Rap Battle: Sir.Lancelot vs RationalMadman
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
After 11 votes and with 21 points ahead, the winner is...
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Rated
- Number of rounds
- 4
- Time for argument
- Three days
- Max argument characters
- 10,500
- Voting period
- One month
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
- Minimal rating
- 1,750
(RationalMadman: You aint on my level. We never rap battled as each other, btw. Try it.)
Okay, deal.
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This will be a No-Hold's Barred.
To avoid any errors or confusion, there will be rules and a framework set-up for voters.
Above all else, anyone can vote. But read the rules with careful consideration.
Rules:
1. This is a No-Hold's Barred between both myself and Rational.
2. The actual track for music itself does not count as actual points. Meaning neither me nor Rational can be penalized for choosing a beat the voters do not approve of.
3. All 7 points are assigned to whoever you think won.
4. Voters are not expected to know much about rap, so here are the following qualities you will judge on for both rappers in your RFD.
(On a scale of 1-4)
Lyricism:
Flow:
Diss:
Rhyme:
You will be required to actually read the raps from both sides and analyze your favorite lines.
5. No troll votes or vote-bombing.
You are expected to read the entire rap battle to even be voting.
(Any changes can be made before the acceptance of the debate at the request of Con. No one else aside from RationalMadman can accept, unless stated otherwise by me in the Comments.)
“Then they fucked me over twice in an election, then the owner returned to do the most shit update he could have to the rating system and cucked all us noobsnipers. It catapulted me to the ending you see now.” 1
Because you start fights and run fast.
I mass-debated before you tried it, I said I'd make a new site on the Discord server like a couple weeks before you thought of doin' it yourself with some guy payin' 1K to be a Henchman's sidekick,
You try rated rap battles 'cause you liked my idea and I challenged you and you knew the last win wasn't real 'cause Bella held back a vote, you're easy to provoke and just can't hide it,
Love a sycophant tryna mock his opponent showing love for Barney while having Whitesmoke and Shillton in a gangbang, all at once, stuffed piggy with a wilted chode down the throat...Fucking fake-ass supporter backstabbing failed abortion, sorta dude who's only resource in a battle rap's telling his opponent to choke,
- You incited harassment while a lynch mob did your bidding, just so you could claim you were winning.
- Threatening people who vote against you with retaliation.
- Blackmailing people by threatening to dox them if they don't stop saying mean things to you online.
Great job to both.
Lancelot needs to get better because he did a terrible job.
Rational won this by a large margin
Rational rapped a lot better here
Rational won this for sure
i think rational wins because of their superior skills
rational has better rhyme, lyrics, and flow!
lancelot didn’t do a good job here.
RM took a risk by asking me to vote when he was 7 points ahead. Obligatory "let's see if it pays off" Dodgeball reference.
First Impressions:
This battle is a good example of complex rhyme schemes and metaphors against extremely personal disses with some elements of truth. RM is very versatile as an MC with good lyricism and would probably dominate in a rap cypher, but SL came prepared with 95 theses and is prepared to nail them to RM's front door.
Lyricism:
I'm giving SL a 2 for this and RM a 4. SL has good character references at times, but RM is very focused on metaphors and makes puns on basically everything he says. Maybe needing to explain references should count against him, but RM is very creative here with consistent metaphors, so I'm giving him all 4 points.
Flow:
I'm giving SL a 3 for this and RM a 2. SL breaks lines into smaller chunks, making it easier to see how they flow together, while it often seems like RM is trying to rhyme one paragraph with another paragraph. There are a lot of complex rhymes in the middle which can't be ignored, but it sometimes seems like the length of words and syllables is completely based on finishing RM's train of thought, rather than following a consistent structure. Recognizing that many professional rappers do something similar to this, I'm still giving RM 2 points on flow.
Diss:
SL does well here. There's a history of beef between these two MCs and SL references a lot of it, pointing to specific events that happen. Even though it didn't rhyme with anything, and RM later has a good response, "OMG Barney, you're such a manly man!!" was pretty funny. Both sides use references, but SL uses more of them. While RM will link to something and then use a complex rhyming metaphor, SL tends to stay on topic more to the thing being discussed. While this doesn't allow for many complex rhyme schemes, sometimes simple works best. SL is able to give straightforward criticisms of RM, so I give him a 4 for disses.
RM makes use of a lot of analogies, comparing himself to King Arthur and using complex rhyme schemes. But I'm only evaluating the quality of disses here, not rhymes. RM's strongest line is his comeback about SL's post thanking Barney and whiteflame (although I posted on that thread too so maybe I should take offense to that?) Regardless, these are well-developed analogies that paint a clear picture. However, they mostly come across as threats or taunts that could be used against anyone, not specifically SL. I know that's not always the most important thing in rap battles, but when I have to separate disses from flow and lyricism, there's not much left to evaluate. I give this a 3, since the disses are good, even if they're not always based on real events.
Rhyming:
I looked for the best examples I could find of this from each rapper. SL's best was in R3, because I think he rhymed the most consistently there. "velocity" and "ferocity" were decently impressive rhymes, and "screw up" and "abuse...much" was a good multisyllabic rhyme. There's some loss of consistency since not every line rhymes, but I acknowledge that some of these lines are meant to be hype lines before a verse starts. I give SL's rhyming a 2.
RM has a lot of good examples, most prominently the opening of his R1 when "wetter" is rhymed with 7 other words on two syllables. There are a few slant rhymes, but RM balances very complex rhyme schemes with bars that make sense. I looked to see if these rhymes came at the expense of jumping from one topic to another or not making sense, and that was not the case. Regardless of how he did overall, RM's rhyming was very good, and I'll give it a 4.
Favorite line from SL: "Must hurt that The People chose an anti-semitic racist as President just so they didn't get stuck with you. Couldn’t even woo them with your charm and charisma, everyone was better off when you left."
Favorite line from RM: "Love a sycophant tryna mock his opponent showing love for Barney while having Whitesmoke and Shillton in a gangbang, all at once, stuffed piggy with a wilted chode down the throat"
RM wins 13 to 11, but this is a close one due to the use of very different strategies from each side.
Round 1
Pro
Lyricism: 4
Flow: 2
Diss: 3
Rhyme: 3
Total points: 12
Con
Lyricism: 4
Flow:4
Diss:3
Rhyme: 2
Total points: 13
Winner: Con
Round 2
Pro
Lyricism: 3
Flow: 2
Diss: 4
Rhyme: 2
Total points: 11
Con
Lyricism: 3
Flow: 4
Diss: 4
Rhyme: 3
Total points: 14
Winner: Con
Round 3
Pro
Lyricism: 3
Flow: 4
Diss:4
Rhyme: 2
Total points: 13
Con
Lyricism: 4
Flow: 4
Diss: 4
Rhyme: 4
Total points: 16
Winner: Con
Round 4
Pro
Lyricism: 4
Flow: 4
Diss: 4
Rhyme: 2
Total points: 14
Con
Lyricism: 3
Flow: 3
Diss: 3
Rhyme: 4
Total points: 13
Winner: Pro
Con won 3 out of 4 rounds and scored in total 3 points more in flow and 4 points more in rhyme. Lyricism is equal and Pro had 1 point more in diss.
Con's best round was round 3. Con's round 3 is the best overall round. Pro's best round was round 4.
"You called for me to unleash my wrath.
Now it’s gonna be a fucking bloodbath.
And I’m mopping the floor with you."
Very strong opening from Pro. Sends strong message right at the start, and is one reason why Pro got Lyricism 4 in round 1.
"You try rated rap battles 'cause you liked my idea and I challenged you and you knew the last win wasn't real 'cause Bella held back a vote, you're easy to provoke and just can't hide it,
You run around trying to get under everyone's skin, but under yours is only trauma and overcompensation, my bad I already discussed my dick,
I got my debate count by genuinely efficient moves, you do troll debates for votes to undermine the system I protested and instead of fight it you gave up instantly and decided to act in bad faith and override it"
Very good flow in this one. Lyricism too. However, rhyming is kinda not sensed at all.
"“OMG Barney, you're such a manly man!! 😍😍😍”
“You are the most impressive debater ever! Let me put you on a pedestal so I get your autograph!”
When it comes to bootlicking, this little piggy gives VP Weasel a run for his money.
Always thought he could attract more flies with honey.
Imagine tryna act alpha but doing all that fangirling over Barney and blamonkey."
Very strong diss, although flow didnt continue well after.
"Was bouta vote for you in the Election.
Until you unfriended me over some petty-ass bullshit.
So fuck you. I don’t owe you jack.
How bout you quit smoking that crack."
Probably the strongest diss in entire battle. This is where Pro started having good flow.
"Whiteflame responds to me with care when he aint even mentioned,
Road to hell's paved with you standin' up to the baddest in the land, what good intentions,
I call the shots, Chief mod gets to bendin', I'm the shotcaller you wish you backed, that wilted cunt's got a shrivelled clit, ditched the site to ressurect me, even to my worst enemies, I'm trendin',
Do you see this syllable mastery? Think you can outclass me? I'll smack your face in with a wrench till your jawbone's bendin',"
This is where Con scores perfect in all areas.
"Must hurt that The People chose an anti-semitic racist as President just so they didn't get stuck with you.
Couldn’t even woo them with your charm and charisma, everyone was better off when you left.
Only a small demographic wanted you back.
Stepping to me was a Death Sentence. Warned you it would be a fucking bloodbath, looks like I've had the last laugh.
Don’t you dare wage war on those that vote for me or you’ll quickly regret it."
Strong diss, flow and lyricism. However, surprising lack of rhyme. Still, Pro's strongest round.
Pro was struggling a lot with flow and rhyme. At many places, there is no rhyme at all. At others, the rhyme didnt exactly work out.
In the first two rounds, Pro's flow is basically non-existent. Flow changes in the middle of the round, and doesnt fit with the previous flow. It feels out of place.
Pro scored better in diss. Slightly better than Con.
The lyricism, when we ignore the flow, was great on both sides.
Con had consistently good flow and lyricism in first three rounds. He only seemed to lose flow in round 4.
Overall, Con scored more points and won 3/4 rounds, which is why I am giving win to Con.
@Reason for Vote
Lyricism: RM 2
Lyricism: Lance 1
Flow: RM 1
Flow: Lance 1
Diss: RM 1
Diss: Lance 2
Rhyme: RM 1
Rhyme: Lance 1
RM longer sentences played to lyricism, and if read quick flowed,
Lance shorter sentences flowed and made rhymes more obvious,
But RM rhymes and flow 'also there, just the shorter sentences made Lance's more visually obvious on 'first look,
So still a tie in rhyme and flow, since different methods of reading made either obvious,
Lance focused on diss more than RM, more personal, more sources, 'seemed like,
If there was a brag category, might be I would have put RM a higher point for that.
@NoOneInParticular
Too much profanity, personal insults, styles of bragging, for my liking.
I suppose I like 'some rap, but not 'generally speaking.
See comments
People don't know how to read. All 7 points go to the winner.
Lyricism: 4:2. RM
Flow: 1:4 SL
Diss: 3:4 SL
Rhyme: 2:4 SL
Total is RM - 10. SL - 14. Per the description, SL gets all 7 points.
RM knew they had an uphill battle to get it all stitched together by breaking things up to explain some of the previous rounds. RM is a fantastic lyricist, using a great vocabulary, innuendo, metaphor and intellect. SL is crisp, and tidy. Easier to read. I think that the lyricism of the "diss" would go to RM, however the flow and execution forced me to have to read a few times, and that just did not work for me.
Lyricism - RM
Flow - Lancelot
Diss - Lancelot
Rhyme - Tie
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Round 1 was RM's best round imo
Round 3 was Lancelot's best round imo
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Favorite bars from Lancelot:
"Ground-punt you at a speed of light velocity.
You were unprepared for my relentless ferocity."
"You let me strangle you till you went blue in the face, Smurf.
Dragged you here just to prove I could kick your ass on your own turf." Clever bars and rhymes. "blue in the face, Smurf" was too cold.
Favorite disses from Lancelot:
"All traumatized, from that time you were licking my cum out your wife’s punani’s." That was funny.
"So fuck you. I don’t owe you jack.
How bout you quit smoking that crack." Hilarious.
"Accusing me of backstabbing you and badger, as if I pledged my loyalty to either one of you retards.
We were never pals. I’d never be homies with slimy scum." That was lethal.
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Favorite bars from RM:
"You might pucker up 'n' say you did this challenge, had to provoke you fight you, I'm too skilled at this, and my Kung Fu moves got you startled, that's strike 2,
Where's the first? I'm Mike, dude, I'm Tyson I write this I bite on the ear, no fear, that's a tight move" Really like the Mike Tyson/bite on the ear flip.
"But you see that rope 'round my autistic neck that you disrespected's one that's been there when I've been lower than you'll ever have to go, build a moat,
King Arthur needs protection and you pushed the boat,
I'm a pirate, a ninja, samurai to your throat," Loved this rhyme scheme.
Favorite diss from RM:
"raggy shit-stain boxers, shriveled up dick with the itchy rash trapped in" Lethal and hilarious.
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Super close battle, both of y'all did great. Lancelot dropped straight bomb after bomb each bar and imo when it came to the disses they were more lethal. Gotta give props RM's unorthodox style and is super lyrical. Don't think I ever gave props to RM before but I am now. RM statement is right "I realised some of my longer lines don't seem to flow to average readers even if they imagine me saying it fast." I feel as though if you hear him rap what he says in real life it's easier to follow than reading on a screen on first read. I can catch most stuff but not every single thing. Lancelot's flow was just easier to follow plus got to the punch quicker. Not a diss or bad thing towards RM. He just raps different. I also get to the punchline quick too. RM is more intricate and it's more of a build-up and when it gets there it hits hard.
I believe I’m perfect for this because I’ve also participated in competitive battle rap a few times in my local area.
I’m skim-reading.
Do you want to vote on this?
If you read the new enforcement.. Really you would only be reporting yourself.
"Assigning nicknames that are meant to belittle or harass"
Yeah. Hopefully ill get it done by this week.
Thanks for the vote!
Good luck with that
im reporting you for threatening me
I am done reacting. You poked the bear. Enjoy your time here.
i can tell by your rapping that your new to rap and that’s ok
"You been here for half a decade, I been present for less than a year.
Already, I’m more popular than you. We call this the loot after the boss raid. "
Dogshit flow and rhyme scheme, lame landing of the punchline too.
How people call this good is beyond me.
When votebombing first realise my name isnt macman and that I am more knowledgeable of rap than Lancelot.
If you think there was no flow or roasting going on, you dont get it.
I literally turned his roasts against him, he spent more time quoting me and shit than actually rapping and it didnt rhyme other than the end of lines xD.
He was saying superficially nasty things, I was saying true shit that really sting as they are not me assuming things about him to diss.
It is you, not me, who doesnt know enough about rap.
Try high quality voting rather than high quantity voting when brand new here.
he didn’t ask me to vote, im voting on everything i see
Make troll debates so some noob can votebomb for you nice one, only way you can win
Are you willing to vote here?
He only sweet talked you to get you to vote for him here lol
Thanks for your vote!
Apologies, but honestly not interested in these rap battles. Got a lot going on outside DART at moment with chores, yard work and an 80s muscle car to work on. 🍻
I may suit drill more than I ever thought.
Honestly though my round 3 is fire as fuck, I am seriously proud of it. That is pure creativity meeting clinical rhyme scheme precision.
My Round 3 in this debate is one of the best series if bars I have ever written, imo.
Fair enough.
Don't feel pressured to vote if it ain't your thing.
I read it all and frankly, haven't got a clue as to how I would judge such a thing, I guess rap battles just aren't a thing I get.
All good!
No rush at all.
I think these should be videos instead of responses.
It's on my to do list,
Higher up, due to time limit, is vote on one of Devon and Bella3sp's debates,
Also higher up is enjoy myself through food, reading comics, watching/Listening to YouTube,
Working and procrastinating on my video game, my writing, reading various threads,
Still, I fully intend to vote on this debate before it's timer runs out.
No worries, the creator of this debate Lancelot said my vote is fine. Had I gone about it in the description with point system maybe it would've been a tie, or had you as winner or him as winner who knows but who cares. My vote is in. Calm down brotha 😒
I might. I'm getting busy with debates and other personal stuff outside of this website, but i'll try to get to it before voting ends.
Tagging you guys just incase you’re interested.
Would you like to vote on this or would you prefer not to?
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FishChaser
07.02.2023 07:57PM
#2
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
My voting structure:
Convincing arguments = diss quality/relevance
sources = rhyme/flow
legibility = wordplay
conduct = the opposite of what it usually means (bigger asshole wins)
Pro starts out brutal but without even rhyming his lines. If it wasn't such a vicious attack I would call it pathetic. He finally starts rhyming and the round one disses are good but how will things progress? With Rational pulling things like rhyming sidekick 30 lightyears away from "tried it" lol. Rational better be able to rap really fast with the way he writes but I'm not buying it.
From round one we can see that RM is clearly superior rhyme wise. He carries a rhyme scheme much further while staying relevant. In round two Lancelot continues not rhyming. I was less impressed (if you can call it "impressed" in the first place) with RM's round 2.
Then in round 3 Lancelot comes with a lot of meh-taphors and is much less brutal. RM attempts to clarify his flow, puns and rhymes but idk wtf kind of accent he must have to make some of that rhyme properly or what super-ingenious flow he's supposedly using.
I read the whole thing. Neither side made me want to side with them in the flamewar and neither side used good wordplay.
I structure some lines to be better when read in head than out loud (out loud lets you recycle rhymes at times and be lazier) but I admit something:
My round 1 beat did not suit the written rap. I didn't realise this consciously at that moment, as I was flowing it in my head, not out loud.
I also am struggling to alter my accent to suit what I write it to be read in as I don't have a very stereotypical American accent. I will work on it. Round 1 has some flow issues, I am realising the verse 1 requires a lot of chopper-delivery.
I actually have some privacy irl to rap it out loud, I will use a voice changer and do it in a different accent to my own to show you how hard my rap flows. I will need some days to prove it to you.
Can you show me any internal rhyming or multiple rhyming or impressive chain-rhymes beyond 3-4 lines maximum of the same scheme from Lancelot?
To say he had the best rhymes is an outright lie. like WHAT THE FUCK I had constant internal rhyming.
Would you consider it a tied battle or just gonna give it to lancelot? Why the fuck would I ask you to 'correct' your vote if it directly hurts me?
They are saying you are meant to give 7 points to the winner you chose. Did you decide on a winner to give all 7 points to?
You guys had great votes.
category 1 is lyricism. thanks for admitting i had better lyrics. that was very reflected in your vote allocation.
I wasn't trying to call you out. I had to justify why I was giving SL a full 7 points. RM had better lyrics. And SL even warned in Round 4 that RM would have a problem with a negative vote. It was nothing on you, it was me trying to over-justify my vote. SL was correct. RM was not happy. Being judged is difficult. Judging is also difficult. I am sorry if you felt I called you out.
@Slainte
So I read your original vote "People don't know how to read" ignored at first because I thought to myself, I know they aren't referring to me and I'm trying to refrain from constantly getting into fights on here. Then you reiterated it in your comment "It is not my fault the others who gave votes could not read the instructions" I can most definitely read but I simply made a mistake and misunderstood because I'm so used to the rule of:
Arg: Lyricism
Sources: Flow
Legibility: Diss
Conduct: Rhyme
That's what I always use (instead of numeric scale) I've used this against me and RM's rap battles in the past and other battles I've had with other people in the past but it's different this debate. I honestly overlooked rule number 3 about the 7pts to the winner. Guess I skimmed and read too fast so that's my fault but Pro or Con didn't see an issue with my vote, they thanked me for it. I would tell them that I can re-do my vote but my vote is already in, I can't edit it. Lancelot never told me my voting method was wrong, unless he just ignored it and thought it was fine, but I would have edited and went by the rules.
Also if I were you I wouldn't even bother depending on Best Korea to vote as they are a troll. Won't even follow the rules and says both opponents suck and couldn't get past R1. But if Best Korea actually reads the WHOLE rap battle and follow the rules and properly vote then kudos.
RM I know you have me blocked, but would you like to attempt to redeem yourself against me in the debate I currently have open?
Clearly, I have upset one of the participants in this debate. I would appreciate some voting attention to this debate so that any error I made would be statistically rendered moot. And if not, I am happy that my interpretation is defendable.
RM, This is all I can do.
There is a process to report votes that you think are not consistent with the Voting Policy. The rubric set was 1-4. There are only two people. So I can only compare them against each other. One or the other would get 4. I do feel bad that you do not like other people's genuine opinions.
If you're actually unironically marking me based on Round 3 being counted as rapping before the rap, you're a troll.
You never explained it whatsoever. How is this joke against me getting 4/4? He is 4/4 rhyming? REALLY
We read different raps.
Idc anyway, it is becoming obvious to me people don't get how to read or measure things.
Those actually into rap called this tied or barely won by me, others are incapable of measuring it. This was a fruitless endeavour. I will just wait and see.
Don't worry my friend. Others will either agree or disagree and you will be vindicated. I stated my opinion, and I justified it. It is not my fault the others who gave votes could not read the instructions. You will note one thing about me and that is I don't get into fights. As I said on a few of yours, you have great creativity and linguistic ability. It's just too complex to assemble in reading form, and I have said before that I have to reread your lines to try to make them make sense. That has no flow. That has no cadence. That is forcing me to try to make it work.
how did he have 4/4 flow, rhyming and lyricism? Give me some idea how.
If I had commented the explanation in Round 3 people wouldn't be docking marks but less would see it? WTF?
When was that a rule, what the fuck.
Wait you're actually docking marks to me for the Round 3 pre-rap explaining? You're actually doing that?
Show me the poor flow and poor cadence.
When you have to break the battle off to explain what you are doing, you lose all flow. Seriously, you stopped your battle to try to explain yourself. The rhymes are connected with flow, and a poor flow, with poor timing, that you yourself agreed to, results in a poor cadence. You did dominate with lyrics.
Votes are votes.
just nvm. There is absolutely no point in doing rap battles on this site. People can't understand skill when they see it.
This has been a problem before, now I am 100% sure its suboptimal to bother from here on out.