Abortion should be illegal

"the term "baby" = appeal to emotion""

>> Yes, it is an appeal to emotion. Baby, over historical record across various realistic disciplines, have recognized a "baby" as being a living post-womb "human being." Not in the womb.

"I thought that by this you meant that the fetus isn't a human or baby but killing a fetus is murder, ...."

>> I do NOT care what you think, feel or believe. The only thing that matters in the real world is what you can prove through objective fact based evidence.

"...murder is " the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. "

>> No kidding. But a pregnancy is not afforded the same rights as that of a born human being. That is THE distinction.

"...by definition abortion is murder and murder is morally unacceptable."

>> No, that is NOT how it works. Abortion is a medical procedure. Murder is a heinous crime that involves two already born human beings.

"And abortion is a way to avoid consequences for your reckless actions if you didn't want a baby you should've prevented it unless you were raped but if so then I'm not sure. I realized that this debate is stupid and there's no point for any of this at the end of the day there's still gonna be abortions, rape, and murder we can't stop it but we shouldn't embrace it, I forfeit this shit is pointless."

>> Blah Blah Blah. Grow up.

"the term "baby" = appeal to emotion" I thought that by this you meant that the fetus isn't a human or baby but killing a fetus is murder, murder is " the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. " by definition abortion is murder and murder is morally unacceptable. And abortion is a way to avoid consequences for your reckless actions if you didn't want a baby you should've prevented it unless you were raped but if so then I'm not sure. I realized that this debate is stupid and there's no point for any of this at the end of the day there's still gonna be abortions, rape, and murder we can't stop it but we shouldn't embrace it, I forfeit this shit is pointless.

Abortion meets one of the goals of Eugenics, reduction of the criminal element. And abortion has proven that theory to be proven true.

https://www.hli.org/resources/does-abortion-reduce-crime/

https://journalistsresource.org/economics/abortion-crime-research-donohue-levitt/

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1999-08-08-9908080388-story.html

https://thecrimereport.org/2019/06/12/legalizing-abortions-tied-to-crime-drop-of-1990s/

"So a fetus is not a human?"

>> Strawman. Never said that. Never claimed that.

"You are objectifying a fetus like it's not human..."

>> Nope. Prove it.

"... it's a living thing like you and me..."

>> Nope. Not on the same level. You're confusing cellular life with personhood.

The rest of your retort is ignorant blather.

So a fetus is not a human? You are objectifying a fetus like it's not human it's a living thing like you and me, just because it is incapable of doing the things me and you are capable of doing doesn't give women any more of a reason to abort them, it's still a living thing regardless of what anyone says

"For one, abortion is immoral and shouldn't be done and you could argue that once it was legal but now it's illegal you can't and shouldn't try to justify baby murder."

>> Uh, abortion is not illegal. All SCOTUS did was reverse R v W and returned the matter to each state to decide on their own. Some states are outlawing it, most are not. So, your blanket statement is patently fallacious.

Morality is purely subjective and unless you are personally going to take up the mantel of responsibility and accountability for each child born to a girl or woman that they did not want, could not afford...then you have absolutely no say in making her your personal incubator.

"...and shouldn't try to justify baby murder."

*facepalm*

>> First and foremost, abortion is a safe medical procedure. Murder is a crime. Abortion does NOT = Murder. Period. Fact. Period.

Secondly, 94% of ALL abortions take place BEFORE 14 weeks gestation, the majority of those are before 6 weeks gestation. NO "baby" involved. Period. Fact. Period. The use of the term "baby" = appeal to emotion, and it is an implicit misnomer.

Third, less than 1.2% of all abortions are after 22-24 weeks (point of viability) and are done for medical necessity only. Even then, it is still not "murder." Murder only applies to one human being (already born, obviously) taking the life of another human being (already born, obviously) without just cause and done so with malicious intent and premeditation.

Your position falls flat on its face. Fail.

good arguments lads.

Well, I would argue that abortion should NOT be illegal. It is a medical procedure, and a safe one at that. What it is not, is an illegal heinous criminal act.

You are con, meaning you will be arguing against the motion? e.g. you are gonna assert that abortion should NOT be illegal?
I oppose the motion, I would accept it if otherwise, though I am going through an unplanned busy schedule