beat build in my Round 3 (put it on loop in background only works on computer unless you got YT premium)
then, read my round (3) and imagine faster paced, vicious drill delivery.
It will rhyme in almost any american or canadian accent unless very twanged. It probably can even rhyme in most UK and European-speaking-English accents. Seems to even flow sick in an Aussie or NZ accent. Some parts won't flow well in those though.
Do you think making the audience laugh at your wordplay increases or decreases the quality of the puns?
Thx for the vote!
I am by far the best rapper on DA.
Lmao wasn't tryna be a debbie downer or nothing though. I feel like I relate to what he said about the shallow bars. Lemme hush about it though I feel like I'm dragging it 😂 I'm not actually salty but when I talk about it I look salty lmao
“Duck my sick.”
Your reaction got me laughing.
No prob it was fun voting
"I think people prefer shallower bars with slicker rhyming on this website"
I see where you coming from. I feel the same. People value trash over actual talent. I feel like they be trolling, especially when I was rapping on here back in 2019. Nothing but vote bombs too.
For ex.
You seriously said this was "incredible rhyme-scheme-maintained wordplay."
"you can suck my dick
but can you duck my sick?
duck fast enough when I throw up my fish
cause' I've never experienced disgust like this
I've never read bars that can suck like his"
Sorry that shit was so ass. "suck my dick" "duck my sick" huh? throw up my fish? It really made me laugh. Seemed like you were really trolling or hey maybe its your opinion but I couldn't help but think trolling or our past rap battles for your reasoning since we have history of battling eachother. But I'm not tripping or mad especially because I expected the vote from you. But if someone choose you as winner in our battle it makes sense cause you can actually rap. Like I said I'm not mad, if I was I wouldn't give you any props in my vote and I would've chose Lancelot for all 4 categories. No bias stuff.
I will get to it for sure. I have a few open debates needing votes as well. Rationing Consumables, and Barney is the Devil are two of them :)
Thx for the vote homie!
Great analysis!
Would you guys like to vote?
Thanks for the vote.
I actually did my Round 3 more for Fishchaser, who I am pretty sure likes rhyme-spam and vicious bars. I think people prefer shallower bars with slicker rhyming on this website. I have begun to get the idea.
For me, my Round 3 was my most technically impressive for reasons beyond just that. Drill forces you to choose to either be slick as hell or just pure rhyme spam with no substance. If you have substance to a Drill style, the Drill rap can be phenomenal but most drillers lack that, hence why Drill rap is usually just mediocre.
Great battle. I read everything, just waiting on RM final round and I'll vote. Don't forgot to @everyone so they can vote
Why do you take pleasure in getting humiliated?
watch a beatdown take place
I am a person filled with desire to upset people. I just prefer not to often feed that toxicity by displaying it. There is just the point where being toxic becomes boring and unsustainable, since there is no positive outcome for toxic relationship.
Yeah! Duke it out guys! This looks fun.
Nothing he does here is healthy. He is a truly unhappy guy that only understands toxicity.
Not sure if this is healthy competition.
Of course
Would you guys like to follow and vote on this when it’s over?
😃😃😃
Keep your eyes glued and vote, cheers.
Enjoy that copium.
The one due to a voter not voting as I left?
Scared?
Don't worry, I would be too after that beating you took last time.
I mean leave this up, I will accept later
Rated only allows Max response time for 1 week.
But I can make it Standard to extend it to 2 weeks.
Your choice.
Unless you mean Voting.
leave open the full 2 weeks I'll take this later.