Instigator / Pro
7
1466
rating
6
debates
8.33%
won
Topic
#3766

Birth : the biggest act of cruelty today

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
12
Better sources
4
8
Better legibility
2
4
Better conduct
1
4

After 4 votes and with 21 points ahead, the winner is...

Novice_II
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
28
1890
rating
98
debates
93.37%
won
Description

It is originating from the violent animal within each of us every kid that is born is born to consume and where will the consumed stuff come from it can come only if you clear away the jungles [Music] so everything about us is dependent on the world and that is the state of violence

You can have vegan people who have like two kids three kids and they'll proudly say we are vegan what kind of compassion or non-violence is this ahinsa is core spirituality and therefore authentic veganism uh being born with some impurities that need to be corrected lots of only impurities are born could another way of looking at this be that a baby when they're born they're still not corrupted by the
Impurities of the present world they may have some from their pastry and can't be brought impurities in the present world did they rain from the skies you'd say the elders but the elders were babies one day where did they get the impurities from first of all spirituality is about realizing that all nonsense emanates from the dna you are born with nonsense that body

Identification is the fundamental problem and the root cause of all violence it's the body that is violent because it is the body that is coming from the jungle we share this body with the chimpanzees with the dinosaurs with the lions tigers every single animal in the jungle is this body and therefore all the problems of the jungle are contained in this body

It's just that jungle does not have the weaponry the ammunition to execute all the nonsense that arises as some kind of impulse from this body so they only have impulses but they cannot execute those impulses when we have impulses we have missiles to execute them because we have intellect animals only have animalistic prakrati but they don't have missiles and guns

And computers we are animals with missiles and guns and computers so we are far more dangerous isn't that a guilt-ridden way to think of like that's a factual way if that gives us guilt fine to me that gives us responsibility and to me that gives us a glimmer of hope i might be born an animal but the potential to die free of the animal is possible in

Some sense then veganism is about gaining freedom from the animal it's not about protecting the animal when you say you are dependent on animal products what are you doing you are dependent on somebody so veganism is about gaining freedom from the animal the outer animal and the inner animal presently because we are dependent on the inner animal so we are dependent on the

Outer animal as well when you are truly spiritual then you are not dependent on the outer or the inner animal you are free of both and you can't be free of just one of them when there will be freedom freedom will have both the sides hmm so how do you um i

Personally believe in the anti-natalist philosophy and i do not intend to procreate myself although i would consider perhaps adopting children at some point but um how do you what kind of a world do you see with majority of people being antenatals and then do you see the human civilization coming to an end at some point in the future

How what what i'll say if not considered rightly will appear either while or hilarious there is no great virtue in the human civilization continuing first thing if the child is born suffering why do you want to bring more child to the world to make them suffer what is the point in

Ensuring that the cycle continues what is the what is the great need or the great virtue and what is the great catastrophe if you tall you know second thing not everybody is born to be self-realized right the average kind of people will always outnumber the ones who understand so the human race will continue don't worry

Round 1
Pro
#1
already described 
Con
#2
  • I don't see an argument from pro, and he has the full burden of proof. It is interesting because he says he has "already explained this," despite being in the first round. 

Round 2
Pro
#3
Forfeited
Con
#4
  • Extend. 

Round 3
Pro
#5
Forfeited
Con
#6
Forfeited
Round 4
Pro
#7
Forfeited
Con
#8
  • Yeah, I am just not seeing the argument from pro that birth is the biggest act of cruelty today. Pro is not allowed to just point to the description, and even that is just incoherent ramble. I would argue that causing the greatest amount of pain humanly possible would  be the biggest act of cruelty, so, deliberate physical torture. 

Round 5
Pro
#9
Forfeited
Con
#10
Forfeited