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#4380
Uganda's anti-gay laws are drastic but necessary
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Barney
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Description
Uganda recently passed an anti gay bill. It's is definitely drastic but I do believe it is necessary.
Round 1
Forfeited
Necessary requires a goal to be achieved.
- No goal has been stated, and
- Any potential goal would be better achieved via other means, making said laws wholly unnecessary.
Round 2
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The laws in question target anyone who identifies as anything other than heterosexual. This includes throwing asexuals in prison for life, for the crime of simply not having sex.
To recap, sex in the wrong position, or at any time not being in the mood for sex, equals the government punishing you. It’s self evident that these laws could have only been dreamed up by someone deeply deranged.
To recap, sex in the wrong position, or at any time not being in the mood for sex, equals the government punishing you. It’s self evident that these laws could have only been dreamed up by someone deeply deranged.
Round 3
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A couple people in the comments section mentioned AIDS. Unfortunately these laws have nothing to do with any desire to decrease the spread of that virus, rather they’re based on the sadistic joy of oppression and the lawmakers in question attempting to obey the will of their imaginary friends (they have literally cited this many times).
If the desire was to decrease the spread of AIDs, lesbians and asexuals would certainly not be targeted (these laws punish anyone who identifies as LGBTQ, regardless of if they’ve ever had sex) instead they’d commit to sex education and availability of condoms. And by sex education I do not mean abstinence only, as conservative politicians in the USA have tried that many times and it has been proven to result in more underaged girls pregnant and more underaged people of both sexes contracting STDs (the logical conclusion is that said politicians are a type of pedophile).
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What will banning do? After/before they forfeit all rounds there is a high chance, in experience, they won't log back on. At least this goes for new users.
If it's an active debater they might have a reason, might've just been out for a few days.
Also take into account it may be a two hour argument time limit and they may have forgot or it didn't squeeze into their schedule as planned.
I don’t know who I should tag in this, but anyone who forfeits all rounds of a debate should face a minimum week long ban from everything on the site.
"Sadly the reading I've done on it doesn't indicate any connection between these laws and trying to combat Aids"
Neither of us speak the language. All these articles are in English, and the predominantly liberal media has an agenda. Even if you disagree that the media is predominantly liberal, I think you have to admit that the media organizations that chose to pick up this story were more likely liberally than not.
That means their audience is more likely liberal and a headline like "Uganda bans gays" is going to get more clicks (how online sites make money) than an article titled
"Ugandans desperate to solve aids rates of 10% that are steadily climbing are faced with tough decisions to balance public health and liberal values"
"rather to 'protect traditional values' and hallucinations of God demanding it."
Uganda's citizens have an average IQ of 84. Not kidding look it up. The people in government are not going to make public appeals quoting statistics to these people. They aren't going to get into academic talk about what types of activities are most likely to spread aids and talks of aids prevention.
When making appeals to people who are superstitious and with such low IQs, your best bet isn't to bring up intricate reasons for policy proposals. Your best bet is to use the exact rhetoric you mention
That's why I didn't say they're put to death for being LGBTQ, as the death penalty is for aggravated gay sex.
Sadly the reading I've done on it doesn't indicate any connection between these laws and trying to combat Aids, but rather to 'protect traditional values' and hallucinations of God demanding it.
"The laws in question target anyone who identifies as anything other than heterosexual. "
Seeing as how those laws specifically exist because of the sheer amount of Aids in uganda, I think you know the law does not target asexuals. I am not going to say I don't lie in debates but you already won lol.
I stand with Uganda. The goal is to protect their children and prevent the spread of rampant AIDS. The western countries trying to bully them into submission is just pathetic.
Your argument is due.
Well that's unfortunate
Your argument is due early tomorrow.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/21/africa/uganda-lgbtq-law-passes-intl/index.html
I only mentiond the aggravated homosexuality which can get you life in prison. Regular homosexuality is punishable by up to 7 years
Due to what they are they can hardly be called "anti-gay laws". That is in of itself sufficient to disprove Pro position.
So I just read the bill has what's called "aggravated homosexuality" which is a worse offense than homosexuality.
Homosexuality is exactly what you think it is. Two men having sex with each other or drinking bud light. Aggravated homosexuality which is what the American media was kvetching about which results in life imprisonment is where a gay person molests a child, or where somebody is intentionally spreading aids. They are literally kvetching that the punishment for child molestation and intentionally spreading aids is to stiff.
I should have known that since "they" are behind repealing laws about the intentional spreading of aids in California.
Can you write out all the laws in the description of the debate. Most of us just have access to English language sources who tend to exaggerate and sensationalize any laws the perceive as not woke.
For example CNN has stated some anti LGBT laws in Uganda can result in the death penalty, but knowing CNN that could be something like raping a child would lead to death .
So basically I can know how a bunch of woke retards interpret the laws but I can't know the laws unless you put them in the description.