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Socialism VS Capitalism (blamonkey)
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After 4 votes and with 22 points ahead, the winner is...
blamonkey
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Round 1
Forfeited
Thanks for the debate! Let us make this a good one. I will post my case here, and if my opponent has a problem with the round structure since he missed his first round, I encourage him to PM me.
I offer the following observations, framework etc.
Definitions
The Intercollegiate Review best sums up the term
“capitalism”:
“…capitalism is only the private ownership of the means of
production (1).”
The Balance offers the definition of the word “socialism”
“Socialism is an economic system where everyone in the
society equally owns the factors of production.”
Observation 1
Most societies have a mix of both economic systems. Even the
US, what many consider to be the epitome of capitalism, has aspects of
socialism. The government of the US operates public transportation, schools,
prisons, and national parks. These examples could technically be considered the
US owning land, capital assets, and natural resources, which happen to be factors
of production (3). There are no modern examples of a completely socialist
society, or a capitalist one. Ergo, we need to be discussing not only the
societies that primarily subscribe to an economic system, but we also need to discuss
how the economic system plays a role in creating harms/benefits to link to the
resolution.
For example, if I were to bring up the failures of
Venezuela, I would need to show that the reason for this is partly or wholly
because of socialism.
Observation 2
It is neither the burden of the pro or con side to show that
a society should subscribe to capitalism or socialism completely. To claim that
an economic system works 100% of the time is ludicrous, as demonstrated by the
fact that there exists no known government that is completely socialist or
capitalist in the modern day. Instead, each side ought to show that on average,
their economic system is superior most of the time.
C1: Competition
Lowers Prices
When private entities, such as corporations, hold the
factors of production and are in direct competition with other companies, both
are forced to lower prices. This is empirically demonstrated by research from
the Inter-American Development Bank in 2014. They measured the impact of
bringing 70 new stores into multiple markets in the Dominican Republic. Six
months after implementation, prices decreased by 6% while product quality was
not affected (4). This allowed more of the poor within the Dominican Republic
to afford necessities such as food, medicine, and water. In the US, we see
examples of innovation lowering prices all the time. Fracking is one of these innovations
which revolutionized the way that the US gets oil. Oilprice recounts the story
as to how the expensive process of using high-pressure water to shatter the
shale rock beneath the earth to extract oil and natural gas became a mainstream
success after years of innovation. It wasn’t until George P. Mitchell combined
horizontal drilling with hydraulic fracturing that the word “fracking” was
introduced into the lexicons of millions and that its commercial use started
(12). Despite environmental concerns, fracking is ultimately a success for
consumers as they pay less for their energy bill because of how much energy
fracking produces at such a limited cost. The Brookings Institute demonstrates
this, showing that consumers saved $13 billion in gas bills due to an increase
in fracking, and all types of energy consumes saved over $70 billion dollars
due to a decrease in prices from the years 2007-2014 (13). This helps the poor
who are more likely to spend their hard-earned money on energy expenses i.e. heating their homes. Online newspaper
CityLab illustrates the divide between the rich and the poor, showing that the
bottom 20% of income earners in the US pay roughly 10% of their income on
energy, which is nearly 7 times the amount that the top quintile of earners
make (14). The poor should not have to decide between heating their homes or
going to the doctors. Thankfully, innovation in the free market alleviates some
of the issues faced by poor Americans every day. The reason that competition is
stifled in socialism is simple:
The means of production are not in the hand of companies,
they are in the hands of the people, or more likely, the government. The
government chooses to invest in whatever companies they want, regardless of
product quality. The Institute for Energy Research illustrates the danger of
allowing the government, and not the free market, decide what is a good
company, and which one will fail. Companies like Solyndra and First Solar
received millions of dollars, only to go bankrupt and lay off over 2,000 people.
Other solar-power generators, such as the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating
System in California, produced 25-40% of original expected energy generation (15).
This is not to suggest that clean energy programs are necessarily bad but
interfering with the free market to deliver an inferior product is a bad idea. I
am going to reiterate this later, but let me be clear:
The government is a bad investor, and politicians are not
economists.
The free market is instrumental in lowering prices, but government
interference props up bad companies and eschews competition in favor of faulty
investments.
C2: Socialist
Governments are Inefficient
Socialism requires the community to own the means of
production, arising to more monopolies that hamper competition. The “community”
is usually either a democratically elected government, or a dictator. The
effect is usually nationalized industries. Russia is a good example as to why
this is a bad thing. Russia heavily subsidizes their nationalized oil
companies. These companies are a large component of Russia’s economy, and
contributes to half of Russia’s federal budget according to the Energy
Information Agency in 2012 (5). It is not hard to imagine what occurs when oil
prices dropped in 2014. The World Economic Forum explains that because global
demand for oil fell, and the US started producing more oil, the price of oil
faced drastic decreases, leading to economic peril at home (6). Frequent bank
runs occurred, forcing the Central Bank of Russia to nationalize 2 major banks
in under one month (7). Moreover, The Guardian reported that 13.4% of Russia
was in poverty as of 2016 (8). The reason for this can be explained by the
Russian ruble depreciating in value. Investors sold off Russian assets, and Foreign
Direct Investment (FDI) decreased by 40% in 2014 alone (9). Without the
investment, companies faltered, causing lay-offs.
Another country relying on oil exports, Venezuela, also
suffered as well. The Council of Foreign Relations notes that the nationalized
oil industry within Venezuela could not bring in expected revenue, contracting
the budget. Moreover, the collapse of Venezuela’s currency, the bolivar, has
led to hyperinflation. Professor Steve Hanke of John Hopkins University
estimated Venezuela’s inflation to be at about 40,000%, causing a humanitarian
crisis from within (10). 87% of Venezuelan citizens are impoverished due to the
ensuing fiscal chaos (11).
While corruption plays a role in both Russia’s and
Venezuela’s crises, socialism is a major factor. In socialism, the society owns
the means of production, which is usually the government. While the private
industry is driven by profit margins and innovation to reduce prices and beat
their competition, the government does not have that incentive. Government
officials are not economists and are prone to making mistakes that ruin their
economies. It should be no surprise that the lack of incentive or “profit
motive” means that encroached corruption becomes worse. After all, if there is
no drive to save money or make a functional product for a consumer, then
government officials are more likely to waste money and perhaps use some for personal
enrichment. It should also be no surprise that the lack of diversification in
these countries’ investments occurred. Also, realize that nationalized
industries are vulnerable to competition due to their lack of innovation. One
of the primary reasons behind the economic crisis was the invention of fracking
by the US, which allowed for cheap production of a lot of energy which lowered
the cost of energy to the American consumer and caused Russia and Venezuela to
lose a buyer of their oil.
However, if the factors of production are left in the hands
of companies, they work to create a product that consumers want at a more
affordable price. Innovation occurs more frequently, and the people can afford basic
goods.
Sources
Round 2
Forfeited
Extend. Since I have so much space to post, I might as well post some random stuff here. If you want to make a new debate, just challenge me again Type1.
My Playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o6Ga3Nad3s Muse - Plug In Baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg&list=PLX_x9w1pLQ_xnabsz_xmOEFqTIVN74m0X Nirvana... just as a band. (Lithium, Come As You Are, Spank Thru, and Dumb are all great songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crOZk88eCcg Foo Fighters - Everlong
Also, just some random game soundtracks. (Persona 5 and Earthbound have great soundtracks.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aeETEoNfOg Smashing Pumpkins - 1979
...
Oh, and vote for me.
Round 3
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I must say the toucan was the height of this "rigorous" debate. XD
To Truth!
-logicae
Thanks for the votes.
Blamonkey gets a free win
Do you think you will be ready to post within the allowed time?
Okay whenever you're ready.
I just looked at my schedule. I don't know if I have time yet, but I will try to accept.