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Topic
#3556
Islam is not a horrific religion
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Winner & statistics
After 1 vote and with 4 points ahead, the winner is...
rayhan16
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- 3
- Time for argument
- One day
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- Two weeks
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Description
Islam is not a horrific religion
Round 1
Welcome to another debate with me and my good friend Best.Korea. This debate I will try to be as nice as possible, not insulting my opponent and essentially being a bigger man. Even though he will try to get a reaction out of me, very well renowned to be an Islamophobe, a bigot and a hater, I will still try to keep my calm with the hope of him getting agitated. He will try and insult my religion, Islam. Be wary of this. Lets begin.
Definition of horrific
Lets get the definitions sorted. The definition of horrific from dictionary.cambridge.org is 'very bad and shocking'. So ultimately, the opposition would say it is an extreme religion that is portrayed as a terrible and horrible faith which oppresses every individual and brings no peace nor mercy. I will refute this.
Islam
Islam is the religion of peace. In no circumstances can Muslims oppress individuals who are innocent nor kill innocents. Nor even raping innocents. Now the problem is, why do many people think that Islam promotes these things? Yes there are quotes that refer to violence and warfare however I am not here to promote a pacifist religion, as it is not. Islam allows military action under certain contexts such as self defence. However many smaller groups such as ISIS take it out of that context. Islam teaches for Muslims not to go to war unless they have been attacked first. And even when the Muslim army retaliates, no innocent lives must be killed and the environment cannot be harmed. This is not horrific.
I do not think I have much more to say. Yes the burden of proof relies on me however I would like to hear the arguments of Con as well as expand on Islam a bit more. Currently writing this at 2.40am so you can't blame me.
Con thinks that Islam is a horrific religion when it clearly is the opposite. Islam teaches to be peaceful until the last resort which is when violence can come to play. Con thinks that all Muslims are terrorists. He thinks that me, sitting behind my keyboard promoting peace, as well as the other 1.8 billion Muslims of his fellow humanity are promoting a war like terrorist religion. Con has actually got one thing in common with terror groups such as ISIS etc. They both think Islam is a war like religion. However the rest of us do not.
Con will write some racist things here, so if you are sensitive to these things then please brush over them. I do not care, I am sure you voters do not care and I am really sure that Con does care. So instead of reaction, we want to do the opposite. We want to fight against racism of any sort and we can do this peacefully.
I appreciate your time to read my first argument, very short however just an introduction. The real points I want to make will be in round 2 and 3.
Thanks and over to you Con
The dirty way of life which you live is not the truth as it is utterly harmful thing just as you are an utterly horrible human being that deserves no mercy.
Round 2
BoP
I have the full burden of proof. Con's first argument does not include any rebuttle nor any rebukes so I think it is safe to say I have the advantage for now.
Here are some more reasons to why Islam is not a horrific religion
Women
In Islam, women are entitled to many rights which are listed below
-Women have the right to work
-Women have the right to vote
-Women have the right to refuse marriage proposals
-Women have the right to own property
-Women have the right to divorce
-Women have inheritance rights
-Women have the right to be exempt of all financial liabilities
-Women have the right to ask for a dowry before official marriage
-Women have the right to be protected
-Women have the right to education
There are many more rights which women have, these are only some. Over 100 years ago, in the UK, women such as the suffragettes were fighting for these rights, however Islam gave them many a moon ago.
I don't know about you voters, but I think this is pretty fair and is not 'horrific' in any way.
There is again not much for me to say as Con has not given much indication on any rebuttle and has just insulted my religion. I would have to cut it short again as I have nothing to respond to. I accept I do have the full burden of proof, however I have given the piece about women and the wars and no rebuttle has come my way.
I look forward to hearing Con's second argument
This is the great defender of islam? Assuming you are actually a muslim and not some 60 year old gay pretending to be underage muslim boy without any regard to human deceny. Saving yourself from me is not the option. Destroying you here is the consequence of opposition to the slave life of islam where taking pathetic pride in being slaves attacking those who oppose you every time you get some form of power in society becomes fully viable for you is noted, proving this historically. Naturally, you will want to defend yourself from my verbal attacks. Being inexperienced little boy is not good, but even if you had 1000 of years of experience falling low before me is inevitable for you just as falling for that ugly pig mohammad is inevitable for your stupid people in general due to being a weak little community of human worms.
Round 3
This is the great defender of islam? Assuming you are actually a muslim and not some 60 year old gay pretending to be underage muslim boy without any regard to human decency. Saving yourself from me is not the option. Destroying you here is the consequence of opposition to the slave life of islam where taking pathetic pride in being slaves attacking those who oppose you every time you get some form of power in society becomes fully viable for you is noted, proving this historically. Naturally, you will want to defend yourself from my verbal attacks. Being inexperienced little boy is not good, but even if you had 1000 of years of experience falling low before me is inevitable for you just as falling for that Mohammad is inevitable for your stupid people in general due to being a weak little community of human worms.
Con has described me a great defender of Islam. Appreciate it very much however I would not describe myself as great.
Con has described me as a 60 year old gay pretending to be underage. I am flattered for Con for making me a more mature and wise person however being gay is actually against my religion, the acting upon being gay that is. Be gay if you want but cannot act upon it. Same with be an alcoholic if you want however do not drink alcohol. It is part of the struggle in life. This life is temporary. The afterlife is eternal.
Con has described me as a slave life of Islam, I am a slave to Allah whereas he is a slave to the people, to society.
Con has described me as taking pride to taking slaves however pride is haram. And slavery is also haram, to innocents.
Con has described me as inexperienced, may be true however in this debate, it looks like I have got the most experience.
I do not think Con realises what this is ladies and gentlemen. I think Con thinks this is a playground of insults. This is a debate, Con. Go watch some on YouTube and come back and actually challenge me. No rebuttals have been made, no rebukes, only insults
I think I have fulfilled my BoP and I do not think Con has fulfilled his rebuttals.
Islam is a beautiful religion, not a horrific one. I gave examples to war and examples to women about why Islam is not a horrible religion. I really wanted to counter argue Cons points however as he never made any, I could not.
I really hope voters take this into consideration and Con, have a great day!
Thanks,
Rayhan
I told you I would crush you as my uncorrupted heart cannot fall victim to your ideas in which you promote universal misery that leads to collective demise.
Having shown great stupidity of islam in your writing to a level where I am starting to think you are nothing but pathetic slave to the disgusting way of life that you so desperately promote.
When opposing to you I am saving all those that would greatly suffer if you were left to yourself unchallenged.
Having thought that you could force us into submission to islam is the failure of your disgusting lying twisted logic that has no place in the minds of the people who live the pure way of life undefeated by your eagerness to spread the diseases which you brought from your sick twisted world.
Not knowing how to deal with me makes you excited as I have the answer for every pathetic little argument you make.
Being made clear that you are a corrupt deluded person it is obvious you dont know how you will suffer greatly once society decides that something should happen to you.
Being still naive so you dont know that people can crush you anytime like the insignificant little worm you are.
Having piled up so many repulsive things against yourself I am starting to think someone could solve you.
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Under normal circumstances, this type of vote would not meet the voting standards as the voter does not specifically evaluate arguments given by either debater, but awards arguments regardless. This, however, is not a normal debate. Con clearly does engage in an extended invective against Pro that is also more broadly targeted at his religion and those who follow it. While the topic does invite criticism of Islam, Con clearly pushes it beyond that. The voter is allowed to award conduct on that basis regardless, but given that the insults take up the entirety of Con's argument, a direct comparison of points made in the debate is unnecessary to justify arguments as well. The voter could explain this in more detail, but he does not have to do so.
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Yes and I agree with that thinking as well. Groups like ISIS and terror groups which are similar, want to take the out of context verses and say we need to kill and fight. This is not Islam. I commend you for not following this ideology.
Fine. I stand corrected. I misspoke. What I meant to say, or thought was as written in my last comment. That it [is] used to promote terrorism, not that in and of itself Islam promotes terrorism. Apologies for not being clear.
You clearly said this in your penultimate comment.
'There is nothing to debate in that new challenge, "Islam promotes terrorism" with you being pro for that statement...as I agree with it, Islam does promote terrorism. Declined again.'
'as I agree with it, Islam does promote terrorism'
Still not going to accept the challenge the way you are wording it. Nowhere did I say or infer Islam promotes terrorism. It doesn't and that isn't even the issue. The issue is the "extremists" that abuse Islam to suite their agenda, no differently than in any other religion. There will always be groups that pervert a religion in order to justify their violence in the name of their personified God. But that doesn't change the fact that terrorism does happen in predominately Muslim States.
https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/s3fs-public/publication/171017_Report_Islam%20and%20the%20-War_on_Terrorism_.pdf
Until you can properly present a well-worded title with a cogent description on a topic you believe I would disagree with you on, I am declining your latest challenge as there is nothing to debate. I agree. Islam doesn't "promote" terrorism, but it is used to effectuate it.
Description? Need a description. A title/topic isn't enough. Amend it. Please. And I will think about it.
Oh sorry I worded it wrong, silly me
There is nothing to debate in that new challenge, "Islam promotes terrorism" with you being pro for that statement...as I agree with it, Islam does promote terrorism. Declined again.
Lemme challenge again
The description of the challenge you presented was illegible. Declined.
Guess that was all from you. Trying with more effort next time could do you a significant beneficial improvement as right now you seem to be demonstrating cheerleader type of behavior which is cute if you want to be a muslim cheerleader girl not being sure where that would get you. Aiming higher is much better. Always placing goals according to priority makes your thinking more efficient like placing my goal to simply defend myself from muslim word has made me efficient in that. Being thankful for having recieved it from the creator I know my life without the proper word of the creator would be nothing but painful subjugation.
Ok that was a bit funny. Anything else?
I love your speech, so elegant, like a giraffe. I love your tone, so precious, like a pearl.
I want you to be vocal, let it all out and I love it.
Be who you want to be
#proud
#emotionalday
#mysonisallgrownup
If you want for me not to talk to you, you can say so.
#proudtobeamuslim
#lovedbyhumanity
#islamisthetruth
#gobacktokorea
What? You only debate about islam?
#hooked
Being confused by my comment means you should read it again to try to understand it as you dont seem to be fit for such an achievement shown by your repetition of the presentation of aims already explained previously unless its just your way of the word that has nothing to do with me. Successfully defending myself from muslim invasion is the cause for me to celebrate as we live under difficult circumstances of the islamic radicalization. Challenging me to a debate again with exactly the same topic as you just did is just boring as you didnt seem to thrive in this one either. Declining your debate because of repetition is what I have done. If you seek another debate with me, challenge me to a debate about pedophilia as I feel willing to debate that next. Boring debates about islam created by you have reached their limit for today.
I think you have a misconception of me. Let me spell it out.
I a m b e t t e r t h a n y o u i n d e b a t e s
i a m a l s o b e t t e r t h a n y o u i n k n o w l e d g e
y o u w i l l f i n d o u t o n t h e d ay o f j u d g e m e n t
The gain of votes which you seek is not something that I desire to prevent. Having all the votes in the world wouldnt make you more or less worthy in my eyes. Explanations on how a debate works would only interest me if I was interested in "winning debates" like you. Explaining to me for a million times how a debate works maybe serves some of your deranged goals, but certainly cannot make me follow your rules of it. Defending my mentality is the purpose of me being here along with spreading my word. Explaining this for the purpose of making my goals clear as it seems that you were confused by that.
I could not care less about what you have come here to do. The main aim for me is to win as much debates as I can and you have played into my hands like a fiddle. These racist, Islamophobic words do not even touch me, scar me or even frighten men. I could not care less. All I care about is getting credibility and winning debates. Now you have helped me win 2 debates, so I can say you are an advocate of me winning debates. To this I say thank you and I may challenge you to another debate so I can win that one too!
Spreading of the filthy islamic way of life thinking your ideas can penetrate the strong defensive layers of my mentality is what proves you are incapable to understand how your words being the disease to the mentality must be countered with my defensive words. Assuming I have come here to debate you is also your mistake, as me being here is to spread my words given to me by the creator.
"due to being a weak little community of human worms."
I like your reference to Worm Man.
Yet I have not promoted anything, I have just explained why Islam is not a horrific religion.
This is a debating site. I do not think you know how it works. There is language such as rebuttle and BoP etc which I do not think you know what it means.
Losing is not what I feel when reading what I have written, but pride as I have defended my mind from the islamic ideas having realised my goal which is unable for you to understand.
Yet you are losing. So when you say we, its only you, it will only ever be you, and it only has ever been you
I am glad I have said what I did. Needing to be clear, I did exactly what I should have done to defend myself against islam.
You too, please feel free to vote
Feel free to leave a vote on this one, don't need to read much.
Btw, Best.Korea, these are not my friends which I hang around with day and night and they should give their own unbiased opinion
Have fun lads
I'm not playing any game mate. Very late where I am so I could quickly accept and go to sleep and see your argument in the morning. Nevertheless, I will make the debate.
The quotes were in direct contradiction to your proffered position. The stated argued position at hand.
I contradicted it. It is to you to retort and defend your claim(s). Ball is in your court. Do not project your inability to defend your argument upon me. I will not play that game.
I will answer every single one of these quotes if you make a debate want to address it all. Make it and inform me
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx?ref=patrick.net
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot. (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah'). (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers. (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (Satan, etc.). So fight you against the friends of Shaitan (Satan)" The Arabic for the word "fight" is from qital, meaning physical combat.
Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle). (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (4:101) - "And when you (Muslims) travel in the land, there is no sin on you if you shorten your Salat (prayer) if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you, verily, the disbelievers are ever unto you open enemies." Mere disbelief makes one an "open" enemy of Muslims.
Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense? (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" (See also: Response to Apologists)
There are plenty more
I only said it in that manner because people like my opponent do not get it. Its normal to not rape someone. Nothing special but it needs to be worded like that to make the opposition plus the voters understand that Islam does not condone it
"Islam is the religion of peace. In no circumstances can Muslims oppress individuals who are innocent nor kill innocents. Nor even raping innocents."
You said this like its surprising that Islam says we shouldn't rape people lol
Give me some quotes that go for what you said
Make a debate
Those two things I am expecting
Losing argument. The Quran is replete with abhorrent violence, hypocrisy, and totalitarianism. You lost before you began.
I didnt really want to do this, but it seems that you deserved it. You see, one day when I was alone the creator gave me the words. They were powerful words that could be combined to make millions of powerful sentences to defeat my enemies. I have written them all into the notebook but I havent used them so far. Since you were so arrogant towards me and insulted my way of life, I will use full power of the words I was given to defeat you completely.
Oh okay then I will just have to destroy you tomorrow.
Hmmm.
I do not think I will. Maybe you will get a response tomorrow if I feel like it
Hurry up you baby circumcising freak
I am taking my sweet time
Post your arguments so that I can destroy you quickly.
I would love to see this. I also will copy your message when you lose and send it to you just to make you know that you were actually trying
Another debate? This time I will not spare you. I will use my powers to defeat you. This time you will experience the great power of creator much more powerful than your pig Allah.
And he fell into the trap again, sweet!