Instigator / Pro
41
1529
rating
1
debates
100.0%
won
Topic
#3889

Wage gap is not real

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
9
15
Better sources
16
16
Better legibility
8
8
Better conduct
8
0

After 8 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

Cosmic
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
39
1890
rating
98
debates
93.37%
won
Description

The wage gap, stating in a feminist movement that women get paid less then men, I am trying to debunk.

Round 1
Pro
#1
You might find this hard to believe. After all, the idea of women making about $0.78 for every dollar earned by men has been drilled into us throughout our lives. You may dismiss it as an undeniable truth that no one in their right minds would ever question. 

But question it, we should. Let's start right at the beginning and examine the problem with how it's calculated.
You may think that the gender pay gap is determined through a complex set of equations which considers the following: 

  • The occupation one holds,
  • Their rank in their organization,
  • How long they've worked there,
  • The education level they had to attain to do the job,
  • How many hours they work in the average week
Truly though, it is simply calculated on a basis of averages. What is the average income of men, then women. They do not take into account how many women are working, or if they take time off.

For example, are women taking gender majors in college or engineering? You must also take into account that men take jobs such as coal mining, where women are either unwilling to preform or lack the physical abilities.

You must also ask, did they have children? and if so, when the children went to school, did she still work full time or leave the job to be more flexible?
I await your response.


Con
#2
Forfeited
Round 2
Pro
#3
Forfeit, really?

Con
#4
Apologies for forfeiting. 

Framework 
  • With the burden here on pro, he seemingly fails to present
  • Pro defines the wage gap in the description as a statement that "women get paid less than men." Now there could be various reasons for the statistical disparity, but pro seems to admit throughout the debate that women do lay at the end of it, conceding the debate. 

Truly though, it is simply calculated on a basis of averages. What is the average income of men, then women. They do not take into account how many women are working, or if they take time off.
  • So here pro concedes the resolution by showing that women do get paid less than men on average. As con, I simply remain agnostic as to the reasons for this because pro has affirmed rather than "debunked," that women get paid less than men. 

Epistemology
  • Pro provides no sources for any of his claims. Having the full burden of proof, thus, his lack of evidence defaults the argument to con. Postulating random and sporadic factors and unsubstantiated theories does not justify the claim either. With pro having conceded that the wage gap is real, the debate draws to a clear-cut close. 

Conclusions
  • Pro has the burden of proof here and cited no evidence for any of his claims. This indicates no reason to believe them. 
  • Pro's argument goes along the lines of "women get paid less than men because of x,y, and z un-evidenced theories." This however already admits that women get paid less than men which is what he defined as a wage gap: "stating in a feminist movement that women get paid less then men." Thus, pro  concedes the debate proposition by admitting the wage gap is real, and the debate otherwise goes to con for his lack of evidence.