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Mr.Demographic2050

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#3462

Gun Control

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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

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After 3 votes and with 3 points ahead, the winner is...

Mr.Demographic2050

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Publication date: 06.06.2022 11:35PM
Last updated date: 01.08.2023 04:13PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 5
Time for argument: Two weeks
Max argument characters: 30,000
Voting period: Six months
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

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jamezrevenge

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So how much gun control do you favor to implement and what is a reasonable amount to you?

Round 1

Mr.Demographic2050

06.07.2022 01:45AM

Con

So James, how much gun control do you favor to implement and what is a reasonable amount to you?

jamezrevenge

06.07.2022 02:18AM

Pro

Last year, the Violence Policy Center found that gun owners are 32 times more likely to use their weapon in criminal homicide than in self-defense. Usually, the first reason a gun advocate says there is a need to own guns is the self-protection myth. Now that that myth has been debunked and it has been proven that justifiable homicides are rare, We must move past the old self-defense narrative and think with clearer heads when discussing gun ownership." In other words, Owning a gun DOES NOT protect the gun owner in comparison to protecting the gun owner. It's a myth. "Fear of Other People Is Now the Primary Motivation for American Gun Ownership, A Landmark Survey Finds'' Studies have found that people who live in homes with handguns are twice as likely to take their life compared to those who live in homes with other types of firearms, Such as shotguns and rifles. (Seniors are the population at the highest risk of using a handgun in a fatal suicide attempt.) Research shows that domestic violence victims are five times more likely to be killed if their abuser has access to a gun. The Harvard/Northeastern survey shows a slight increase in the number of gun-owning women" a group that now makes up 12 percent of all gun owners. But while nearly 70 percent of women cited self-protection as one of the primary motivations for owning a gun, Past studies show that a gun in the home is statistically more likely to be used to harm a woman than to help one. "Our survey suggests that many more people believe guns in their home make them safer, When in fact, Epidemiological research suggests precisely the opposite, " Deb Azrael says.In a statement, AMA President Steven J. Stack, MD, Said: "With approximately 30, 000 men, women, and children dying each year at the barrel of a gun in elementary schools, Movie theaters, Workplaces, Houses of worship, and on live television, The United States faces a public health crisis of gun violence. Even as America faces a crisis unrivaled in any other developed country, The Congress prohibits the CDC from conducting the very research that would help us understand the problems associated with gun violence and determine how to reduce the high rate of firearm-related deaths and injuries. An epidemiological analysis of gun violence is vital so physicians and other health providers, Law enforcement, And society at large may be able to prevent injury, death, and other harms to society resulting from firearms. " Continuing" The legislation that the doctors" groups hope to overturn with such money stems from what some refer to as the Dickey Amendment, named after former Rep. Jay Dickey (R-Ark. ). In 1996, Dickey successfully introduced legislation that stripped $2. 6 million from the CDC"s budget"the exact amount the agency used for firearm-related research. While the money was later added back to the CDC"s budget, So was wording in the appropriations bill that stipulated that the agency couldn't"t use federal funds to "advocate or promote gun control. Though that language does"t explicitly ban firearm research, It has effectively done so. "Removing the money from the budget and enacting the Dickey Amendment were the first and second shots across the bow by the NRA, "

Round 2

Mr.Demographic2050

06.09.2022 01:59AM

Con

You sure you didn't copy and paste a lot of your first argument there? Responding to it Anyways....

"Last year, the Violence Policy Center found that gun owners are 32 times more likely to use their weapon in criminal homicide than in self-defense." - While this may be, self-defense is still very much a inherent reason in getting a gun for protecting lives, maybe more precise background checks could help lessen those who purchase registered weapons use it for illegal activities.

"Studies have found that people who live in homes with handguns are twice as likely to take their life compared to those who live in homes with other types of firearms," - That's is more of a mental health issue then the gun itself.

"Research shows that domestic violence victims are five times more likely to be killed if their abuser has access to a gun." - Domestic violence can happen with any kind of instrument used for the purpose of destruction, many things like that in a household inlcuded.

"Past studies show that a gun in the home is statistically more likely to be used to harm a woman than to help one" - The study done titles it's been only conducted on household living and not every other aspect of daily life in regard for a women having a gun for self-defense so It's invalid in that bigger picture of things.
James, I myself agree that there should be some form of gun control to lessen gun violence sure, but what is a reasonable extent of gun control that should be implemented to you and could possibly benefit both sides: anti and pro gun?

jamezrevenge

06.10.2022 05:05PM

Pro

You forgot to mention suicide attempts because there is a gun in a home suicide attempts increase and Domestic violence increases if there is a gun in the home, etc. Ars Technica "AMA takes on NRA: Doctors prep for political battle over gun violence crisis" "Following Sunday"s tragic mass shooting in Orlando, Florida"the deadliest in US history"the American Medical Association has officially declared gun violence in the US an unrivaled public health crisis. With this declaration, The AMA will now actively lobby Congress to overturn legislation that has kept the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from researching gun violence for the past 20 years" legislation backed largely by the National Rifle Association. also Absolutely gun bans are required and all weapons of superior firepower are to occur if there is to be worldwide peace. No exceptions, None. Granted, That is a pipedream. Of course, other things are required to happen as well if worldwide peace is to occur. The banning of guns and weapons of superior firepower is one way for a solution for worldwide peace. 4 more categories are required to take place for worldwide peace to occur. Everything falls into the umbrella of these categories IF and only IF worldwide peace is to occur. Of course they probably and most assuredly won"t because man is a man with the stunted brain of a pea. Regardless, As those who enter gun debates do because they have no other alternative when their backs are up against the wall, Especially when bullets guns and the people that fire them knowingly cause the deaths of children, When 17 vets on average put bullets in their brains per day, When on average an American dies due to suicide with a gun every 22 minutes, etc, etc etc. Sure some do, But how many of the 100% deliberately, Key word is "deliberately" go out and try to commit a homicide and or take their lives with them and thus use a car as a weapon to murder someone, Whereas with a gun someone does murder someone in comparison? Does someone wish to get drunk so they can go out and commit murder and not know what the crap they are doing? Sure alcoholism does increase violence among most who are alcoholics But was invented for. The very press of a trigger is a violent act. Someone does die due to gun violence because someone DOES wish to go out and shoot up a neighborhood, Take themselves completely out of the game, Go off to war, and murder someone else. There's a HUGE MONUMENTAL DIFFERENCE in which ALL GUN CRIMES can be prevented that is unless you believe these things are a good thing? No, they're not. Sorry

Round 3

Mr.Demographic2050

06.10.2022 06:18PM

Con

"You forgot to mention suicide attempts because there is a gun in a home suicide attempts increase" - Again, this is more of mental health stand alone issue rather then the gun itself when it comes to suicidal intentions.

"Domestic violence increases if there is a gun in the home," - Again, trying to pin a separate issue of malicious intent onto a tangible object.

"the American Medical Association has officially declared gun violence in the US an unrivaled public health crisis." - That's Leftist-Liberalism instead.

"Absolutely gun bans are required and all weapons of superior firepower are to occur if there is to be worldwide peace." - as if the rest of the world is going to obliged to that rule due to a domestic issue here in the states lmfao

James man, we both agree there should be some form of gun control but you're not still answering the main question here. What extent of gun control do you think is a reasonable amount to implement?

jamezrevenge

06.10.2022 07:21PM

Pro

i'm on the side that needs background checks and other stuff and that ESPECIALLY someone"s suicide attempts that people should stop getting guns UNLESS there are so so so many horrific things going on with that specific person that it just in no possible way can be overcome. Yeah. Been there, Tried it, But not with a gun as a gun makes suicide a lot easier. With vets especially (no I"m not a vet), They need help, and they"re not getting it, Rather than committing suicide. It states in the article on the Harvard webpage which is: https://www.Hsph.Harvard.Edu/news/magazine/guns-and-suicide/ "All new gun owners are heavily encouraged to participate in gun classes on use and safety." I decided to read a little bit further. See how bad your argument is? "are heavily encouraged" Does this mean that they will? No. They won't. There"s also no such thing, None, As teaching gun safety to kids. NONE. Especially when a kid finds the gun, Plays with it, And takes his life ACCIDENTALLY even if the adults practiced all the gun so-called safety rules there are in which case there are none "What sources say that guns fail to protect the owner?" also "Removing the money from the budget and enacting the Dickey Amendment were the first and second shots across the bow by the NRA, " Mark Rosenberg told the LA Times. Rosenberg is a gun violence expert who was head of the CDC's National Center for Injury Prevention and Control at the time the Dickey amendment passed. "The third shot is the idea that if you do this research, You"ll be hassled [by the NRA], " he added. "The result is that the CDC does nothing in gun violence research." Politicians, Including House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif. ), Have made attempts to strike the gun research stipulation but have had no luck. After the 2012 Newtown, Connecticut, Massacre of schoolchildren, President Obama issued an executive order that the CDC resume firearm-related research, But the CDC has continued to avoid the topic, Noting that it still lacks dedicated funding for the research. " Ah yes "the fear people have of losing their lives. A gun does give them that security so that feeling of dread they might not lose it. So? How many kids lose their lives due to guns because the parents and or adults do not know how to properly store and or care for them because there is no such thing? Yeah, the kids know EXACTLY where the guns are. Not only that but the worst of it is how many kids die in the streets because of gun violence and or are shot and murdered in the crossfire? Here's something else. . . Suppose there's an invasion. . . How many are trained to use their guns, Not only take their guns out, Point, Aim and shoot the intruder BEFORE that intruder is actually on top of them? Absolutely gun bans are required and all weapons of superior firepower are to occur if there is to be worldwide peace.

Round 4

Mr.Demographic2050

06.10.2022 11:45PM

Con

"Yeah. Been there, Tried it, But not with a gun as a gun makes suicide a lot easier. With vets especially (no I"m not a vet), They need help, and they''re not getting it, Rather than committing suicide." - This is still primarily a mental health issue and removing the gun won't magically stop all suicides will it?

"All new gun owners are heavily encouraged to participate in gun classes on use and safety." I decided to read a little bit further. See how bad your argument is? "are heavily encouraged" Does this mean that they will? No. They won't." - Then that sounds like a gun control policy to try to enact then, wouldn't you agree James?

"How many kids lose their lives due to guns because the parents and or adults do not know how to properly store and or care for them because there is no such thing?" - Irresponsible parents who are at the liability of their children's safety, not the gun itself.

"Not only that but the worst of it is how many kids die in the streets because of gun violence and or are shot and murdered in the crossfire?" Most of those neighborhood shootings are happening in mostly none-white minority regions where these people are not known to have the same civilizational cooperation as White People who built this great nation.

"Suppose there's an invasion. . . How many are trained to use their guns, Not only take their guns out, Point, Aim and shoot the intruder BEFORE that intruder is actually on top of them?" - That's a security protocol left up to the gun owners plus having a gun then no gun surely gives you a better chance to fend for yourself during an intrusion due to it's handling. If your home was getting burglarized, would you rather have a gun nearby to be readily defensive or call 9-1-1 and wait for the cops to show up?

"Absolutely gun bans are required and all weapons of superior firepower are to occur if there is to be worldwide peace." - And you think the rest of the world is going to follow America's example of that lol? Please Stick to the domestic terms here James.

So when you say "absolutely" you're for banning ALL guns correct, not just weapons of superior firepower(AR-15)?

(btw this video clip owns your entire argument on blaming it on the gun itself gg kiddo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_rAy0HwEog

The rise in violence not only with guns but in general along with societal decay is primarily driven by how upside down White Western Civilization has gotten that's being pushed by Jewish Elites to subvert and internally destroy White Western Kind.

jamezrevenge

06.24.2022 11:45PM

Pro

Forfeited

Round 5

Mr.Demographic2050

06.28.2022 04:13PM

Con

Opponent Forfeited.

jamezrevenge

07.12.2022 04:13PM

Pro

#10

Forfeited

TWS1405

08.01.2022 11:51PM

There is no such thing as sensible gun control.

Criminals do not obey the law.

Law abiding citizens obey the law.

Gun control laws inhibit law abiding citizens with ZERO effect on criminals.

jamezrevenge

06.10.2022 07:26PM

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@Mr.Demographic2050

sorry about the second round of the debate I have a google doc that I write all of my debates down and then I copy the rounds in and I accidentally copy and pasted the same exact thing as round 1

Intelligence_06

06.09.2022 12:32AM

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@Mr.Demographic2050

Well, maybe the next time try a more specific topic, because No one I know can defend this topic.

jamezrevenge

06.09.2022 12:10AM

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@Mr.Demographic2050

well could we continue this debate if you pleased

Mr.Demographic2050

06.08.2022 06:03PM

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@Intelligence_06

Well my good friend James here wanted to do a gun control debate with me so I'll give it my best shot.

Intelligence_06

06.08.2022 08:41AM

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@Mr.Demographic2050

Oh my god, *rub eyes* are you seriously arguing against any extent of gun control?

Barney

01.08.2023 09:46AM

Criterion

Con

Tie

Pro

Points

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3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Forfeiture.

RationalMadman

10.08.2022 10:07PM

Criterion

Con

Tie

Pro

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

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2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

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1 point(s)

Reason:

50% FF

Kritikal

08.01.2022 07:15PM

Criterion

Con

Tie

Pro

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

It was an FF