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Islam Vs Anything1
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After 3 votes and with 12 points ahead, the winner is...
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Islam Vs Anything
Anyone can be my opponent who is from any religion or atheist nothing else, like some random person who just oppose Islam.
Rules:
1 Evidence from anywhere but must be credible.
2 Use philosophy, science or meta physics as far it's logical and make sense.
3 No insult to Islam, and our beliefs.
4 No forfeit (if then automatic defeat)
5 Spelling and grammar should not affect result or voting and I should have relaxation for that as English is not my first language.
6 First round for deciding about what we are going to debate about as follows:
Your belief,
Topic
Resolution
Your stance
Etc
7 Burden of proof is shared.
8 Anyone can accept defeat in the middle of debate.
9 No trolling
10 No vote Bomb
Thanks, and looking forward for good debates (in sha Allah)
Round 1
Pro
#1
Islam issuperior to any other philosophy for operating one's life
Note: As weboth have come up with resolution and other terms in comment sectionso I present my case right away
The Meaning ofIslam
Islam is an Arabic word that denotessubmission, surrender, and obedience. As a religion, Islam stands forcomplete submission and obedience to Allah – that is why it iscalled Islam. The other literal meaning of the word “Islam” is"peace." This signifies that one can achieve real peace ofbody and of mind only through submission and obedience to Allah. Sucha life of obedience brings peace of the heart and establishes realpeace in society at large.
Those who believe and whose hearts find rest in theremembrance of Allah-indeed it is in the remembrance of Allah alonethat the heart of man finds rest-those who believe and actrighteously, joy is for them, and a blissful home to return to. (13:28-29)
Superior
higher in rank, status, or quality.(Oxford)
philosophy
1 the study of the fundamental natureof knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered asan academic discipline
2 a theory or attitude that acts as aguiding principle for behavior.
(Oxford)
Operate
(of a person) to control thefunctioning of (a machine, process, or system).
Life
Life is defined as any system capableof performing functions such as eating, metabolizing, excreting,breathing, moving, growing, reproducing, and responding to externalstimuli.
Encyclopedia Britannica
Points to be noted:
- In this debate, I have to show Islam is higher in rank status and quality from other philosophies for operating one’s life.
- Fundamental nature of Islam and its implications in life.
- Islamic Philosophy is the best guiding principle for behavior.
- As my opponent has chosen the resolution himself in which he mentioned implication or operation of one’s life under Islamic system. So I will decide to discuss operation of individual’s life under Islamic system. In other word, daily life of individual under Islamic system.
- I have to show different aspect and functions or operations of someone’s life under Islamic system or Islamic teachings to be the best of all systems or ways out there. While my opponent has to show are the best other than Islam, this is because in rules I have mentioned that burden of proof is shared.
- My opponent has to show how other philosophies are superior to Islam, while I have to show the other way around.
- All resources must be read and responded. (all links)
As we can see from above definitionabout life. There are few aspects mentioned, but we can assume manyother aspects of life which have not been mentioned in definition oflife e.g., sleeping, bathing, clothing, sitting and so on.
I will discuss many aspects of lifelike above to show the superiority of Islam over other systems.
And Islam being perfect aboutdiscussing all those aspect in necessary and suitable amount.
While any other system fail to do so,if there is any system which do as Islam do then my opponent has tomention it as alternative to win the debate. I have to remind myopponent again that as burden of proof is shared. And I have asked aperson should come with some religious or no religious background tohave a stance against Islam with alternative system not some randomguy who oppose Islam.
So I will assume my opponent would notgo only refuting and rebutting my arguments but must present betteralternative against Islam to win the debate.
As the resolution says Islam issuperior to other philosophies, which I have to prove it here whilemy opponent has to prove it is not by comparing it with others andproving it to be.
Islam as a system for someone’s life.
For my first argument, I will take lifeof a man or a woman of any age for a whole standard 24-hour day.
Islamic teaching for 24-hour day.
Awaking:
For Muslim there is set time to awakeevery day which is early in the morning, which is before fajirprayer.
Benefits
Brushing
- Tabrani narrates a Hasan narration on the authority of Hadrat Ali (Radi Allahu Anhu), citing that Rasoolullah (SallAllahu Alayhi wa Sallam) said, "If I did not feel that it would be difficult upon my Ummah, I would have commanded them to perform miswak(brushing) with every Wudu (ablution)." [Mu'jam al-Awsat, Vol. 1, Page 341, Hadith 1238]
- Prophet Muhammad said: "Make a regular practice of the miswak, for verily, it is healthy for the mouth and it is a pleasure for the Creator
Complete list of references aboutbrushing
Cleanliness
It is narrated in Mishkaat Shareef fromHadrat Sayyidah A’isha (Radi Allahu Anha) that there are 10 actionswhich are of Fitrat (inherent qualities) :
1. To trim the moustache
2. To lengthen the beard
3. To perform Miswak
4. To put water into the nostrils(cleansing the nostrils)
5. To clip the nails
6. To wash between the toes
7. To remove the hair from under thearms
8. To remove the pubic hair
9. To perform Istinja (to clean oneselfafter answering the call of nature)
10. To rinse the mouth. [Sahih Muslim,Page 154, Hadith 261]
Bathing
Maymunah reported: I brought water tothe Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, for hisritual bath from major impurity. He washed his hands two or threetimes, then he put his right hand in the vessel and poured it overhis private parts, washing it with his left hand. Then, he struck theground with his left hand and rubbed it hard, and performed ablutionas for prayer. Then, he poured three handfuls of water over his headand washed the rest of his body. Then, he moved away from that placeand washed his feet. I brought him a towel but he turned it away.
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 317
Complete list of references aboutbathing:
Drinking
#1- Sit Down When Drinking WaterWater should be consumed in a sitting position.Hadith Reference: Sahih Muslim: 2024(a)#2- Don’t Drink Directly From a Water PitcherPour some water into a cup or small dish, and drink from that.Hadith Reference: Sahih Bukhari: 5627#3- Hold the Cup In Your Right HandNever hold the cup or glass you’re drinking water from in your left hand.Hadith Reference: Sahih Muslim: 2020(a)#4- Don’t Drink From a Silver Or Gold VesselIt is prohibited to drink water from a container that is made of silver or gold material.Hadith Reference: Sahih Bukhari: 5633#5- Say “Bismillah” Before Drinking WaterBefore taking the first sip of water, you should always say “Bismillah,” according to the Sunnah.Hadith Reference: Tirmidhi: 1885#6- Don’t Breathe Into the VesselSimilarly, it is the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)’s way never to breathe into the vessel you’re drinking water from.Hadith Reference: Sahih Bukhari: 5630#7- Drink Water In 3 Sips (Or More)The Holy Prophet (PBUH) always drank water in (at least) three sips and also advised others to do the same.Hadith Reference: Tirmidhi: 1885 #8- Say “Alhamdulillah” After Drinking WaterAlways praise Allah (SWT) after drinking water by saying “Alhamdulillah.”Hadith Reference: Tirmidhi: 1885 #9- Drink Last When ServingThe person serving water to others should be the last to drink it.Hadith Reference: Ibn Majah: 3434
Eating
ProphetMuhammad (PBUH) said, "Nothing isworse than a person who fills his stomach.It should be enough for the son of Adam to have a few bites tosatisfy his hunger. If he wishes more, it should be: One-third forhis food, one-third for his liquids and one-third for his breath."
Clothing
Volume 7, Book 72, Number 710:
Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri
Allah's Apostle forbade two ways of wearing clothes andtwo kinds of dealings. (A) He forbade the dealings of the Mulamasaand the Munabadha. In the Mulamasa transaction the buyer just touchesthe garment he wants to buy at night or by daytime, and that touchwould oblige him to buy it. In the Munabadha, one man throws hisgarment at another and the latter throws his at the former and thebarter is complete and valid without examining the two objects orbeing satisfied with them (B) The two ways of wearing clothes wereIshtimal-as-Samma, i e., to cover one's shoulder with one's garmentand leave the other bare: and the other way was to wrap oneself witha garment while one was sitting In such a way that nothing of thatgarment would cover one's private part
More detail in above link aboutclothing.
Excreting
- Say a prayer when entering, to ward off jinn and demons
- Remove your rings
- Do not face nor turn your back to the direction of the Ka'aba
- Do not hold nor touch the penis with your right hand
- Do not stand while urinating
- Do not uncover your private parts until after squatting
- Do not soil yourself with urine, this is a major sin
- Do not speak while in the toilet
- Clean yourself with an odd number of stones
- Do not clean yourself with less than three stones
- Do not use dung or bones
- Do not use your right hand
- Wash yourself, once you're done
- No need for Wudu' After Relieving Yourself in the River
- Say a prayer when exiting the toilet
Walking
How our amazing Nabi ﷺ walked:
1) Hewould raise his feet and walk. He would not drag them along theground.
2) He would place his feet whilst slightly leaning forward.
3) His natural walk was fast and firm but at the same time it was veryhumble.
4) He would not walk proudly with his chest puffed out and would not tryto show his authority.
5) His motion while walking was that of a person descending from ahigher ground to a lower ground.
6) He would not walk very fast as if running but he would cover longdistances in a short time. This was a special favour of Allah Ta’alaupon our beloved Nabi ﷺ.
7) Our beloved Nabi ﷺ neverwore only one shoe. He said shaytan wears one shoe so he would opposeit.
Talking
1-We should speak only if we our speech will be good and beneficial.
2-Weshould be truthful when we speak and refrain from lying.
3-We should refrain from using bad language or cursing at all times.
4-We should refrain from Gheebah orbackbiting.
5-We should refrain from swearing by the name of Allah unless it isabsolutely necessary.
6-We should speak about matters within our knowledge and expertise.
7-We should not speak about matters that we hear about, withoutinvestigation.
8-We should make sure that our goals from our speech should be to findthe truth.
9-We should refrain from involvement in senseless arguments in whichthe sole purpose is to put down others and to show superiority.
10-We should make our speech simple, clear, and avoid difficult words.
11-We should make sure our speech is clear, quiet, and audible enoughfor others to hear and understand.
12-We should make sure our speech is serious and to joke around verysparingly.
13-We should avoid interrupting others while they speak and we shouldlisten to what they have to say until they finish their statement.
14-We should talk and debate in a polite manner, avoiding words thathurt, put down, or humiliate others.
15-We should not reject what a person says just because their speech ismixed with right and wrong information.
16-Weshould not give our selves complements nor should we praise or patourselves on the backs in front of others.
Greeting
Working
One must pay his employee before hissweat is dried. (hadith)
Behaving with family throughoutthe day
Prophet Muhammad (saw) said berespectful with your elder (parents and any elder) and be kind toyounger.
Never say uff to your father.
Heaven is under the feet of yourmother(be obedient and server her the most to earn heaven).
This topic is very long, I can not dealcompletely here.
Behaving with neighbor
“Serve Allah,and join not any partners with Him; and do good – to parents,kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are near, neighborswho are strangers, the Companion by your side, the wayfarer [youmeet], and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not thearrogant, the vainglorious.”
(Quran 4:36)
Behaving with society
Abiding the rules of Allah
Helping the poor
Earning
Honesty
The Prophet (peace be upon him)said, “Honesty certainly leads to goodness, and goodness leadsto paradise. Truly, a man keeps speaking the truth until he isinscribed as being true through and through. And lying leads to goingwrong, and going wrong leads to hell. Truly, a man lies and liesuntil he is inscribed as being a liar through and through” (Bukhariand Muslim).
“Honesty descended from theHeavens and settled in the roots of the hearts of men (faithfulbelievers), and then the Quran was revealed and the people read theQuran, (and learnt it from it) and also learnt from the sayings andtraditions. Both the Qur’an and the traditionsstrengthened their honesty.” (Saheeh Al-Bukhari)
Discipline
Islam has given full guidance for 24/7for any person. Timing for five prayers in a day are strict and there is sleeping and eating guidance as well. One who follow thatstrict guiding schedule become very disciplined person.
Love and care for others
Islam teaches loveand care for others. From family to friends and neighbour a personmust care for whole humanity and want same what he want for himself.The most important is heaven, for what I am doing this debate as anexample.
Love and care for animals
Providing the family
Sleeping
Sleep manners
1 Early bedtime and early wake up time.
2 Perform ablution (wudoo) before going to bed and supplicate.
3 Dusting and cleaning the bed before sleeping.
4 Sleep position.
5 Turning off light before sleep.
6 Yawning.
Full details of above mentioned highlights and more is in below link.
Opening of a day and closing of a day and also night has been dealtstill there are many operations which are not mentioned and can bedealt in next round.
Benefits
Summary
I have mentioned alot of aspect which are common among all human. There are many whichI have not discussed yet. If I do discuss them then the argument isgoing to be very lengthy, as you can see I have to limit myself touse links to give maximum detail of every teaching. But if I includeinformation from those links in debate it would not fit in 30000words limit.
I emphasize myopponent to read all the resources given in my argument to discussabout them.
I invite my opponent to present anyother philosophy which has given teaching and guidance and moralvalues like Islam has given for every aspect of life.
The fact Islam is fastest growingreligion in world proves these teaching compels people toward them.That is why people are getting into Islam when they become aware ofits teachings.
Conclusion
Islam is completecode of conduct and way of life.
Islam provideteaching and guidance for every aspect of life.
There is manyscientific and social benefits in all those teachings.
Islam not onlyprovide teaching and guidance for all aspect of life but also thoseteaching and guidance are best in the interest of humanity.
There is no harm forhumanity in those teachings.
Islam is perfectreligion
- Islam has given us family system.
- Islam has given us social system.
- Islam has given us governmental system.
- Islam gives judicial system.
- Islam has given us educational system.
- Islam has given us military or bureaucratic system.
- Islam has given us police system.
- Islam has given us teaching and guidance in each aspect of life.
- Islam has given us punishment system.
Final thoughts
I do not know how myopponent is going to respond to my argument.
When he will respondI will see, how the up coming argument is going to be or what will behis rebuttal for my first round’s argument.
Rest of the debateis going to depend on the response of my opponent.
I am looking forwardfor the response of my opponent and hope this debate is going to be agood one.
Thank you very much
Con
#2
Pro has written an exceptionally informative opening argument about Islam. Unfortunately it appears as if Pro is putting the burden on my to show why those features of Islam are NOT superior, when infact they are making the declaration that they are superior. I do not want to nit pick about certain concepts as I feel it is not the overall intention of the debate.
My position is that no one religion, or philosophy is "the" best. There are many different methods, and philosophies that add value to life and community. I am going to argue that Buddhism as a religion/philosophy, has some key differences to Islam, and may be superior in some regards. If I can demonstrate that there is an argument of Buddhism, or a feature of Buddihsm, may be superior to Islam, I have meet my BoP.
Buddhism emphasizes self-improvement through meditation and mindfulness, rather than relying on an external deity or power. This focus on personal responsibility can be seen as empowering.
Meditation practices have been shown to have various mental health benefits, such as reduced anxiety, improved focus, and increased emotional resilience. This evidence-based approach makes Buddhism and meditation appealing to many people.
Buddhism teaches the principles of nonviolence and compassion for all living beings, which can be seen as a more peaceful and harmonious way to live.
The Four Noble Truths and Eightfold Path taught in Buddhism are universal values that can be applied to daily life, regardless of one's religious or cultural background.
Buddhism encourages open-mindedness and questioning, which allows for a more flexible and adaptable approach to life.
Here are some differentiations,
Buddhism does not have a central concept of God or a creator deity. It is primarily a non-theistic religion, focusing on personal spiritual development and the nature of existence while Islam is a monotheistic religion, believing in one God, Allah, who is omnipotent, omniscient, and merciful. Question: Which view is better?
Buddhism teaches the concept of rebirth, where individuals are continuously reborn into different realms of existence based on their karma. The ultimate goal is to achieve Nirvana, which is liberation from the cycle of birth and death, however Islam teaches that humans have one life on earth, followed by a Day of Judgment, where each person's deeds will be evaluated. Based on their actions, they will be rewarded with eternal life in paradise or punishment in hell. It appears as if Muslims are encouraged to act in a particular way based on fear. The fear of hell. You get one crack at it. Question: Which view is better?
Meditation and mindfulness are central practices in Buddhism such as the Five Precepts, which are ethical guidelines for living a moral life. There are optional rituals like chanting or making offerings at temples. Buddhism puts the responsibility on the individual, and their connection with karma. Islam has five pillars that are faith based, not understanding based. Shahada (declaration of faith), Salat (prayer), Zakat (almsgiving), Sawm (fasting during Ramadan), and Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca). Buddhism allows for individual journey, where Islam is more instructive. Question: Which view is better?
buddhists believe that following the Noble Eightfold Path, which includes right understanding, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right concentration, can lead to the cessation of suffering and ultimately, enlightenment. For Islam, salvation is achieved by submitting to the will of Allah, following His commandments, and seeking forgiveness for one's sins. A very different approach in life.
Who is to say one view is better than the other? I respect Pro's commitment to Islam. I however feel that the Buddhism approach is superior.
Round 2
Round 3
Pro
#5
My forfeit in 2ndround was out of my control, I leave it on voter to choose rulenumber 4 or go for arguments. But here is proof
Responding to thearguments of my opponet.
My Opponent said:
“when infact theyare making the declaration that they are superior”
My Question:
Then why not acceptit?
My Opponent said:
“My position isthat no one religion, or philosophy is "the" best”
Rebuttal 1:
My opponent isdeclaring buddhism to be equal to Islam by saying none of them arebest. While he should have picked one which is best. (kind offorfeit)
My Opponent said:
“There are manydifferent methods, and philosophies that add value to life andcommunity”
Rebuttal 3:
So do Islam and itseems my opponent has accepted it as well.
My Opponent said:
“I am going toargue that Buddhism as a religion/philosophy, has some keydifferences to Islam, and may be superior in some regards”
Rebuttal 4:
we are notdiscussing the differences(unless considering them being supperior)between religions here, in fact we are discussing superiority.
which my opponent isnot sure of that is why saying “may be” superiorand not all in all but in some regards.
Rebuttal 5:
My opponent is notsure, the philosophy he is considering here is superior or not.
My opponent considerbuddhism to be superior in some regard but not as whole.
While I considerIslam to be superior as whole to all other philosophies.
My Opponent said:
If I can demonstratethat there is an argument of Buddhism, or a feature of Buddihsm, maybe superior to Islam, I have meet my BoP.
Rebuttal 6:
My opponent hassuggested the resolution himself not me. Which is “Islam issuperior to any other philosophy for operating one's life”
This resolutionsuggest that, someone has to talk about the whole life of a personnot some features.
We are talking aboutlife of a person and how it should be operated by some system.
For Reminder:
check thedefinitions from the last round.
Conclusionrelated to rebuttal 6:
From definitions wecan see, there is need to be a system which is philosophy whichfurther means fundamental study of nature of knowledge or reality orexistence to operate one’s life and must be superior to others.
So we cannot saythat only feature of some system or belief can suffice theresolution.
That is why I postedsuch a lengthy argument to cope as much as operations I can but itseems my opponent never bothered to read my arguments at all. Andthat is why never tried to refute even one and also never mentionedany flaws in those teaching for operating people life. What myopponent did was not to refute my argument instead he presented hisnew argument without comparing it with mine and assume that thephilosophy he presented is superior then what I presented withoutreading a bit from mine.
1 There is nocomparison between philosophies being which one is supprior.
2 No flaws mentionedin my philosophy.
3 My opponent failedto present a system which gives guidance for the operation ofsomeone’s life because my opponent only consider the feature of hisphilosophy to be able to fulfill the case.
4 For a system to besuperior for operating someone’s life need to be a system at least.While buddhism is not a system its just practice of a meditatingmonk.
5 we are talkingabout a system which operate someone’s life by giving “1 thestudy of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence,especially when considered as an academic discipline
2 a theory orattitude that acts as a guiding principle for behavior” and as Lifeis defined as any system capable of performing functions such aseating, metabolizing, excreting, breathing, moving, growing,reproducing, and responding to external stimuli etc.
While buddhism donot give us system to operate our life at all. Its life of a monk whospent lives in seclusion.
Buddhism whichpromote Seclusion, how can it give guidance for operation ofsomeone's life who lives a normal life?
My Opponent said:
“Buddhism emphasizes self-improvement through meditation and mindfulness,rather than relying on an external deity or power. This focus onpersonal responsibility can be seen as empowering”
Rebuttal 7:
- First of all above hyperlink do not work it gives error “page not found”.
- So my opponent lacks on resources and the credibility of his statement.
Con’s definition
What above definition says:
“Buddhism emphasizes onself-improvement”
Means a person has to have some degreeof betterment or in good condition already to improve.
This means it do not solve the problemsbut it only improve which is already in good condition.
Example: A Person who is suffering withdeadly disease wont get healed by meditation and mindfulness but hewould need medicine and medical checkup.(In Islam there is fieldTib-e-Nabvi, which deals with medical illness and some medical claimto cure any illness out there).
This debate is not about denial ofDeity or power this is about having a best system to operate one’slife. So its no where near the best alternative.
“This focus on personalresponsibility can be seen as empowering”
We are not here for discussing aboutpersonal responsibility and empowering.
Which are kind two aspects of life, butwe are here to discuss every aspect of life.
- Above definition of buddhism seems contrary to this one “a religion of eastern and central Asia growing out of the teaching of Siddhārtha Gautama that suffering is inherent in life and that one can be liberated from it by cultivating wisdom, virtue, and concentration” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Buddhism
- Buddhism seems to focus on only one feature of life which is suffering.
My Opponent said:
"Meditation practices have been shown to have various mental health benefits,such as reduced anxiety, improved focus, and increased emotionalresilience. This evidence-based approach makes Buddhism andmeditation appealing to many people”
Rebuttal 8:
- First of all, Islam also focus on meditation, praying five times a day is compulsory for all Muslims which is perfect meditation. Fasting and reciting also meditation. And about this we are even one step ahead from buddhism. (we do meditation and do not do seclusion)
- So we have more meditation tools then buddhism and more scientific studies have been done on their effectiveness and result.
- With meditation we have complete system as guidance for every aspect of life. So first of all there should be a system to give guidance on every aspect, then we can analyze the system is best or not, or it has flaws. While my opponent has presented a faith which is not complete system for life yet only focus on one aspect of life which is meditation and promotes seclusion.
- My opponent said buddhism and meditation is appealing to many people but not all. It seems even it is not appealing to my opponent that is why he is mentioning about others. The the fact that is why my opponent is agnostic not Buddhist. Which should be the blatant evidence the person who is advocating buddhism is not appealing to himself, even kind of funny it is.
- Islam has plus point in mediation.
My Opponent said:
“Buddhism teaches the principles of nonviolence and compassion for all living beings, which can beseen as a more peaceful and harmonious way to live”
Rebuttal 8:
- Buddhism teaches it just like any other religion with exceptions, where they justify killing as well and have done it in history. Most recent case is in Burma. While sometimes that justification is totally wrong.
- A better version:Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul1 or for corruption [done] in the land2 - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one3 - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And Our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.— Saheeh International Quran 32:5
- Buddhist forbid killing of animals even for consumption. And call animals to be their ancestor. Claiming to be eating their ancestor if they do it.“Since all male creatures have at one time been our father, they should be regarded as our father. And since all female creatures have at one time been our mother, they should be regarded as our mother. . . . all living things throughout the six realms can be considered as our father and mother. So to catch and eat any living creatures is surely equivalent to killing our own parents and eating our own body?“this concept of not killing other animals is impractical. We know animals eat animals so to balance the nature. While if human stop consuming animals then the balance of life would be out of order. That is why different countries give license to hunt down certain animals whom strength has gone higher. eg., DeerSo my opponent might have eaten ancestors. As he is advocating the buddhism.
- From“Buddhism teaches the principles of nonviolence and compassion for all living beings, which can be seen as a more peaceful and harmonious way to live”(From the above hyperlink nonviolence I got this)“Like most forms of tantra, the most basic practice of Shingon is identifying a particular tantric deity, usually one of the transcendent Buddhas or Bodhisattvas. (Note that the English word deity isn't quite right; the iconic beings of Shingon are not considered to be gods.AlsoAccording to legend, he had himself buried alive while in a state of deep meditation. Food offerings are left on his tomb to this day, in case he is not dead but still meditating.Totally against the definition of my opponent“Buddhism emphasizes self-improvement through meditation and mindfulness, rather than relying on an external deity or power. This focus on personal responsibility can be seen as empowering”They are not necessarily gods but they can be any external power. Although external influences.
My Opponent said:
“The Four Noble Truths and Eightfold Path taught in Buddhism areuniversal values that can be applied to daily life, regardless ofone's religious or cultural background”
Rebuttal 9:
We can see from four noble truths andeight fold paths, they are not something which anybody is not awareof.
They talk about desires and lust andgreed and many other negative attributes which someone can have inlife and I am sure that all religion discourage it, so Islam as well.
Conclusion from above is that, itmotivates you to do not feel suffering but not to get rid of it.
Almost all of those traits have beenmentioned in my first argument, if my opponent has have read mydebate he would have known that Islamic perspective is more superiorand plus element is that, everything a Muslim do while being amongcommunity and not in seclusion.
We already know that Buddha and allBuddhist monk live the life of seclusion.
As far as Islam is concern it givesbetter solution for your spiral growth. Islam is also very rich inspiritual journey and way much more better then Buddhism because aperson can achieve ihsan or nirvana (Buddhist version) while beingsocial and do not need seclusion.
In fact a person must not be selfishwho is cultivate in seclusion being un aware of its surrounding andeven need help from others in the form of donations.
Islam need people to live a normal andhappy life and achieve spiritual satisfaction through love, care andhelp for others. That is why in Islam charity is obligatory oneligible people. And through charity you can achieve spiritualawakening.
For me to explain about spiritualawakening of Muslim, I would present this.
Islamic Version of spiritualawakening
As we discussed above that there arethree levels of faith that a person can attain being a Muslim. Thefirst level is Islam. A Muslim must be declared that there is no Godbut Allah and Muhammad (SAW) is the messenger of Allah (SWT). Bydeclaring this a person accepts the message of Allah Almighty that isrevealed to humanity through the last prophet Muhammad (SAW). Afteraccepting Islam it is obligatory on Muslim to observe all otherIslamic obligations like five daily prayers, Zakat, Fasting inRamadan, make a pilgrimage (Hajj) of the house of Allah if he/she iscapable of doing this physically and also financially. These are someobligatory things that a Muslim must follow after the proclamation ofIslam. The rules of Islam come more easily to those who have preparedtheir hearts with Iman.
Iman
Iman or faith is the first thing thatwe have to learn in our religion because it acts as our roots. Imanis basically to believe in Allah, His Angels, His Books, HisMessengers and all the scriptures which He sent down before. As AllahAlmighty said in Holy Quran: “O you who have believed, believein Allah and His Messenger, (in) the Book that He sent down upon HisMessenger, and the Scripture which He sent down before. And whoeverdisbelieves in Allah, His angels, His books, His messengers, and theLast Day has certainly gone far astray” (Quran, 4: 136)
So, a person reaching Iman believesthat not only Allah exists but He is capable of doing anything Hewants to do. A Mumen believes in everything Allah Almighty told inthe Holy Quran. The belief in the Last Day which is the Judgment Dayis an acknowledgment of accountability and estimation. It is anincentive for people to do good in this life in order to be rewardedin Paradise and a warning against doing badly in order to avoidpunishment in the Hellfire.
The Prophet (SAW) said that Iman is,“To believe in Allah, His Angels, His Books, to believe inmeeting Him, to believe in His Messengers, the Resurrection and thepredestination”(Al-Bukhari). We can say that Iman is aboutinwardly actions.
Ihsan
Ihsan is the highest status of religionIslam. Its definition that our beloved Prophet Muhammad (SAW)described is: “To worship Allah as if you see Him, and if you donot see Him, He sees you.” The concept of Ihsan in Islamis also that a Muslim is a responsible person where he does things ina good manner. We can say that Ihsan means a Muhsen is surethat Allah is seeing him/her in everything he/she says or does in hislife. So, a Muhsen does his best to say and do only what pleasesAllah Almighty and conforms to His commands.
In Holy Quran, Allah Almighty says:“Indeed, Allah commands justice, good conduct (Ihsan), andgiving to relatives (and He) forbids immorality, bad conduct, andoppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded” (Quran, 16: 90).
In short, by living according to theconcept of Ihsan and by applying it to all that a Muslim does, he/shewill be rewarded and drench with mercy and forgiveness from AllahAlmighty.
Detail
The Messenger of Allāh ﷺ said:
“There are over 70 branches of faith.The highest is to bear witness that ‘There is no god but Allāh andMuhammad is the Messenger of Allāh’ (lā ilāha illallāhuMuhammadur rasūlullāh). The lowest is the removal of harm from theroad. Modesty is also of faith.” 1
The ‘Seventy-Seven Branches of Faith’2 are a collection of Qur’anic verses and Prophetic narrationscompiled by Imām al-Bayhaqī (Allah be pleased with him) in 458 A.H.In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true faith(imān). These seventy-seven branches are some of the essentialattributes and characteristics that a true believer should have orstrive towards having.
Complete Iman in reality consists ofthree components:
Confirmation by heart of all theessentials of Iman
Confirmation by tongue of all theessentials of Iman
Confirmation by actions of all theessentials of Iman
Thus, the ”77 Branches of Faith”are divided into three categories:
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My Opponent said:
“Buddhism encourages open-mindedness and questioning, which allows for a more flexibleand adaptable approach to life.”
Rebuttal 10:
- First of all above link is not working (not found 404) error again my opponent lack on resources and their credibility.
- We can see how adaptable and flexible Buddhist apporach is, which promotes social isolation and seclusion. And to not solve problems and tackle suffering but to accept them as a solution to be able to bear them.
- Every thing is called desire and greed, which could be necessity of life. Like have intimate relation and children. While Buddhist monk never marry. In islam marrying and having children and living a social and friendly life is encourage so much. It is that, you are not allowed to live in seclusion and its forbidden in Islam.
My Opponent said:
“Buddhism does not have a centralconcept of God or a creator deity. It is primarily a non-theisticreligion, focusing on personal spiritual development and the natureof existence while Islam is a monotheistic religion, believing in oneGod, Allah, who is omnipotent, omniscient, and merciful. Question: Which view is better?”
Rebuttal 11:
- So this is the argument of my opponent?
- Stating one religion to be atheistic and one to be theistic is enough?
- Then making this a question is it going to let my opponent win?
- What kind of above argument is?
- Its just sharing a point of view without any evidence to be wrong.
- I am not sure what my opponent is trying to do with that kind of argument.
- This is just a statement and a question there is nothing in it to be called an argument.
- My opponent has to prove how believing a deity is bad and how it can effect personal spiritual development. Also it has nothing to do with the operation of someone's life.
- Spirit has not impact on someone’s operational life if an atheistic believe is concern.
- My opponent has forgotten that non-theistic means atheistic, which is a believe, which do not believe in spirit. Its kind of contradictory.
spiritual
adjective
adjective: spiritual
- 1.relating to or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things."I'm responsible for his spiritual welfare"
- (of a person) not concerned with material values or pursuits.
relating to religion or religiousbelief.
I do not know what my opponent wasthinking when stating that statmenet. Islam is major religon of worldand totally based on spiritual life.
Soul
إِذْ قَالَرَبُّكَ لِلْمَلَآئِكَةِ إِنِّى خَالِقٌبَشَراً مِّن طِينٍ * فَإِذَاسَوَّيْتُهُ وَنَفَخْتُ فِيهِ من رُّوحِىفَقَعُواْ لَهُ سَاجِدِينَ
When your Lord said to the angels;Surely I am going to create a mortal from dust: So when I have madehim complete and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall downmaking obeisance to him. (38:71-72)
I have already talked a lot aboutspiritual life in Islam. Islam provides individual and as well socialteaching to elevate spiritual life of a person. There is nothingspecial in Buddhism at all which can make it superior to islam. Justassertions which are just vague statement and provide us nothing atall.
My Opponent said:
“Buddhism teaches the concept ofrebirth, where individuals are continuously reborn into differentrealms of existence based on their karma. The ultimate goal is toachieve Nirvana, which is liberation from the cycle of birth anddeath, however Islam teaches that humans have one life on earth,followed by a Day of Judgment, where each person's deeds will beevaluated. Based on their actions, they will be rewarded with eternallife in paradise or punishment in hell. It appears as ifMuslims are encouraged to act in a particular way based on fear. The fear of hell. You get one crack at it. Question: Which view is better?”
Rebuttal 12:
- This concept of rebirth based on karma cannot be proven, also Buddhist believe that person can be reborn as animal as well based on karma. So the life of animals are not being discuss here. Which is totally irrelevant from the debate.
- Nirvana whichis liberation of cycle of brith and death is not relevant to debate because we are talking about operating of the life of someone’s not liberation from it.
- Islamic point of is best, my opponent said people follow rules because of fear of hell. This is human nature people follow rules because of fear of punishment. Without fear of being punishment they wont follow rules and life will be chaotic and irregular.
- Question should not be why Muslim follow Islamic rules but question should be are those rules good or not, while they are best. And we can argue about that, but my opponent has some other thoughts in mind, which I do not know, it seems just claiming to be atheistic will give him edge. I guess he has that kinds of thoughts?
- There is no arguments at all from opponent, just few questions about Islamic believes.
- It look like my opponent is not serious about debate and he do not rebut and present argument at all. Just few statements and questions. That is all out there.
My Oppnent said:
“Meditation and mindfulness arecentral practices in Buddhism such as the Five Precepts, which areethical guidelines for living a moral life. There are optionalrituals like chanting or making offerings at temples. Buddhism putsthe responsibility on the individual, and their connection withkarma. Islam has five pillars that are faith based, notunderstanding based. Shahada (declaration of faith), Salat (prayer),Zakat (almsgiving), Sawm (fasting during Ramadan), and Hajj(pilgrimage to Mecca). Buddhism allows for individual journey, whereIslam is more instructive. Question: Whichview is better?
buddhists believe that following theNoble Eightfold Path, which includes right understanding, rightintention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, righteffort, right mindfulness, and right concentration, can lead tothe cessation of suffering and ultimately, enlightenment. For Islam, salvation is achieved by submitting to the will of Allah,following His commandments, and seeking forgiveness for one's sins. A very different approach in life.
Who is to say one view is better thanthe other? I respect Pro's commitment to Islam. I howeverfeel that the Buddhism approach is superior”
Rebuttal 13:
- So my opponent has given us solution for someone’s life to operate, which is meditation and mindfulness.
- Next time if a person become has any problem he can go on a high mountain and start meditation and have mindfulness and his problem and issues will be solved. This is what my opponent is trying to say?
- This is what my opponent's superior system with which a person has to operate his or her life?
- Is it practical? Probably that is why buddhism is declining and will keep declining in future. While Islam is fastest growing religion in world.
- Can we cease the suffering with above mentioned method? Can sick people be treated with that method? And can poor become rich with that? Can wars be avoided with that? If so then why Buddhist killing Muslims in Burma?
- What my opponent mentioned about Islam, is there any problem with it?
- Just stating something does not mean its not applicable and not superior and other is. My opponent has to prove it.
- There is just little information about Buddhism and Islam from my opponent no arguments at all. Its like he left debate untouched.
Conclusion:
- Buddhism promotes seclusion.
- Buddhism promote selfishness as person only consider improving himself only. And this religion target only indiviuals not community as a whole as mentioned by my opponent already.
- Buddhism is not spreading instead declining.
- Buddhism is not practical as far as consuming animals is concerned. And buddhism consider animal to be ancestors that is why they avoid them killing not out of mercy. While animal consumation is necessary for the supply of food for humans. Otherwise its total waste of food.
- Buddhism is limited to specific areas and Islam is religion of whole world as it claim itself to be. And Islam is fastest growing religion in the world.
- Buddhism only focus on suffering and trying to cease it through cultivation, which it surely fail to do because considering suffering as part of our life and going with it is not the solution for suffering or ceasing it. But a cure is needed.
- I am afraid if a Buddhist monk get sickness he would need doctor as well. Islam promote on utilizing natural resources and formal ways of life but improve them and practice them in a manner which is beneficial for humanity not avoid them.
- Spiritual awakening can help in easing mental issues but its not way of life and give guidance for someone to operate his or her life. In this regard islam prevails because Islam promotes helping other and doing community helping tasks to get spiritual need done. In fact the highest level of Iman which is called Ihsan like we have seen above is achieved only if you are very good to people because when you do 70 branches of Iman then you achieve first stage of ihsan. Which is like Nirvana but achieved totally in different way and it is related to Allah.
- For achieving highest level of iman which is a spiritual state only be achieved when you have only good thoughts and action toward creation of Allah. So spiritually we have edge over buddhism.
- My opponent just asking question about buddhism to claim to be superior. This is not how debates are done. My opponent never provided any rebuttal to my arguments. He never considered my definitions and criteria and even his own which we can co relate to our resolutions.
- My opponent gave just very rough draft form of argument with resources which do not works.
- His arguments are questions and his point of view like he is inviting or baiting 3rd party and trying to convince that his point of view is superior, because it is his point of view which is kind of atheistic point of view and has advantage without evidence.
- My opponent must know that this debate was not about the existence of God. And believing in God is not something negative and not believing should not give any advantage to this debate unless proven to have any.
- As my opponent is trying to bait voter on baseless assertions so any vote bomb would face jury and any RDF which has no good reasoning would be reversed by jury.
- I would encourage my supporters as well to never vote bomb me as well, thanks.,
- Muslim pray 5 times a day is meditation so it should not be negative or flaw for operating life matters. As my opponent’s main argument is meditation. So it should be plus point.
- Fear of hell to do good is not flaw but its natural instinct of human being to follow rules with the fear of punishment that is why Law and regulations are made in every place of world and people do behave well because of them. Not all people can be lawless monks in the world, if so then world would not work at all.
- I am the instigator of the debate, even my opponent choose the resolution but still he is deviated totally from it. He is not considering definition of life from my argument. And not providing any guidance for the operation of someone's life according to buddhism to be superior while contrary to that I have done it in full detail.
- Tone of my opponent is like he is not debating with me but just inviting voter to be biased for the believes of my opponent to be superior without evidence. And his arguments are not logical or evidence based but in the form of question. Islam believes in one god and they do good in the fear of hell so that is why its bad?
- My opponent is not coherent with the debate, he is behaving solo and with debating himself.
- My opponent is not sure what he is talking, his stance is not clear at all. He is double minded to choose between buddhism and agnosticism.
- My opponent considered buddhism to be superior but never bother to choose it for himself that is why he is agnostic. I am sure agnostic do not believe in any religion.
- Buddhism even failed to convinced my opponent how come it can do to others?
- Finally I would invite my opponent to take this debate serious and provide solid evidences not just some questions and baseless assertions and self thoughts.
- Islam is superior in all aspect of life while buddhism do not.
- Islam provide complete system for operating life while buddhism is religion of monks who live life of seclusion. So cannot be guidance for a person who lives a normal social life. A life in which he works, have relations and a social life. While Islam provide full guidance for all those aspects in best manner which I have already mentioned in my first argument and in this too.
- Islam is best.
- See how buddhism is declining after its inception.
Forfeit:
About forfeit, I set the rule number 4so that a person do better conduct. Its not to give unreasonableadvantage for debate.
As I set this rule I can flex it toowith the consent of my opponent. If both parties agree then therecould be relaxation for rule number 4 and only one round will beskipped.
So I would invite my opponent to agreeabout it to skip the round 4 and let the voter vote for the rest ofdebate. And I also invite voters to vote for better arguments. I havementioned that, it was inevitable for me to avoid forfeit. Because Idid not have internet for few days in which I decided to post myargument. As I am a busy person I had only time for weekend toprepare my argument. So that is why I argument was delayed till thelast 3 days.
Looking forward for good arguments frommy opponent.
Thanks
Con
#6
Pro forfeited a round, and per their rules they automatic lose. that rule is not conditional. It is absolute. That being said:
Pro states in their first argument:
Islam issuperior (sic) to any other philosophy for operating one's life
Pro does not understand how a debate works. The first round is not for refuting the others arguments. It is for stating your own. I did read the entirty of Pro's arguments, and take issue for any inference to the contrary.
Pro has not shown this. I have demonstrated why Buddhism is arguably a better philosophy for operating one's life.
I have a serious problem with this debate. Reading Pro's comments in the comment section, leaves a foul taste in my mouth. For someone to portray their philosophy is superior, and then engage in such vitriol is beyond confusing. especially in the comment section of the debate he is arguing. No class, no tack, just childish gibberish.
i was hoping for a good honest debate. I wanted to learn about Islam from a true follower. Pro may speak the words, however his conduct shows he does not follow the words he speaks. That is hypocrisy, and I am genuinely disappointed. Therein I will keep my rebuttals short and respectful to the answer the questions posed..
- Pro asked why I would not concede, and the answer is clear. Pro has not demon stated that Islam is superior.
- Pro set the statement of Islam is superior to "any" other philosophy, therein i do not need to choose one.
- I accept that Islam adds value to some peoples lives. No argument there.
- You cannot determine superiority without understanding the differences. Is an apple better than an orange. What are the differences, and the purpose? An apple is better than an orange, when you want to make an apple pie. An orange is better when you want to make orange juice. Superiority is a fact and context equation.
- I do not have to have a philosophy that is superior. All I have to do is demonstrate that Islam is not. I have done that.
- Pro is confusing a life philosophy, with life instructions. I deduce he is saying that Islam is an instruction set. Yet the definition of philosophy is as he posted is "a theory or attitude that acts as aguiding (sic) principle for behavior". I am not going to pick apart the individual list 'rules" in Islam. This is about philosophy, not instruction.
Pro states
"While buddhism is not a system its just practice of a meditatingmonk."
I would encourage Pro to actually read what I said about Buddhism, and not erroneously miscategorize what I wrote.
I believe the the philosophical tenants of Buddhism are far superior than Islam. I also see they are fundamentally very different. The terrible behaviour Pro exhibited in the comments section is not consistent with Buddhism philosophy. I can only surmise that it is consistent with Islam teachings, which is clearly not a superior way to operate ones life, by acting in such an offensive and reprehensible manner.
Round 4
Pro
#7
- What I am supposed to do about it?
- My first argument was not refuting at all, it was opening argument where I demonstrated that Islam has features to be best for humanity.
- You claim, I do not know how to debate, while it's the opposite here. You are simply trolling in debate.
- Furthermore, you are passive in the whole debate and totally ignoring me and my arguments, instead you are simply communicating with voters. And trying to convince them to support your personal views about the topic being discussed here.
- There are no arguments from you and there is no rebuttal from you. Instead, just few questions and some opinions and little comparison based on some assumptions declaring you have won the debate as far as forfeit is not considered.
- Me being harsh with someone else in the comment section is none of the concern of debate. And it should not make you emotional at all.
- Being emotional in debate is never going to help in debate. Only solid arguments and rebuttal effects.
- Well I am also a human being, when someone is being disrespectful to your prophet then it hurts us, and we become impulsive too. Meanwhile, it's not recommended, but it shows Islam is practical because it is the natural course of actions which Islam suggests. Though, tolerating and forgiving are the best virtues and rewarded.
- Why death, insult, torture, and none freedom even freedom of speech for Muslims? While those Buddhist monks can kill in Burma? Also, what Dalai Lama said about killing? He said it's allowed in the case of Osama bin Laden. So killing is there after all in Buddhism.
Any ways now about arguments:
My opponent’s argument before my forfeit.
My position is that no one religion, or philosophy is “the” best.
This is a forfeit even before me, as he himself proposed the resolution, then why going back on it?
So I would ask voters to look at it as well. This statement is totally against the resolution.
Con said:
“Pro asked why I would not concede, and the answer is clear. Pro has not demonstrated that Islam is superior”.
Rebuttal:
Did I not?
Con said:
“Pro set the statement of Islam is superior to “any” other philosophy, therein i do not need to choose one”
Rebuttal:
Contradictory statement, then why have you chosen Buddhism?
Con said:
“I accept that Islam adds value to some peoples lives. No argument there.”
Rebuttal:
Again kind of forfeit, because my opponent said no argument there, means he does not want to argue with me about Islam adding values to the lives of some people.
Con said:
“You cannot determine superiority without understanding the differences. Is an apple better than an orange. What are the differences, and the purpose? An apple is better than an orange, when you want to make an apple pie. An orange is better when you want to make orange juice. Superiority is a fact and context equation”
Rebuttal:
There is no apple and orange difference here, as we have already seen in previous argument. Islam is also rich in spiritual awakening and meditation.
All those differences which Con mentioned had already been discussed, except considering animals to be ancestors. I can say that is core difference between Buddhism and Islam also reincarnations. Though Islam talks about it as well only 1 more time and Buddhism probably unlimited time. Because humanity have never seen nirvana. Though Buddha being buried alive could be considered nirvana for Buddhist, but I would say it was suicide.
So I will not consider Buddhism being apple or orange at all. So there is no question of making pie or juice from it. Probably impractical, it is.
Con said:
“I do not have to have a philosophy that is superior. All I have to do is demonstrate that Islam is not. I have done that”.
Rebuttal:
Again, forfeit from his present stance, which means his argument for Buddhism has been nullified and it was all in vain.
He is forfeiting from his present stance, so I could say he has forfeited in the debate more than me. I did 1 time because of inevitable circumstances, not intentionally.
And where he has proven that Islam is not superior? He removed Buddhism himself and also said he does not need any philosophy to prove Islam is superior. It is a clear-cut forfeit from the resolution.
When there is no other philosophy to compare then Islam is being monopoly automatically proving Islam is only one option being superior.
My opponent is confused, and taking different stances in each argument, nullifying the previous one by himself.
Con said:
“Pro is confusing a life philosophy, with life instructions. I deduce he is saying that Islam is an instruction set. Yet the definition of philosophy is as he posted is a theory or attitude that acts as a guiding (sic) principle for behavior”. I am not going to pick apart the individual list 'rules in Islam. This is about philosophy, not instruction”
Rebuttal:
Life is not being discussed here at all, operations related to life has been discussed.
I wonder What Would Be Guiding principle for Behavior not other than instructions?
I really do not understand what my opponent is implying here.
Conclusion:
- To be honest, my opponent has forfeited in debate more than me and even before me.
- He is not sure what he is debating about, at one point he picked Buddhism to be competing against Islam, at one point he left it. He said he did not need any philosophy to deal with me in the debate.
- At one point he said he just has to prove Islam is not superior and by proving it will make him win the debate. He does not need any philosophy to prove that, while at one point he said he needs some philosophy to compare to prove it.
- So it is clear from many statements which my opponent made in his arguments that he is contradicting himself many times.
- Con is very much passive regarding arguments from me, and he has ignored all arguments made by me and never tried to refute it.
- Con become very emotional about comment section which is not part of debate.
- Being emotional in debate does not prove you are correct.
- Yet I want to apologize to my opponent if he had expectations from me, yet I failed to behave in that order. I will improve myself according to what is being said in debate. And try to apply instructions taught by Islam in sha Allah.
- Islam is very much natural religion, it does not give instructions like if someone slap your one cheek then give him the other to slap. Which is very impractical because a person who is in that much rage to slap you at one cheek can slap you again on others. And with this he is not going to learn anything but will return to the same condition. And probably he will never learn his lesson, unless you give him justice.
- Islam says if someone comes to fight with you, then you have full right to defend yourself, not surrender and get hurt or die. Though if you have incapacitated him or her then forgiving is the best option. And there are numerous examples even at large since the beginning of Islam.
- About Forfeit, I can say my opponent has done more time with his statements, Forfeit written in red does not mean it's an only way to forfeit. Something said carelessly can also be a good form of forfeit.
- So I encourage voters to consider this, who forfeited first.
- I apologize to Con if he got frustrated by my behavior in the comment section.
Thank you everyone,
Islam is best,
Be a Muslim and show Muslims are good.
Con
#8
Pro has stated, in summary, that I have not argued, that I have trolled, and I have not addressed their individual statements. I need to remind Pro about the third rule, they requested.
3 No insult to Islam, and our beliefs.
How am I to question the voracity, and challenge the tenant that Islam is superior to all, without "insulting" the religion or belief. Out of pure respect, I have opted not to focus on disrupting Islam, rather I have chosen to show an alternative. Yet Pro is utterly blind to that fact that I have taken the most respectful approach, and argues that I am a troll, and have no idea how to debate.
It is up to the Judges to determine if I have shown enough doubt that Islam is not the "best" and infact there are alternatives.
Confusion
Pro states in that last argument
Islam is very much natural religion, it does not give instructions like if someone slap your one cheek then give him the other to slap.
(emphasis added)
Yet in Round 1., Pro lists the following required under Islam:
- 9 Instructions for drinking
- 15 instructions for using the toilet,
- 7 instructions for walking
- 16 instructions for talking
- 6 instructions for sleeping,
- And Many more.
Pro has misrepresented the system he is trying to defend.
I find it very difficult to believe that a philosophical system that micromanages ones life is :the best". At the core, certain religions and philosophical positions are designed to be a type of indentured servitude, where the work in your is for the benefit of a deity or prophet, be-it God, Allah, Mohammad, Jesus, Mary, Shiva, Vishnu etc.
i have shown a system that does not require servitude. Pro's list of Islamic features is not an argument about why it is the best.
Pro has failed to meet a BoP that Islam is the best. If Pro's conduct is representative of Islam, then his conduct, even in this debate, is not superior to others. He has insulted me, and misrepresented me, and I have not done the same. He has gone back on his word, and flipped that on me. He has tried to infer that I have forfeited, and because he does not understand what I wrote, I have the problem.
I think that the conduct demonstrated, ignoring the forfeit, is a clear win.
I extend my Forfeit argument, and all others.
Round 5
Pro
#9
My opponent thinks I am inviting him to insult my religion?
It is very weird if my opponent thought that way.
My opponent should not become emotional and personal, but to focus on arguments.
Swings from opponent on his stance is to present alternative is strange. He chose Buddhism then left it and said he does not need any philosophy to deal with me.
Am I confused, or my opponent?
Saying you trolled the debate is not an insult at all. It means you have not taken the debate seriously.
Yet I have apologized if I was being harsh, though I am not. My opponent is very sensitive and very emotional as well. In debate these things do not let you win, only facts and figures do and solid arguments as well.
Have you not seen my dedication to debate?
How much effort I have put to present my arguments, and what is your response?
Few questions and some opinion and baiting like-minded voters and some broken link.
Is it not trolling, then what else is?
You just ignored whatever I have said, and your response is just one-sided. There are few cherry-picks.
I can assure you have not read my whole arguments.
There is nothing left in this debate. Still, I thank you for participation.
My efforts have already been acknowledged and appreciated by Allah, he already told me about it, but I did not understand why I am being told that my efforts have been accepted. Like something going to happen with debate. I did not know then, that there could be a forfeit from me, which I have never done in my debating history. But this was not in my hands.
Let's end this quick so that I can start a new debate.
After this I am going to debate about Mother of all believers Aisha (R.a) and her marriage with Prophet Muhammad saw.
Islam is best.
Be a Muslim and show Muslims are good people.
Con
#10
Pro Claims as the resolution agreed.
Islam issuperior to any other philosophy for operating one's life
Pro gave a very detailed account to the instructional nature of Islam. The code, the practices, the steps one must follow and adhere to, Pro infers philosophy equates to instructions, I argue it does not. Pro has not established:
- Islam is superior to any other philosophy for operating one's life
- Buddhism, is an inferior philosophy
- Any single element of Islam that does de-facto make it a superior philosophy.
- Any single element of all other philosophies that render those philosophies inferior to Islam
I demonstrated very clearly that there is an argument to be made that Islam is not superior. I meet my burden of proof by achieving that objective.
Pro set a rule that forbids insulting Islam or the beliefs. As stated int he last round, I took a very respectful approach not to argue about the legitimacy of Islam. I am arguing if Islam is a superior philosophy or not. Pro has negated to understand this, despite significant efforts on my part. Pro states Islam is a philosophy, and not a list of instructions, and yet gave a list of over 40 instructions. Pro wanted to argue about the merits of those instructions. Later Pro claims that Islam is not about instructions. With such an uncertainty, how can it be superior?
Pro Conduct
- Pro accused me of trolling because I was not taking the debate seriously. I did not forfeit any rounds and responded effectively.
- Pro set the rules, and broke one of the rules by forfeiting a round.
- Pro set a rule, not to insult Islam or the beliefs, which is a dangerous line to draw. Insults are subjective and not objective. I followed this very carefully out of absolute respect, and was only admonished and criticized for it. I refused to get into an argument on semantics, when the discussion is about the superiority of a philosophy.
- Rule 6 of Pro states that the first argument was to outline your beliefs, and yet attacked me for not responding to their opening statements.
- Pro has accused me of being incoherent, not taking the debate seriously, being emotional, not reading the entire argument etc. For the last point, Pro says "I can assure you have not read my whole arguments." Pro has no way to know this. That is a statement without any fact, and really undermines Pro's credibility to other "facts" they state.
Conclusion
I win for the following three reasons:
- Pro broke their rules and forfeited a round.
- Pro has not established that Islam is superior to any other philosophy
- Pro's conduct is demonstrative of Islam, as he claims to be a devout Muslim. How can a philosophy that encourages such vitriol be superior? It cannot.
I would encourage Pro to stop attacking people, and use cohesive words, and arguments. Pro demanded respect for their philosophy in the rules, and showed none to their opponent. I shall use this as an example for my children on what not to do in a debate.
i hope Pro finds peace and tranquility.
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Pro conceded by his own rules.
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
Pro does a good opening explaining that Islam means submission and peace, and is therefore superior to any other philosophy one might embrace. He goes into great detail about such things as how Muslims wake up, bath, eat, etc. It needs to be said that there can be too much detail.
Con counters with Buddhism, which is based on improvement from within instead of surrendering to external forces. They also have a focus on non-violence, and have some cool stuff that someone need not fully commit to Buddhism to receive benefit from.
Hell vs. Reincarnation:
This argument initiated by con stood out as high quality. One religion uses fear to coerce actions or be forever punished, the other believes in a cycle of rebirth we can eventually grow past.
Medicine:
Pro claims Buddhists are against use of medicine, opting to instead rely solely on thoughts and prayers (err, meditation and mindfulness).
Meditation:
Pro is able to edge out here on the comparisons, given that meditation is good, and Muslims meditate at least five times per day.
Non-violence:
Con uses Buddhism being non-violent, and pro counters with a wiki source for them being just as violent as any other religion. Pro weirdly goes on to cite how Buddhists don't kill animals, which is clearly in favor of them being far less violent (I get the point here was to make fun of Buddhist rhetoric about animal ancestors in the cycle of rebirth).
This line by line rebuttal to everything (even con stating how he would try to argue), is just too painful for me. Voting just conduct for the forfeiture, per the automatic loss rule.
Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:
The dispute over Pro's rule-break became largely irrelevant, since I felt that Con won arguments anyway.
Pro gives a lengthy description of Islam, perhaps more than was necessary. Pro wants me to assume that a philosophy with more rules is better, but he does little to argue for why that is true. Con gives a few benefits of Buddhism and argues that no philosophy is "the best," but there's not much in the way of a direct comparison to Islam. Pro mitigates this somewhat, arguing that Islam is better for meditation and managing one's life. But then Con comes back strong, arguing, "I find it very difficult to believe that a philosophical system that micromanages ones life is :the best". At the core, certain religions and philosophical positions are designed to be a type of indentured servitude, where the work in your is for the benefit of a deity or prophet, be-it God, Allah, Mohammad, Jesus, Mary, Shiva, Vishnu etc." This seems like the best example of something that directly addresses the resolution, it flips most of what Pro said, and I don't see a response from Pro. In the end, Pro's criticisms of Buddhism largely fall short after Con makes the point about indentured servitude since Con is arguing that people ought to take aspects from both Islam and Buddhism—it might not be the debate Pro was looking for, but it falls within the scope of the resolution.
Brothers i could copy only this debate from DDO, just after that, they just shut down the website, very bad i could not copy others. this is the debate i did with KingDebater.
in 2012 i guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwyYCM8vEjQ
Sir. You keep inferring that I was crying, and I was not. You did not look at the merits of the words I spoke. You violated your own rule and were upset about that. I was nothing but polite, and gracious and in spite of that, you attack. If I prayed, I would pray for you.
"O you who have believed, fulfil [your] obligations." (Quran 5:1)
"And fulfil every commitment. Indeed, the commitment is ever [that about which one will be] questioned." (Quran 17:34)
"O you who have believed, why do you say what you do not do? Great is hatred in the sight of Allah that you say what you do not do." (Quran 61:2-3)
"And keep the covenant. Indeed, the covenant is ever [that about which one will be] questioned." (Quran 17:34)
"O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in justice, witnesses for Allah, even if it be against yourselves or parents and relatives. Whether one is rich or poor, Allah is more worthy of both." (Quran 4:135)
If you're looking for judges, rayhan16, Vici, and Yassine are probably the most active Muslim users.
To be fair, we’ve repeatedly had “Muslim” trolls. While I don’t think that is a fair representation of all Muslims, it does lower quality expectations here.
A refinement I suggest for future debates about Muslims is using concise comparative facts. That Muslims sleep and eat does not help them, because it is taken for granted that so does everyone else. However their education levels, life expectancy, etc.; those are great for comparing.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2011/01/27/future-of-the-global-muslim-population-main-factors/
It will still be very subjective, such as if their abilities at war are a positive or a negative.
What if I set it, so that I couldn’t vote-bomb?
We debate, with Judges’ decision. All the voters selected will be muslim.
can you imagine the biased statement of lencelot?
This is mind set here?
Muslim will lose any debate against atheist? Hahaha very funny.
this shows dishonesty. That means you guys won't let me win because you are dominant on this website?
And you can get away with it with your vote bombs?
Try me brother, challenge anything, also if vote to be cased like sevant did then it's sure we will lose. Otherwise, no chance.
How much slainte was crying in debate, he was so confused even for his stance and left debate in the mid.
Believe me, my first debate was more rough on DDO. And in last round debater himself said that this debate is tie and no one should vote for him and for me. But still people vote bomb against me. Its shame.
You can't win fair and square.
Brother, i am an old debater, and I am not hyper at all. It's casual, nothing serious, but the RFD from sevant is not a good one. How you call him best debater and credible voter? He won 10 debates? Well, most of them are because of forfeit. Even he has won 10000 debates. But voting is something else. He put himself in your shoes when voted. I am just asking moderator to take actions, and he must improve his RFD. Be honest, we did not carry debate. It was dismissed, and you already know you can't win this debate based on arguments. Because there are not many from you. You left debate. i rebutted each of your statement in detail. His RFD shows, clearly, he did not read the debate. I have already break down his RFD any doubt in that analysis? This is not strange, for a Muslim he has to do separate debate for his arguments for his votes and the votes cast against him as well. i have faced this before.
Muslims would lose any debate about Islam vs Atheism.
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Tigerlord, it does not matter in your "sniveling boo hoo cry-baby" posts #79, 80, and 82 anymore because YOU ADMIT that you are going against your stinking camel humper Islamic religion in just being upon this DEBATEART forum in the first place, remember goat-herder Muslim? Huh?
YOUR QUOTE AGAIN GOING DIRECTLY AGAINST YOUR CAMEL HUMPER ALLAH GOD AND HIS INSPIRED ISLAMIC PRECEPTS: “Otherwise, it would be wastage of time, Quran has forbid us to debate or argue with ignorant.”
Key words to your QUOTE above: Quran has FORBID us to DEBATE or ARGUE with ignorant.
Therefore, since your toilet paper Quran FORBIDS you to DEBATE or ARGUE your stinking dung invested Islamic religion, and along with the following 4 "precepts" to substantiate this FACT, then you are no longer to be within this DEBATEART Religion forum anymore, get it Quran fool? Huh?
1. أَنَا زَعِيمٌ بِبَيْتٍ فِي رَبَضِ الْجَنَّةِ لِمَنْ تَرَكَ الْمِرَاءَ وَإِنْ كَانَ مُحِقًّا
"I guarantee a house on the outskirts of Paradise for one who abandons arguments even if he is right."
Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4800, Grade: Sahih
2. الْمِرَاءُ فِي الْعِلْمِ يُقَسِّي الْقَلْبَ وَيُوَرِّثُ الضَّغائِنَ
"Arguing about sacred knowledge hardens the heart and produces resentment."
Source: al-Madkhal ilá al-Sunan al-Kubrá 178
3. الْمِرَاءُ فِي الْعِلْمِ يُقَسِّي الْقَلْبَ وَيُؤَثِّرُ الضَّغْنَ
"Arguing about sacred knowledge causes the heart to harden and breeds hatred."
Source: Jāmi’ al-‘Ulūm wal-Ḥikam 1/248
4. الْمِرَاءُ وَالْجِدَالُ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَذْهَبُ بِنُورِ الْعِلْمِ مِنْ قَلْبِ الرَّجُلِ
Disputation and arguments about sacred knowledge cause the light of knowledge to extinguish in a man’s heart."
Malik ibn Anas, may Allah have mercy on him.
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You have accused me, and one of the best debaters and judges on this site of not reading the entire debate. I encourage you to re-read my debate responses.
I never petitioned for votes. I presented an argument in a manner that you did not like. I did not insult your religion and was nothing but respectful. I am genuinely confused why you do not look at the merits of the words. Instead, you attack the person, being myself and Savant. I ask you to look into your soul and ask yourself if the anger and negativity you are bestowing on others are truly reflective of who you are as a person. I think you are a better person than that. You showed great compassion for Islam, and as I said, I respect that. Reading your RFD notes, it is clear that you wanted a different debate than was agreed on. I hope you get that debate in future.
Voter said:
“Pro gives a lengthy description of Islam, perhaps more than was necessary. “
Refutation:
Its not your part to decide how lengthy my argument should be totally irrelevant, which proves he did not read it.
Voter Said:
Pro wants me to assume that a philosophy with more rules is better, but he does little to argue for why that is true.
Refutation:
brother what are you doing?
This is not your duty to assume or debate with me. You are mere voter. You have to vote what is within debate.
I am speechless, literally speechless. Its childish.
Did I not say a system to be best or superior need to have complete set of code. And from definition of life I extracted the idea that, the more instruction from some system the more near to perfection it is. Resolution was which philosophy is superior for someone’s operating life.
We need to identify operations related to life so that we can analyze are those instructions for operations of life are good or not. Which con totally neglected and you also did not see that point I made in my 2nd argument. Kids grow up.
Voter Said:
“ Con gives a few benefits of Buddhism and argues that no philosophy is "the best," but there's not much in the way of a direct comparison to Islam”
Refutation:
voter found same things to be benefits of buddhism while not from me? Its strange and baised.
I gave alternative of what con gave from buddhism and argued the disadvantages of buddhism in that regard. Probably voter did not read that as well, such a shame.
I claimed Islam is best, while Con himself admitted that no philosophy is best. Its clear cut forfeit from the resolution. What are you doing brother here? Shame
Voter Said:
“ Pro mitigates this somewhat, arguing that Islam is better for meditation and managing one's life.”
Refutation:
brother you have some problem with me?
Am i mitigating? This is what you are saying for the good of me?
This is how your are appreciating me? Funny it is LOL.
Voter Said:
“But then Con comes back strong, arguing, "I find it very difficult to believe that a philosophical system that micromanages ones life is :the best".
Refutation:
I did not find that argument at all in debate. Where is it? And there is no reason to accept this.
Even that argument is made, there is no reason given why a system which micromanages ones life cant be best.
Here is Voter making his own assumptions. And trying to make me wrong with his own argument in RFD. Shame.
Voter said:
“ At the core, certain religions and philosophical positions are designed to be a type of indentured servitude, where the work in your is for the benefit of a deity or prophet, be-it God, Allah, Mohammad, Jesus, Mary, Shiva, Vishnu etc."
Refutation:
this where Con gave questions. Completely baiting his like minded people and voter got trapped in that trap. Such a shame. Did I not mention it in debate to not go on that route.
Con just gave question but not the argument why its bad. In rebuttal I said that every system has some strict to be followed to implement that system. Like police in any country. If that is good for the people there should be no argument about it to be bad, because it is not.
While this argument was never put by Con. It was just questions. And fear of hell and heaven was mentioned.
My debate was with slainte not sevant.
Why is he debating with me in vote section?
He said,
This seems like the best example of something that directly addresses the resolution, it flips most of what Pro said, and I don't see a response from Pro
read the debate one more time and then vote again brother please.
He said,
In the end, Pro's criticisms of Buddhism largely fall short after Con makes the point about indentured servitude since Con is arguing that people ought to take aspects from both Islam and Buddhism—it might not be the debate Pro was looking for, but it falls within the scope of the resolution.
There was no such argument.
I am telling he is trying to debate with me in vote section.
He never refuted any of my argument, he was just complaining about my behavior in comment section.
I already argued about that, in buddhism there is external influence.
There are books and practices there are tamples of buddah.
People give charity in the name of buddah. There was a guy who had idol of buddah in the form of amulet and was not letting us touch it.
Buddah is considered god by many as well.
And so on.
I am very disappointed from voter to vote bomb on this debate.
If he has given him points on forfeit it would be justified but saying he made better argument while there are no arguments at all then its shame.
Brother, let me break down your RFD
you guys giving tie for better source while his links did not work.
how biased. well i will see who will do this onward.
as i will never leave that chance for anyone to have.
his bait to invite atheist to vote bomb worked.
very nice, same vibe which i saw during DDO times.
and i got almost 60 votes. and all top voters voted me then. and all worst vote bombed against me and some vote bombed in my favor as well.
brother, you had to give a RFD for your vote, not debate with me. What you did in RDF is totally extensions and further more assumptions from the no arguments from con. i feel very bad about it.
you got to give points to what is already in debate not to add to make your RTF a debate itself.
i would consider it vote bomb. if you will not explain it to me here i would call jury about this.
vote based on forfeit should give conduct points. and did you not see swings by con. he himself was not satisfied with his Buddhism argument and wanted to change his strategy to tackle.
bro what are you doing. you took his bait. he did not give any reason why believing in deity and being atheist and not effected by external force is better.
i am sure you did not see the refutation about it. you probably left my part just like con did. i gave example that people do good because of fear of getting punished in any system.
like every country has police. and still there come troubles.
bro such a shame after seeing your vote. How biased and UN just that is.
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PaperTiger, "the baby talk Muslim" as shown herewith: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there." https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
We can see why you picked a stupid SIX MONTH VOTING PERIOD, and that was so everyone will forget about you LOSING this debate to Slainte as shown thus far! Nice move, Muslim LIAR!
Since you have to leave DEBATEART Religion Forum because you said the Quran doesn't allow you to dispute, argue, or debate anyone, of which you UNGODLY did in the first place, then set your timer for SIX MONTHS from now to check back to see how badly you lost this debate with Slainte!
Albeit, that you are even having some of your "Carpet Kisser" Muslim friends join this forum to be able to vote for you! LOL!
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NEXT GOAT-HERDER MUSLIM LIKE "TIGERLORD" THAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ON DEBATEART RELIGION FORUM BECAUSE HE SAYS THE QURAN AND MUSLIM PRECEPTS SAY MUSLIMS ARE NOT TO BE HERE TO DEBATE, WILL BE ...?
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PaperTiger, "the baby talk Muslim" as shown herewith: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there." https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
YOU ADMIT THAT YOU CANNOT DISPUTE, ARGUE, OR DEBATE HERE AT DEBATEART WHEN YOU SAID: "Quran has forbid us to debate or argue with ignorant.”
https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53713
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Then the following Muslim "PRECEPTS" agree with you that if you followed you Muslim faith, then again, you are NOT TO BE UPON THIS RELIGION FORUM as shown below:
1. أَنَا زَعِيمٌ بِبَيْتٍ فِي رَبَضِ الْجَنَّةِ لِمَنْ تَرَكَ الْمِرَاءَ وَإِنْ كَانَ مُحِقًّا
"I guarantee a house on the outskirts of Paradise for one who abandons arguments even if he is right."
Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4800, Grade: Sahih
2. الْمِرَاءُ فِي الْعِلْمِ يُقَسِّي الْقَلْبَ وَيُوَرِّثُ الضَّغائِنَ
"Arguing about sacred knowledge hardens the heart and produces resentment."
Source: al-Madkhal ilá al-Sunan al-Kubrá 178
3. الْمِرَاءُ فِي الْعِلْمِ يُقَسِّي الْقَلْبَ وَيُؤَثِّرُ الضَّغْنَ
"Arguing about sacred knowledge causes the heart to harden and breeds hatred."
Source: Jāmi’ al-‘Ulūm wal-Ḥikam 1/248
4. الْمِرَاءُ وَالْجِدَالُ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَذْهَبُ بِنُورِ الْعِلْمِ مِنْ قَلْبِ الرَّجُلِ
Disputation and arguments about sacred knowledge cause the light of knowledge to extinguish in a man’s heart."
Malik ibn Anas, may Allah have mercy on him.
Therefore, YOU ADMIT that you have to LEAVE this DEBATEART Religion Forum! We thank you!
Bye, bye!
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How scared u r this time. Devil followers. Last time what u did is not going to happen this time. i will destroy you this time in sha Allah with the mercy of Allah.
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PaperTiger, "the baby talk Muslim" as shown herewith: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there." https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
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YOUR QUOTE WHERE YOU ARE STILL RUNNING AWAY FROM MY STATEMENTS TO YOU THAT SHOW HOW ABHORRED YOUR ISLAM FAITH TRULY IS: “Your messages are becoming smaller. Improvement.”
Thank you for reminding me that my messages should be BIGGER to include more DISGUSTING FACTS about your camel humping Islam, where you can run away from these FACTS as well! Do you want to go against your camel humping religion and talk about INFANT BABY SEX that is allowed by sweaty and stinky old Muslim Men as shown in the following link?
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016/posts/391549
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YOUR QUOTE GOING DIRECTLY AGAINST YOUR GOAT HUMPER ALLAH AND HIS INSPIRED ISLAMIC PRECEPTS!!!!: “Otherwise, it would be wastage of time, Quran has forbid us to debate or argue with ignorant.”
YOU are the ignorant one because you were in a debate with the winner to be announced Slainte, that easily won your debate that you were not even supposed to bring forth in the first place TO YOUR OWN ADMITTANCE SHOWN ABOVE, and as specifically shown in the following "precepts" of your faith!!! LOL!
1. أَنَا زَعِيمٌ بِبَيْتٍ فِي رَبَضِ الْجَنَّةِ لِمَنْ تَرَكَ الْمِرَاءَ وَإِنْ كَانَ مُحِقًّا
"I guarantee a house on the outskirts of Paradise for one who abandons arguments even if he is right."
Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4800, Grade: Sahih
2. الْمِرَاءُ فِي الْعِلْمِ يُقَسِّي الْقَلْبَ وَيُوَرِّثُ الضَّغائِنَ
"Arguing about sacred knowledge hardens the heart and produces resentment."
Source: al-Madkhal ilá al-Sunan al-Kubrá 178
3. الْمِرَاءُ فِي الْعِلْمِ يُقَسِّي الْقَلْبَ وَيُؤَثِّرُ الضَّغْنَ
"Arguing about sacred knowledge causes the heart to harden and breeds hatred."
Source: Jāmi’ al-‘Ulūm wal-Ḥikam 1/248
4. الْمِرَاءُ وَالْجِدَالُ فِي الْعِلْمِ يَذْهَبُ بِنُورِ الْعِلْمِ مِنْ قَلْبِ الرَّجُلِ
Disputation and arguments about sacred knowledge cause the light of knowledge to extinguish in a man’s heart."
Malik ibn Anas, may Allah have mercy on him.
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Paper Tiger, since you are correct that you are not supposed to ARGUE, DISPUTE, OR DEBATE your camel humping Islam religion, then you blatantly went against your camel humper Allah and the Islamic precepts shown above!!!!!!!!! We thank you for showing this fact at your embarrassing expense!
Therefore, guess what? You are now to FORFEIT your entire debate to be true to Islamic precepts, and Slainte is the winner sooner than he thought he was going to be! LOL!
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Paper Tiger, you now have to leave DEBATEART Religion Forum because of YOUR OWN admittance that you are not supposed to be here in the first place as explicitly shown above when you went against Islam! In the meantime, here is a picture of you now having to run away from DEBATEART: https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEKNBP9
Paper tiger, it was fun in making you the outright Muslim fool where you had to run away from disgusting FACTS about your faith, so pet your camels for me, and buh--bye! LOL!
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Brother,
Your messages are becoming smaller. Improvement.
Would you become Muslim if I give good, convincing answers to your questions?
Otherwise, it would be wastage of time, Quran has forbid us to debate or argue with ignorant.
That is why I was not responding to you. But if there is hope for you, I can do efforts.
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tigerlord,
YOUR COMICAL AND REVEALING QUOTE: "LOL, in feel sorry for you :D Islam, the fastest growing religion of the world."
You don't have to feel sorry for me, but I have to be dreadfully sorry for you because you have to RUN AWAY from my Islamic disparaging facts all the time in this comment section alone! LOL! I can just see you "soiling your pants" when you read my FACTS about your sickening faith, where you can't answer them, but to only RUN AWAY from them as your camel humper Allah God watches you in disrespect for doing so! (Quran 4:1)
Are you still too SCARED to at least "try" and defend my DISGUSTING ISLAMIC FACTS in the "The beauties of Islam" thread where I am showing the membership in how Islamic STUPID you truly are? Huh? If you are that SCARED to soil your pants all the time because of my FACTS against your pathetic Islam religion, then just take your diaper off your head and use it in your private parts area, since you are a baby anyway as shown in your BABY TALK post herewith: https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
Seriously, is there another camel-rider Muslim that can defend their sickening faith of Islam, because AS EXPLICITLY SHOWN, Paper Tiger cannot do it because he has to RUN AWAY and hide from disparaging Islamic facts! Anyone? Please, this is to embarrassing for Paper Tiger, someone help him out, PLEASSSSSSSE!
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LOL, in feel sorry for you :D
Islam, the fastest growing religion of the world.
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Oh, oh, the “Carpet Kisser” tigerlord, aka, Paper Tiger, IS LOSING IT in this debate in round 4 as shown once again in getting so upset that he cannot defend his Islamic faith and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath! What did we expect from a goat-herder Muslim in the 21st century? LOL!!!
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PAPER TIGERS LITTLE “CRY BABY” QUOTE: “Well I am also a human being, when someone is being disrespectful to your prophet then it hurts us, and we become impulsive too.” https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394-islam-vs-anything1?argument_number=7
Being disrespectful to the camel humper PEDOPHILE Mohammad, especially in him marrying a SIX YEAR OLD GIRL named Aisha, is not disrespectful, but a RIGHT AND FACT to do so in how abhorred Islam truly is! Oh my, it “hurt poor baby Paper Tiger,” booo hooo, when one shows his Mohammad prophet to be a sickening pedophile and a dunce, where Paper Tiger infers that Slainte should apologize, NOT, EVER!
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PAPER TIGERS QUOTE OF BEING A HYPOCRITE: “Me being harsh with someone else in the comment section is none of the concern of debate. And it should not make you emotional at all.”
Conversely, then if Paper Tiger practiced what he preaches, then he should not be upset with my words OF DISCUSSION towards this foolish Muslim in the comment section in showing him to be the outright LIAR AND HYPOCRITE to Islam!
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PAPER TIGERS QUOTE SHOWING THAT HE IS VOID OF RATIONAL THOUGHT AGAIN IN RELATING TO “PRO”: “There are no arguments from you and there is no rebuttal from you”
“PRO” answers the readers AND the lousy debater Paper Tiger at the same time in his post #6, and just because “PRO” easily makes Paper Tiger the fool that he is relative to his sickening faith of Islam, does not mean that “PRO’S” way of debating does not hold recognition!
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How embarrassing can Paper Tiger get in his post #7 in the “Con said” and “Rebuttal” section! Where now since Paper Tiger knows that he is blatantly losing the debate, therefore he has to spin doctor that “PRO” is forfeiting the debate in other means! Whats the next lame and child-like EXCUSE that Paper Tiger will bring forth?
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PAPER TIGERS QUOTE: “Islam is very much natural religion,…”
Really? Is it “natural” to allow stinky and sweaty Muslim Men to FU*K prepubescent little girls that are not old enough to have babies, like Islam promotes, and that their PEDOPHILE Mohammad did with marrying his 6 YEAR OLD CHILD BRIDE AISHA?!
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The camel-rider Paper Tiger doesn’t realize it yet, but logic and rational thought are NOT on his side in this debate, simply because of what the disparaging faith of true Islam stands for in the first place in the 21st century, where Slainte's Buddhism if far superior to the thinking of "normal" human beings throughout the world!
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PaperTiger, "the baby talk Muslim" as shown herewith: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there." https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
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Answer the following questions, and if you don’t, then you are guilty of them by being SILENT to them! 2+2=4! Don't forget, the goat-humper Allah God is watching you if you RUN AWAY again in trying to defend his faith! (Quran 4:1)
1. Since you are married, GOD FORBID, tell us in how many times you had to BEAT YOUR WIFE as your Islamic faith says you are to do if your wife gets out of line to the filthy stinking laws of Islam? To SCARED to answer this simple question because you are to follow Islam rules to BEAT your wife as shown in these links:
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016/posts/388234
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016/posts/388
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2. Did you marry your wife when she was a prepubescent little girl before she could have children, where you were an outright PEDOPHILE in screwing her until she could have babies? To SCARED to answer this question because your sickening faith of Islam says you can marry “little prepubescent girls” as shown in these revealing and repulsive links:
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016/posts/388516
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/photos/muslim-child-brides/index.htm
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3. Do you have any daughters, and if so, when did you CUT THE CLITORIS off of them so you can follow your abominable Islamic faith as it says to do upon young girls! Too SCARED to answer this question, even though your nauseating faith says you are to do this appalling act against them as shown in the following links?!
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016/posts/388599
https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEKW2UC
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4. To spread your evil faith of Islam, do you tell the non-muslim that you are trying to get to be a stinking Mulsim like you, that your leader sweaty camel assed Mohammad lived in a cave on Mount Hira, where he could not even read or right the “chicken scratches” of your written Islamic faith? Do you also tell them that your ungodly Mohammad MARRIED A SIX YEAR OLD “CHILD” GIRL NAMED AISHA as a PEDOPHILE, where he also liked to fondle LITTLE GIRLS, before his marriage? Don’t forget to tell them that your goat-herder Mohammad BEAT his little girl bride AISHA as well, as the following links support the above situations!
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016/posts/388237
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016/posts/388408
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Take heed you repulsive Muslim fool, YOU LIED in your opening “cut and paste” remarks to your deplorable and comical faith of Islam when you DID NOT give the sickening and dreadful facts shown above! How does it feel to be an outright MUSLIM LIAR upon this Religion Forum?
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NEXT MUSLIM LIKE THE DIAPER-HEADED “TIGERLORD, AKA, PAPER TIGER,” THAT WANTS TO “TRY” AND DEFEND THE MOST ABHORRED FAITH OF ISLAM, WILL BE …?
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PaperTiger, "the baby talk Muslim" as shown herewith: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there." https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
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YOUR QUOTE RELATIVE TO YOUR SICKENING ISLAMIC FAITH THAT ALLOWS THE BEATING OF WIVES, ALLOWS MUSLIM MEN TO MARRY PREPUBESCENT KIDS AS PEDOPHILES, AND CUTTING OFF THE CLITORIS OF YOUNG WOMEN SO THEY CAN’T ENJOY SEX!!!!!: “Whatever you are asking, I have done debates about them and there are good answers for them too.”
BULLSH*T! In the 21st century there is absolutely NO WAY any argument could be made by any stupid camel-herder Muslim like YOU that would put the above situations in the right light, do you understand you simple-minded hell bound goat-humper Muslim?! How totally sickening can you get in front of the membership?
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YOUR RUN AWAY QUOTE IN FRONT OF YOUR GOAT-HUMPER GOD ALLAH!!!: “but the question is that, shall i answer you or not? the asnwer is not.”
Of course you cannot defend your abhorred Islam faith as it has been shown many times by me alone! You are the poorest example of a “Carpet Kisser” Muslim that has ever been to this esteemed Religion Forum! Look at you, YOU show how dreadful your Muslim faith is in your debate that should have been called off because YOU set the rules that YOU went against!
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YOUR RUN AWAY QUOTE ONCE AGAIN IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP: “i do not want to have debate with you because, i need a formal debate about these topics which you do not want to do.”
For the LAST TIME camel rider Muslim Paper Tiger, I DO NOT debate as you are “trying to do” in this Religion Forum, but only DISCUSS the topic at hand in the forum that you are to SCARED to enter because of your outright stupidity of ALL of the ramifications of your sickening camel humping and deplorable faith of Islam!
Now, I will continue to show your obnoxious faith of Islam in the following thread WITH OR WITHOUT YOU, but I will continue to bring your name up as the current hell bound stinking Muslim that is too SCARED to try and defend his faith in this thread: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016-the-beauties-of-islam?page=4
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YOUR QUOTE IN RUNNING AWAY FROM THE FACTS OF YOUR SMELLY OLD DISGUSTING RELIGION OF ISLAM: “if you do not want that then keep your mouth shut. and do not waste your time for typing that much for vain. Because i swear to Allah i do not bother to read them.”
Heads up “Ahab the Arab,” the LAST PERSON on earth is YOU as a “diaper-headed” Muslim fool that is going to tell me to shut my mouth against your abhorred faith of Islam! Understand this FACT from now on!
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YOUR CONTINUOUS QUOTES THAT SHOW YOU TO BE A REALLY STUPID MUSLIM: “but i choose being polite. as the mission is to show the true massage of islam and my personal attitude must not affect the message.”
How does your sickness of a faith in Islam give a “true MASSAGE,” where does it have a “happy ending” as well, you repulsive hell bound Muslim?! LOL!
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Whatever you are asking, I have done debates about them and there are good answers for them too.
but the question is that, shall i answer you or not?
the asnwer is not.
i do not want to have debate with you because, i need a formal debate about these topics which you do not want to do.
if you really want to debate with me on those topics then you must instigate a debate or let me do it and you can accept my challange.
if you do not want that then keep your mouth shut. and do not waste your time for typing that much for vain. Because i swear to Allah i do not bother to read them.
i gave you chance, as slainte complaint about my behavior, and i looked back at myself and found i was at fault. even though in toxicity i can beat anyone as well.
but i choose being polite. as the mission is to show the true massage of islam and my personal attitude must not affect the message.
i apologize to anyone with whom i was harsh, i will correct myself in sha Allah.
thomas if you remain on the website and not get tired i will reply all those question with debate in near future, there is no rush at all. as i am busy person have work family and person life.
so i will do everything at my pace.
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PaperTiger, "the baby talk Muslim" as shown herewith: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there." https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
In your comical opening statement to your FORFEITED debate, you said the following, BUT, you forgot numbers 10-14!!!
Islam is perfect religion
1 Islam has given us family system.
2 Islam has given us social system.
3 Islam has given us governmental system.
4 Islam gives judicial system.
5 Islam has given us educational system.
6 Islam has given us military or bureaucratic system.
7 Islam has given us police system.
8 Islam has given us teaching and guidance in each aspect of life.
9 Islam has given us punishment system.
10 Islam gives the authority for men to BEAT THEIR WIVES!
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016/posts/388234
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016/posts/388500
11 Islam accepts that their founder Muhammad was a PEDOPHILE when he married a SIX YEAR OLD GIRL named Aisha, where he BEAT her too!
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016/posts/388237
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016/posts/388408
12 Islam gives men the authority to marry prepubescent little girls and FU*K them as PEDOPHILES before they can even have babies!
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016/posts/388516
https://iranpoliticsclub.net/photos/muslim-child-brides/index.htm
14 Islam provides a ritual where they are to CUT OFF THE CLITORIS of young girls so they do not enjoy the sext act!
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016/posts/388599
https://www.imagebam.com/view/MEKW2UC
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WHO WANTS TO BE A STINKING AND ABHORRED MUSLIM IN THE 21ST CENTURY WITH THE ADDITIONAL ISLAM FACTS #10 THRU 14, RAISE YOUR HANDS!
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PaperTiger, "the baby talk Muslim" as shown herewith: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there." https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
YOUR RUNAWAY QUOTE ONCE AGAIN IN YOU TRYING TO DEFEND YOUR CAMEL HUMPING ISLAMIC FAITH: "I am not here preaching right now but debating. I was very respectful and good, but you guys changed me."
What CHANGED YOU is the FACT that you cannot address the despicable facts of your STINKING Muslim faith that I have given you in this Comment Section, and therefore you have to RUN AWAY from it like a little boy crying to your mommy! You are a complete JOKE in being a "Carpet Kisser" Muslim, where I alone have shown you to be one of the biggest RUNAWAYS from your goat- humping Muslim faith that this esteemed Religion Forum has ever seen, bar none! Congratulations RUN AWAY Paper Tiger!
Now, to prove my point AGAIN that you cannot defend your abhorred Islamic religion, get your goat-herder Satanic ass into this thread NOW with no little boy excuses, for me to continue to Quran Slap you Silly in front of the membership, DO YOU UNDERSTAND RUNAWAY MOOOOOSLIM?
Here is the link AGAIN: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016-the-beauties-of-islam?page=4
WAITING!!!
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Open your eyes and see what i have did in comment section. in my society its even big deal. but as far as your society is concern, its just what even kids do in their formal conversations.
Why are you hyper about it?
i did not force you to debate with me.
i am being respectful with everyone who has been with me. in debate as well.
be careful next time do not debate with me.
tbh you are being child in debate. you do not know what you are talking and what you shall do for rebutting the arguments.
you are probably a child.
You are a troll, you are simply trolling in debate.
There i no argument from you at all. Simply wasting my time. Most of the debates you won were by forfeit.
what happens in the comment section is not part of the debate. And i have not done anything bad in comment section. i guess you guys call it freedom of speech. I am not here preaching right now but debating. I was very respectful and good, but you guys changed me. Have you seen the behavior of that mad dog Thomas?
You are teaching me how to debate? lol
as far as arguments are concern, you have put none. Just expressed your personal opinion about your stuff.
history has repeated, my first debate on DDO was like that, a trolled one and a vote bomb. But all remaining were good.
TBH everyone who debated me just run away after few arguments. Because i remove skin from hairs.
your behavior in debate is the same.
you just keep emotions away from debates. But you become emotional and your last argument is totally filled with emotions. and you kind of left the debate.
emotional statement are not getting you anywhere.
About forfeit its loose for me unless you agree. But u do not have spirit of debate to compete with arguments and logic but, you used forfeit to win the debate, such a shame. Instead of complaining me, you shall remove this stupid Thomas by reporting.
Admin do you have anything for toxic guys like thomas? They are running the vibe of debating website. A brain-dead person shall not have any place being here.
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tigerlord, aka, "Paper Tiger, the baby talk Muslim" as shown herewith: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there." https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
Since this debate of yours is embarrassingly DONE in your behalf, get your sorry sweaty camel ass back into the forum where I will finish you off in making you the continued RUN AWAY from your primitive and sickening Islamic faith, OR ARE YOU TO SCARED TO CONTINUE and will come up with yet more " little boy lame excuses" to run away from your stinking Quran and your cess pool Islamic faith as I have shown in said link below? LOL!
Here is the link you are to return to NOW to try and save face in front of the membership and ALLAH GOD: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016-the-beauties-of-islam?page=4
Don't be SCARED, where YOU will have to address ALL, and I repeat, ALL of the posts that I gave to your cohort RUNAWAY Muslim "Path2Paradise" in showing the membership in just how sickening your Muslim faith truly is, and where I will bring forth other Islamic sickening FACTS for you to "TRY" and defend in the name of your GOAT-HUMPER god named Allah!
Remember, your camel-humper Allah god as well, is watching you for your decision to RUN AWAY IN DEFEAT in front of your family and friends, or stay in his behalf: "Fashion coats of mail and measure their links with care and act righteously. ‘I AM WATCHING OVER WHAT EVER YOU DO." (Qur’an 34:11)
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I'LL BE WAITING!!!!
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Slainte,
YOUR QUOTE TO THE MUSLIM RUNAWAY "PAPER TIGER" FROM HIS SICKENING QURAN FACTS: "I do not consent to a reset. Nor will I debate you about this topic again. Your behaviour is not commensurate with someone I would like to interact with"
Barring what you think of me in having to show "Paper Tiger" to be the fool of his disparaging Islamic faith in the manner that I have shown, then in what you stated above could not be truer words!
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There is no direct way to reset a debate once it has started. Were there such a way, it would require explicit permission from both sides.
I do not consent to a reset. Nor will I debate you about this topic again. Your behaviour is not commensurate with someone I would like to interact with.
Can you reset this debate?
A better way to handle things at this point is to concede this one, but use existing arguments from before the forfeiture in a rematch.
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tigerlord, the "baby talk" Muslim as shown herewith: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there." https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
What you don't seem to realize is the blatant FACT that your camel humper Allah god is watching you RUNNING AWAY from at least "trying" to defend the Satanic Quran and his STENCHY and RANK smelling religion of Islam like you have done with me alone!
Therefore, since your goat-humper Allah god is WATCHING EVERYTHING you do, including your runaway status to your despicable Muslim faith, we can be sure that upon your earthly demise, you will be sent to JAHANNAM!
THE GOAT-HUMPER ALLAH GOD SAID: "Fashion coats of mail and measure their links with care and act righteously. ‘I AM WATCHING OVER WHAT EVER YOU DO." (Qur’an 34:11)
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NEXT UNGODLY JAHANNAM BOUND MUSLIM LIKE "TIGERLORD/PAPER TIGER" THAT RUNS AWAY FROM HIS CESS POOL FAITH OF ISLAM AS SHOWN BY NOT ADDRESSING MY POSTS 46, 51, AND 52, WILL BE ...?
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tigerlord, the "baby talk" Muslim as shown herewith: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there." https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
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Look at you, you can't even address my posts #46, #51, and #52, except to RUN AWAY from them and hide behind your camels, which shows your faith of Islam in being outright detestable! Therefore, how can you even continue with the debate in the first place, if you are going to RUN AWAY all the time to your sickening Islamic FACTS, whereas you are a PAPER TIGER, and have become SPEECHLESS! LOL!
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Mr. Paper Tiger, If you actually READ YOUR STINKING QUR'AN, you are not even supposed to be talking to me, or associating with me as a Christian, as shown in the following passage inspired by your repugnant camel humper god Allah! ....... "O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. And who so among you takes them for friends is indeed one of them. Verily, Allah guides not the unjust people." (Quran 5:52)
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Do yourself a BIG FAVOR, and bow out of this debate NOW, and run and hide from your foul smelling and nauseating Islamic faith, whereas if Slainte does not want to continue this debate, it will be a godsend in your behalf because we don't have to watch you TRY and defend Islam which is the most repulsive religion known to mankind at this time, understood?
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tigerlord, the "baby talk" Muslim as shown herewith: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there." https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
YOUR QUOTE TO ADMINISTRATION ABOUT YOU HAVING TROUBLE POSTING: "Why spaces are removed when argument is posted how it can check every single word from 30000 words argument. It seemed fine before posting, but after posting it removes spaces."
OH NO! Is this going to be your NEXT EXCUSE on why you can't defend your abhorred Islamic faith and your despicable god named Allah, and be somewhat intelligent looking in the aftermath?!
Instead of your moniker of "tiger lord," you should change it to "PAPER TIGER" instead because this meaning shows you to be a fake in outwardly trying to be powerful, but inwardly weak and ineffectual with your lame little Muslim boy responses throughout this comment section!
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Why spaces are removed when argument is posted how it can check every single word from 30000 words argument. It seemed fine before posting, but after posting it removes spaces.
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tigerlord, the "baby talk" Muslim as shown herewith: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there." https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
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YOUR QUOTE OF TRUTH TO YOUR ABHORRED FAITH OF ISLAM: "Islam is a complete code of life"
At the expense of innocent little prepubescent little Muslim GIRLS, it most certainly is a code of life as this link specifically shows TODAY how Muslim men can marry said prepubescent girls in being able to FU*K them until they can have babies, which is around 12 years old!
This disturbing link says it all about the Muslim Islamic faith relative to their PEDOPHILE men: https://iranpoliticsclub.net/photos/muslim-child-brides/index.htm
Who wants to be a PEDOPHILE camel-rider Muslim where the faith of Islam says you can have sex with young prepubescent little innocent girls where their tiny female genitalia is to small for the sweaty Muslim men to enter them ? Raise you hands!
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tigerlord, the "baby talk" Muslim as shown herewith: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there." https://www.debateart.com/debates/4394/comments/53453
YOUR CONTRADICTING QUOTE AGAIN!!!: "you want me to talk about that issue in forums?"
WAIT, you said before this quote of yours: "i do not read even 5% of your comment, i do not know why you bother to even comment when i never read them. it would be wastage of valuable time to even read them."
Therefore, can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E to your sickening Islamic faith AGAIN? What a moron you are! LOL!
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I told you that I DO NOT DEBATE in this venue, because of all the comical restrictions that you have set forth as one example, and the FACT that Jesus and I prefer the forums, understood? Now, if you are big of a chicken shit runaway to continue in the forums at this link: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016-the-beauties-of-islam?page=3 ...... then continue to run and hide, where I'll make you the continued fool nonetheless, understood?
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YOUR EXCUSE FOR YET ANOTHER RUNAWAY RESPONSE: "That is why this topic has been debated many times before and debater won debate.org. i tried too but bugs did not let me post my argument in last year."
Will you be using the EXCUSE shown above if Slainte allows you to continue in this debate if things aren't going you way? Too many "bugs" so you couldn't post your refutations at DDO? !!!ROFLOL!!!
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YOUR SICKENING QUOTE OF YOUR STUPID MUHAMMAD THAT MARRIED A SIX YEAR OLD GIRL CHILD AISHA: "Mother Aisha was precocious puberty. At the age of 9 to have menstruation shows his puberty reach to its final sprout "
H-E-L-L-O Muslim fool, you didn't mention that your stupid Muhammad marrying Aisha AT BEING SIX YEARS OLD, and the ramifications thereof! Furthermore, give exact FACTS, and not hearsay, where Aisha allegedly hit puberty at NINE YEARS OLD, and give FACTS that Muhammad wasn't fu*king her up until the time of her being 9 years old! Understood? Huh? Otherwise, Muhammad was a PEDOPHILE, and where your sweaty and stinky Muslim men are still PEDOPHILES in this day in marrying little prepubescent innocent little girls as this revealing link shows: https://iranpoliticsclub.net/photos/muslim-child-brides/index.htm
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If you don't run away from the forums link in question, Jesus and I are going to have a LOT OF FUN with you at your embarrassing expense in front of the membership! and your family members and friends as well if they are watching!
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There is even more guidance, and there are many medical benefits in those practices.
What I gave was a little demo of everything.
Islam is a complete code of life
You're telling me Islam has a 15-step guide on how to shit properly?
Maybe it isn't so bad after all.
you want me to talk about that issue in forums?
believe me i have done it many many times. they all become speachless.
i will do a full fledge debate after this debate.
if you really want you can join, I can challenge you or i can put it open and you can choose.
About this debate, i have already prepared arguments from DDO.
So i guess i can even start this debate even now.
But for little comfort for you let me share little data.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina
Mother Aisha was precocious puberty. At the age of 9 to have menstruation shows his puberty reach to its final sprout.
there is ton of data which your tiny brain could not handle right now.
that is why this topic has been debated many times before and debater won debate.org. i tried too but bugs did not let me post my argument in last year. But I posted them in comment section. There was a mad dog like u. which got shut.
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YOUR LYING QUOTE ABOUT MY TRUE STATUS OF BEING A TRUE CHRISTIAN!!!: "Dont get too upset over BrotherD.Thomas. He is an atheist pretending to be Christian to attack Christians and muslims."
How dare you say such LIES, whereas many pseudo-christians have never come across a TRUE Christian like me that has forgotten more about the Bible than they will ever learn from it, especially like YOU! You have RAN AWAY from me easily making you the pseudo-christian fool because of your Bible stupidity in the forums so many times that I have lost count, and you want to call yourself a Christian, NO WAY JOSE! LOL!
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tigerlord, the "baby talk" muslim as shown here: "For it is blah-blah upon blah-blah, blah-blah upon blah-blah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, gah-gah upon gah-gah, a little here, a little there."
YOUR COMICAL AND CONTRADICTING QUOTE AGAIN: "Swine, link the post from forum and let me see what you got. Swine, you are garbage, i did not want to waste time with you at all. i am a very busy guy."
If you don't want to waste your time with me in blatantly making you the STUPID muslim fool again, and again, then why do you want me to link the post to you to to see what I got? HELLO, anybody home today, obviously not! LOL! Furthermore, you are a BUSY GUY making a fool of yourself as you have to RUN AWAY from my factual propositions about your sickening Muslim faith!
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YOUR COMICAL AND CONTRADICTING QUOTE #2: "A person with sound mind and little honor will understand when someone is ignoring your nonsense, then you should not embarrass yourself more."
The only one that is embarrassed as shown, is YOU, because you are going against your own words of allegedly ignoring my statements, when in fact, you are not doing it as shown throughout your goat-herder low intellect! LOL!
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YOUR PLEADING QUOTE FOR ME TO LEAVE SO AS TO NOT MAKE YOU THE PSEUDO-MUSLIM FOOL ANYMORE: "you should get lost from here."
As I have told you ad infinitum, I am NOT leaving this comment section of your lost debate, because if Slainte agrees to continue this debate, Jesus and I will remain here to continue to make you the camel-herder outright Muslim fool of your faith, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? HUH? MAYBE?
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YOUR RUNAWAY FROM ISLAM QUOTE WHERE YOU ARE TO ASHAMED TO EVEN TRY AND REFUTE MY FACTUAL WORDS RELATIVE TO YOUR DESPICABLE FAITH OF ISLAM: "i do not read even 5% of your comment, i do not know why you bother to even comment when i never read them. it would be wastage of valuable time to even read them."
You can run away from my FACTS to your faith until your camels come home, but in the meantime, it shows EVERYONE that you can't defend your Islamic faith, other than to RUN AWAY from it and HIDE from it like a SCARED little boy that you are, just like your fellow goat-herder Muslim Path2Paradise had to do to try and save face! Understood Muslim run away?
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Jesus and I will be waiting to see if Slainte allows you to continue, and if not, I will still make you the muslim fool that you are in this thread in the forum starting on page 3 and beyond: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8016-the-beauties-of-islam?page=3
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Yes, I can guess from his attitude. He can go insulting Prophet Jesus (PBUH). Which as Muslim we do not like at all.
I have been debating with posters and saints from Christianity, they behave very well. His behavior is of ignorant and mannerless. An empty utensil sounds a lot, there is proverb here.
Dont get too upset over BrotherD.Thomas. He is an atheist pretending to be Christian to attack Christians and muslims.