Instigator / Pro
3
1484
rating
3
debates
16.67%
won
Topic
#3935
The education system sucks
Status
Finished
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After 2 votes and with 10 points ahead, the winner is...
YouFound_Lxam
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- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 2
- Time for argument
- Two days
- Max argument characters
- 2,000
- Voting period
- One month
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
Contender / Con
13
1472
rating
32
debates
48.44%
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Description
The education system in the U.S is failing us and does not teach kids for the future but rather to be a obedient puppet that works and listen and does nothing else
Round 1
1. school does not teach you about life and does not matter in the long term. My evidence is that other personnel experiences. 1a. Many people that i know and don´t know said that getting A´s in classes was easy and they really studied or did anything of that sorts which not only did not show them that studying is not important but that they did not learn how to study. They did so good in grades wise but did not know how to apply it to life they also didn't remember after the test which was a completely and utterly use of time if they can´t apply it to their life but do not remember it. so how did they end up doing in college Not good they first did not know how to study so now when they actually had to it was hard to and they now didn't have to completely rely on memory. 2a. if you completely rely on memory it will be hard to apply the material in your everyday life. This would make it hard to get jobs which is most of Americans main source of income.
2. School does not teach you have to be creative and use your mind but rather use memory. In a time where you need creativity and be innovative.
We are thought to just listen and be obedient which was meant for a factory worker. You are not meant or taught to be creative and make new ideas in school instead your are meant to do Homework, assignments, projects exactly how the teacher intended you can´t do other ideas or ¨your doing it wrong¨ supposedly when instead we should be giving a broad topic and be able to expanded on that . You are shunned from being creative and are meant to be obedient.
We are thought to just listen and be obedient which was meant for a factory worker. You are not meant or taught to be creative and make new ideas in school instead your are meant to do Homework, assignments, projects exactly how the teacher intended you can´t do other ideas or ¨your doing it wrong¨ supposedly when instead we should be giving a broad topic and be able to expanded on that . You are shunned from being creative and are meant to be obedient.
3. common core (math). Common core was meant to revolutionize how math was taught to give the U.S a advantage but instead backfired since if you grade every student on all the same curriculum you will not calculate smartness because you are not allowing a student to learn at their own pace so they will never learn anything new.
I asked for definitions on said subject, but since Pro has failed to do so, I will be going off of my own definitions.
1. School
Merriam Webster defines school as:
"an organization that provides instruction: such as
a
: an institution for the teaching of children
b
c(1)
: a group of scholars and teachers pursuing knowledge together that with similar groups constituted a medieval university
(2)
: one of the four faculties of a medieval university
(3)
: an institution for specialized higher education often associated with a university"
2. Mathematics
Merriam Webster defines mathematics as:
"the science of numbers and their operations (see OPERATION sense 5), interrelations, combinations, generalizations, and abstractions and of space (see SPACE entry 1 sense 7) configurations and their structure, measurement, transformations, and generalizations"
1. school does not teach you about life and does not matter in the long term.
This is Pro's first claim, therefore if I prove that school teaches any aspect of life or I prove that school helps people in the long term, then Pro's first argument is False.
- A good head start for learning
- A great chance to develop social skills.
- Exposure to enhance communication skills.
- Putting students on a path of lifelong learning
. School does not teach you have to be creative and use your mind but rather use memory. In a time where you need creativity and be innovative.
Again, if I prove school teaches you to be creative in any way, then Pros, argument is wrong.
Creative.
I have no more room for this argument. I will continue after Pro's response.
Round 2
I have said the education system is not necessarily school I did not say that school entirely is bad but a majority of it you don ´ t learn much. Most of the article's points were about socializing when many of my points were about creativity and memory. Yeah there are some good parts about school but those negatives outweigh the benefits by a lot. Teachers have the most important job as they are building our future but it's hard to when your wage as a teacher sucks. They get underpaid and yet we put one of the most important jobs with them. And many of your creativity points don ´ t necessarily talk about school a lot and these are like the top of the top examples look at the average schools and they are mainly identical.
Yet after all those points you made you never once talked about common core. What happened there in your next argument I would love to see you talk about common core
Yet after all those points you made you never once talked about common core. What happened there in your next argument I would love to see you talk about common core
First of all, Pro I would like to point out, that my first argument would have been longer if not for the word limit on this debate, so maybe next time fix that.
Pro has not provided much of a counter argument; they have only stated what has been said.
Most of the article's points were about socializing when many of my points were about creativity and memory.
Let's define creativity and memory:
Creativity
Merriam Webster defines creativity as:
"the ability to create
her artistic creativity
2
: the quality of being creative"
Memory
Merriam Webster defines memory as:
" the power or process of reproducing or recalling what has been learned and retained especially through associative mechanisms
began to lose his memory as he grew older
b
: the store of things learned and retained from an organism's activity or experience as evidenced by modification of structure or behavior or by recall and recognition
has a good memory for faces"
My points:
- A good head start for learning
- A great chance to develop social skills.
- Exposure to enhance communication skills.
- Putting students on a path of lifelong learning
Learning social skills, and communication skills, helps with creativity and memory.
I have said the education system is not necessarily school
Same thing. The U.S. education system is school.
School is just another name for it.
And look Pro, I would love to elaborate more, but I can't because of your choice of settings for this debate. If you want to start a new debate, and make the settings more tolerable, then I would happily accept.
I do have more arguments, but not enough space to write them in.
Thank you.
someone want to vote?
"rather to be a obedient puppet that works and listen"
Except this is the future many people needs. Unless you argue for that unemployment is somehow superior to having a job in the factory.
Pro, please add more definitions.
lol
Sure it sucks something, namely the dust. I mean, what is a school without an employed janitor?
Please provide definitions, so I can further understand what you mean by, "the education system sucks"
Thank you.