Instigator / Con
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1420
rating
398
debates
44.1%
won
Topic
#3733
You pick the topic, I'll do my best with it.
Status
Finished
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After not so many votes...
It's a tie!
Parameters
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 3
- Time for argument
- Two days
- Max argument characters
- 20,000
- Voting period
- One month
- Point system
- Winner selection
- Voting system
- Open
Contender / Pro
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1890
rating
98
debates
93.37%
won
Description
Disclaimer : Regardless of the setup for voting win or lose, The aim of this interaction, Is for those that view it, Learn and or take away anything that will amount to any constructive value ultimately. So that counts as anything that'll cause one to reconsider an idea, Understand a subject better, Help build a greater wealth of knowledge getting closer to truth. When either of us has accomplished that with any individual here, That's who the victor of the debate becomes.
Here's a chance for you to design the platform based on your topic selection.
We'll obviously have opposing sides.
Whatever topic you choose of course, it'll fit whichever side it falls on for you in tandem with the position preset .
Questions and concerns, leave a comment or send a message.
Round 1
You're up.
Whatever topic you choose of course, it'll fit whichever side it falls on for you in tandem with the position preset .
- Obviously, for the topic I choose, I will be pro and Mall, con.
- All the resolution entails is that I choose a topic alone. Consequently, once I have done so, I have won the debate.
- The topic I choose is: "THBT: Rape should be illegal in the United States"
- Definitions: Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without that person's consent.
Round 2
I'll give you the honors of going first.
- Rape should be illegal because it entails the use of force against individuals who did not consent, or voice their agreement to have force used against them. This is instrumental to building a functioning civil society, in which people observe fundamental human rights such as life, and liberty. There is no logical difference between the legalization of rape in which people do not consent, and the legalization of murder, in which no one gives consent to have their life robbed from them.
Round 3
Rape should not be illegal in the United States.
Now nobody has gone over what " should" means in this debate so I'll be the first to do the honors and I thank you kindly for your hospitality.
Following that which is the cause or purpose connects the two.
For example, my inhaling these fatal toxic fumes , I should be dead. The effect following the cause logical follows and necessitates.
Rape should be legal in the United States. Now the United States has a government called the United States government or affectionately "Uncle Sam", ok.
This government has democracy to vote in elected officials to orchestrate the legality process. This government has democracy which in turn via those elected parties or directly through petition, vote in on laws.
There's a whole legislature, congress to pass or veto laws.
Whatever laws that are passed by the United States government should in fact be legal.
That's just simply what it would mean.
Something shouldn't be illegal and that thing is legally passed. It doesn't compute. These are opposite.
The laws put in effect via congressional, legislative, political arenas, that process ,the cause should be legally in effect as that what it means to put them in effect.
A vote, a pass on a rape law should be legalized because it would of meant the government has passed it.
Some honorable mentions for alternative arguments or points but are more splitting hairs are below.
Should the act of rape be legal?
Yes, in our dreams or for a more appropriate term " nightmares ".
Should not be illegal, rape that is where it doesn't exist.
I could make a case for what's called a "rape " scene in film and how real it has to look to still within the law .
The dream scenario, somebody can make a case about consciousness and experience being all there is necessary to constitute the act but be within the law.
But for the most basic simpler route, I'll stick with this main point.
Any law passed, rape, abortion, slavery, murder by the capital humanely and tenderly known as capital punishment should be legal because something happened called the "passing of that law", that's all folks.
Any law passed, rape, abortion, slavery, murder by the capital humanely and tenderly known as capital punishment should be legal because something happened called the "passing of that law",
- Con's entire round one case is irrelevant. We are not debating whether or not the making of the law should be legal, we are debating whether or not the action of rape should be legal.
Something shouldn't be illegal and that thing is legally passed. It doesn't compute. These are opposite.
- You can legally pass law/policy that makes an action illegal.
- Con has made no argument against the resolution, nor has he countered my argument, so the decision is simple here.
Should the act of rape be legal? Yes, in our dreams or for a more appropriate term " nightmares ".
- The resolution is "THBT: Rape should be illegal in the United States"
Well, people keep reporting all the votes cast for me in this debate.
There are 30 minutes left as of now. I apologize for the sudden mention, this is just a last effort to get a vote for this to avoid a no-vote tie here.
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>Reported Vote: vici // Mod action: Removed
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>Points Awarded: 1 points to Pro
>Reason for Decision:
con doesn't get the case - he argues for legality but as novice said it should be about whether we SHOULD commit rape
>Reason for Mod Action:
The voter must assess specific arguments presented by both debaters when awarding points. In this case, the voter says that one side of the debate did not argue on topic, but does not assess the topicality or strength of the other side's argument. That is not sufficient.
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I need a vote for this debate, so hopefully one of you will see this within 10 hours.
Can you possibly re-cast this vote, but with additional analysis to satisfy the moderators?
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>Reported Vote: Undefeatable // Mod action: Removed
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>Points Awarded: 1 points to Pro
>Reason for Decision:
Con doesn’t really give any convincing arguments why rape the action should be legal. Instead, he talks about the law being passed concerning rape being legal, which side steps the topic. Commentary: To be fair, con did entrap himself with the debate set up. Pro though should really stop accepting malls debates…
>Reason for Mod Action:
The voter must assess specific arguments presented by both debaters when awarding points. In this case, the voter only covers a point made by Con and ignores Pro’s arguments while giving the latter the point without addressing BoP. That is not sufficient.
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>Reported Vote: Oromagi // Mod action: Removed
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>Points Awarded: 1 points to Con
>Reason for Decision:
YOU PICK the TOPIC. I SHALL do my BEST with IT.
This conversation doesn't really qualify as any kind of debate according to any objective debate standard. Essentially, every possible advantage is given to the contender for entirely shock (comedic) effect. This voter considers a debate under these terms non-moderated and essentially subjective. Basically, the instigator has ceded the stage and so it up to the contender to knock our socks of with full license. PRO chooses "THBT rape should be illegal in the United States" which is not only fails to knock the socks but is doubles down on the subjective nature of this discourse by choosing generic, totally non-controversial public policy. On comedic or subjective stylings, PRO scores a zero.
PRO seems to agree with this voter's thinking by arguing that the topic is irrelevant to victory in this debate.
" However, all the resolution entails is that to win, I must choose a topic alone. Consequently, all voters need to do is vote for pro based on the proposition of any topic at all."
This statement of thesis excludes the relevancy of topic and on this we agree but PRO badly misses there was a second condition to the instigation: " I (the instigator) shall do my best with it."
So it not true that PRO wins " based on the proposition of any topic at all," rather the winner is determined bywhether CON did "his best with it."
Given that CON has one round and no ground to argue with, I set the standard for best at an extremely low bar. CON's first argument is nearly unintelligible but something along the lines of "rape is already illegal everywhere, so there's no "should" about it"
CON's second argument that rape should be legal in fiction, fantasy, and the imagination is easier to understand and I point I strongly agree with.
So- did CON do his best? Regrettably, neither defines the standard for "best" giving this voter a third reason to treat this debate subjectively. To the extent that I was able to understand both of CON's arguments (which is itself far above CON's usual standard) and CON made more objective effort than PRO - 2886 characters vs 1906 characters, this voter is willing to view CON's effort as "his best" and by this standard, awards arguments to CON.
>Reason for Mod Action:
Contrary to the voter's view, voting on this debate is moderated, as it doesn't clearly fall into any camp of unmoderated votes - the subjective interpretation of "shock (comedic) effect" does not make this an a troll debate or render it too subjective to assess meaningfully. This vote is borderline, given that it does assess specific arguments given in the debate, but largely focuses his attention on a peculiar view of what is sufficient to win the debate by emphasizing something that neither debater considers. However, given that 1) the voter also posted largely copy-pasted versions of this same vote to two other debates, 2) two of those instances were posted just before the end of the voting period, precluding any attempt at moderation, and 3) all three votes focused on debates between these two debaters, specifically (even though not all votes favor the same debater), suggesting the possibility of grudge voting, the borderline nature of the vote renders it insufficient.
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There is grudge voting going on here, as it seems. I now am in need of two votes, one of which being geared towards counter balancing instantiated incompetence.
I would appreciate it if you could assist.
I think Novice's topic will backfire. With a challenge like this, there's sort of an honor amongst the challenger to make it a challenge that's actually somewhat tenable or fair. If you get too greedy, try to overstep and pick a ridiculous topic, there's some punishment for that.
Novice is the troll, not Mall.
Are you serious?