Instigator / Pro
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1485
rating
2
debates
25.0%
won
Topic
#3553
The death penalty should be legal.
Status
Finished
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After not so many votes...
It's a tie!
Parameters
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 3
- Time for argument
- Two days
- Max argument characters
- 30,000
- Voting period
- One week
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
Contender / Con
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1516
rating
2
debates
75.0%
won
Description
Death: a permanent cesation of all vital functions.
Penalty: a punishment.
Should: necessary or desirable.
Legal: of relating to law.
Round 1
1. Cost: Keeping criminals alive costs the state thousands of dollars.
2. Justice: someone who has taken a life deserves to pay with something equivalent, since life is the most valuable of all, someone who has taken a life must pay with their own life.
3. Security: escaping from prison is possible, and those who have been victims of kidnapping or rape will have that fear for the rest of their days, the most effective solution to this is to end the life of the perpetrator.
sources:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://lao.ca.gov/handouts/crimjust/2021/2021-Budget-Funding-for-Inmate-Meal-Costs- 020221.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiprZ2qhvz4AhV-K0QIHQ6KC2QQFnoECBAQBg&usg=AOvVaw2qOL6RepxDBsN4wsblwVpO
1. Executing criminals costs more than keeping them alive.
2. "Magic" proposes that life must be sacrificed for other life, if this is true it means that life is a means to a goal (in this case, the "justice" that Magic speaks of), but life is not it can never be a means, since the consequences of this are devastating, turning life into a means allows to end the life of others in certain circumstances and thanks to the flexibility of the law this allows the state to assassinate whoever it wishes, prisoners politicians for example.
3. I consider security against the state more important than against an individual, the state has more resources and power, so it is more difficult to make it pay any consequence for an unjust murder.
4. Legalizing the death penalty will result in the loss of innocent lives.
sources:
Round 2
1. The pro source refers to cases in general, it does not make a comparison of life imprisonment against the death penalty, the truth is that life imprisonment is more expensive than the death penalty.
2. The good thing is that we have a judicial system designed to give fair sentences, if someone does not deserve the death penalty, they will not receive it.
3. The state has limits and a system designed to act fairly, rapists and kidnappers do not.
4. More innocents die at the hands of psychopaths.
1. The study clearly mentions that it compares cases similar to those that carry the death penalty, many of these cases carry life sentences, in addition, the study also mentions that in Tennessee killing criminals costs more than giving them life sentences.
2. Our judicial system is imperfect (especially mine that I live in Mexico), practically all the countries in the world have political prisoners, and practically all those that have the death penalty kill innocent people.
3. some states are self-regulate , countries like china, cuba, north korea and others do not have a good judicial system.
4. Legalizing the death penalty will not reduce those losses.
Round 3
Forfeited
Forfeited
"1. Executing criminals costs more than keeping them alive."
And this is a problem, how? The government spends gross amounts of money on crap no one needs. They don't seem to care about that. Moreover, the government spends millions and billions by giving it to other lesser countries who will never ever pay us back. So, the cost of carrying out legit punishment for the most heinous of all felonious crimes is merely a drop in the bucket compared to all the other wasteful spending that the state and/or federal government tosses down the proverbial toilet.
"2. "Magic" proposes that life must be sacrificed for other life, if this is true it means that life is a means to a goal (in this case, the "justice" that Magic speaks of), but life is not it can never be a means, since the consequences of this are devastating, turning life into a means allows to end the life of others in certain circumstances and thanks to the flexibility of the law this allows the state to assassinate whoever it wishes, prisoners politicians for example."
This makes no sense. No sense at all. Can this be rephrased into something more cogent?
"3. I consider security against the state more important than against an individual, the state has more resources and power, so it is more difficult to make it pay any consequence for an unjust murder."
The individual is the state, for the state cannot exist without the individual (ie. the collective).
The last part about making "it" pay any consequence for an unjust murder makes no sense. This needs to be clarified. Unjust murder? Whose murder, and by whom, exactly? What makes such a murder, a murder and unjust?
"4. Legalizing the death penalty will result in the loss of innocent lives."
The death penalty is legal already in many states, and what loss of innocent lives do you speak of? No system on this planet is perfect, which is why the appeals process is very lengthy and costly to ensure no innocent inmate is executed. Nevertheless, there will always be an occasional unfortunate loss.
Why are you so up about punishing rapists? The punishment for rape should be 1 year in prison and thats it. Now if someone found a little 4 year old girl and took her home to just use her for pleasure, he should be punished with 2 months in prison since it wasnt rape.
Life in jail isn’t enough, but the death penalty doesn’t help the victims.
That’s why I propose the Stanton penalty for murderers and rapists; this consists of 3 things:
1) Life in jail.
2)Hard labor fixing the roads of the greatest country the simulation overlords ever created so America can have the best infrastructure in the world. Rape victims get $200,000 in restitution that the hard labor generates and the families of murder victims get $250,000.
3) Surgical castration, as a deterrent.
If there is a false conviction, the accused gets freed and paid for their trauma. But if they are guilty, then they absolutely deserve the toughest punishment short of death.