The biblical scriptures justify/support/permit marital divorce.
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I think I am just ignorant when it comes to this. I don't know any better when it comes to this. I'm taking this opportunity really to learn.
May not be disputable but just in case, can you back it up with bible, chapter and verse?
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Any debate along the lines of "does the Bible say x" or "does the Bible condone _____" are very tricky. First of all the Bible LOVES to contradict itself, especially between the New and Old Testament. In this case, both sides were able to find scriptures supporting their case, and the burden of proof was poorly defined. Here is my best interpretation.
The title of the debate introduces the question as to whether "the biblical scriptures justify/support/permit marital divorce." This is actually the extent to which the topic was defined, as no definitions or burden of proof were given in the debate description. Generally speaking burden of proof is on the one making a positive claim, which in this case would be Pro, as they are being expected to provide evidence in favor of marital divorce being permitted in the Bible.
Pro's arguments:
1. a verse laying out an exception for divorce under the circumstances of sexual immorality
2. a passage laying out an exception for abandonment by a non-believing spouse.
While neither of these are in the most straightforward phrasing, the first is unambiguous, with the clause "excepting sexual immorality" clearly marking a special case allowing for divorce. The second is more open to interpretation, but Pro was able to provide a source establishing that the grounds for divorce or "separation" is a common interpretation.
Con's Rebuttals
Con's rebuttal to the first appears to be either a misunderstanding of the sentence, or else ignoring the critical clause quoted above. Either way, this point was not refuted. The second rebuttal primarily pointed to the ambiguity surrounding the phrase "let it be so," which is a fair point, but no effort was made to offer an alternative interpretation, so while this point is rather weaker than the first, I still consider it unrefuted.
Conclusion: I consider Pro's arguments more than sufficient to prove that the Bible has at least one case in which it supports/justifies/permits divorce.
Non-argument points
While I am aware that points on winner/loser debates are dependent only on the quality of the arguments themselves, I would like to mention a few other critiques as a matter of giving things to improve on in the future.
Format: Especially to Con, try not to use the same markers to indicate quotations from earlier in the debate and outside quotes. Personally I like to use the markdown quote box for the former, as it can nest if necessary, and quotation marks for outside quotes. The main point though is to have a consistent distinction.
All of you are in support of lying on the scripture. This person stating what the scripture have not said.
Done.
I just realized my vote here and I have thought a pipeline leading me to think actually the other side would have won.
Please remove my vote here.
Didn't want to beef it out in my vote, so here it is instead, but I definitely disagree with the idea of the entire Bible being considered a "singular subject." There are way too many contradictions in it to seriously consider it such, the Bible consists of dozens of books by different authors over a period of centuries if not millennia, and in this specific case the passages relating to divorce were literally laying down law for Jews and later Christians. In this case the Bible was functioning as a living legislative document. To compare it to U.S. law, the 18th amendment is still written in the corpus of the Constitution, even though it was nullified by the 21st. You can't say that oh, the constitution says two different things about whether the sale of alcohol is illegal, therefore the stance of "the entirety" can't be proven.
Much appreciated.
This is a relatively small debate, and I hope you can vote on this if you have time because I have just a week left and I don't think the current vote is reasonable.
Well, no. I don't see how this even relates to our current larger predicament. We are debating the biblical scriptures, which allow divorce in many provisions (as demonstrated). Now I am currently looking towards your vote...I am not sure how it makes logical sense. The scriptures are a collection of canonical books and verses.
The "law" seems inconsequential here. What I am trying to get us to understand is that you said "pro's job is to show that the entirety of the Bible scriptures agree or permit divorce." If the Bible is cannonical the provisions I cite would apply to all aspects of scriptural derivation, and even if your interpretation was true, there is no sound conclusion that yields your vote.
“Law: this law makes so that you are under arrest unless you are mentally ill.”
Conclusion: this law is ineffective because when I “violate” it I can be not punished.
Umm do you see what you are doing here?
I suspect you my have some fundamental disconnect on the structure of the Bible. For one, "the biblical scriptures," are simply the scriptures of the Bible. The biblical scriptures are canonical (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon). Even of they were multiple independent entities they would all still permit divorce in the cases I listed because different passages entail new laws of the Bible (old laws can become fulfilled and perfected by new doctrines). I fear you may be exhibiting a precarious level of misunderstanding as expressed within he content of your own voting parameters.
"Bible scriptures" are multiple independent entities and removing the "the" as long as any quote favoring your position is brought up you win.
"The Bible scriptures" is to be seen as a whole, so it requires there to be NO quote against your position in order for your win to take place. That is exactly what the indefinite article does.
If you are not going to change or remove the vote I may as well be wasting time here, but I don't see how your decision makes sense frankly. If I claimed that the constitution allows for the restriction of free speech, it could be the case that there are areas in which it does not, but I simply need to show the areas in which it does. Interpretationally, if the Bible does allow divorce in cases, then it does permit divorce in such distinctions.
Remove the "the" and you would have yourself a victory. IDK about other voters, maybe you will eventually be voted the better effort out of the two but I am someone who pays way too much attention in grammar and definitions. In my opinion, you didn't win, and to be frank you can't win here. That does not prevent you from spending the better of the two efforts.
I don't think you understand the burdens here. Pro would have to show that the Bible permits divorce in many cases, right? All the resolution entails is that "the biblical scriptures justify/support/permit marital divorce. Secondly, I did not simply bring up bible quotes that stipulate my view, although manifested that way, these are provisions in which the bible allows divorce. The Bible doesn't really work in the way of 1 passage here, one passage there.