"Not quite. See, even the customers are slaves to a concept known as demand vs supply, they only get power to drive down the price when the supply is higher than the demand while the providers have power to drive the prices up (and ought to) when the demand is higher than the supply."
Let me ask, if a company has little to no customers daily due to high prices and that company is not competing, what will happen to that business?
When the business is slow, it means there's a lack of customers. The business has to lower its prices due to the customer. The business will go out of business due to the customer. That's why there are promotions and coupon programs to remain competitive as possible.
The subject is about the so called business owner. Being a slave to money is that other debate I have. I do agree with you that there is enslavement to money. That's my position in the other debate.
"Nobody escapes the rules of economics. Nobody has to. You do not need to be god in order to be a boss within reality, you do not need to control the entire economy in order to be a business owner and your own boss. "
When you say boss right here, what tier of authority is being referenced?
Is the customer the next tier over the shopkeeper?
Like I said, the employer/"owner" is actually second in command.
Look at it this way. It's the dollar, economics like you say to follow the end all be all when it comes to any "profitable" business. Just follow the profits.
When you say I don't need to control the whole economy , are you conceding that there is control over who you're calling the business owner?
Well I agree . All I'm saying is that the title doesn't carry the amount of "be all, end all" generally people think. Like the puffed up image that these individuals don't answer to any other being the so called owners .
"You can have demand and supply laws to obey and be your own boss despite it. You can be a boss who has to dress in a suit to go to work because that's the dress code and execute the authority you have and choose which specific suit, tie and shirt you wear."
Here it is again with rankings. Don't blur them . Let's distinguish who ultimately controls a profitable business. I can decide and control what color paint goes on the wall. The customer can ultimately decide whether the doors stay open and see those walls. The customer volume is small to none at certain times of the day.
The store, merchant , will base the hours of operation on that. That's why there's also a change in hours around holiday times. There's extended hours for some places for holiday shopping and bargains .
"The debate isn't about being somebody totally free of it all,"
Right, it's about the so called business owner having the consumers being the actual owner or authority over the business. No money, no business.
"You are not discussing 'freedom' you are discussing the power to execute authority over a business' executive decisions and there really is a person who is their own boss at the top of it, particularly in a smaller business. "
Allow some expansion here with what was said about the power to make authoritative decisions. Which can only be made in an open running business.
Let's recap the details. Who you call a business owner can dictate to their employees. They can design, decorate the place , however, whatever. But they are only allowed to do all of that in a continuing , functioning business.
How am I the boss at the top of it and I can't control ultimately the business to stay open? I didn't see any disagreement about market value and traffic volume or control there of.
We agree, we have the same position. Not sure what the hang up is .
you're not the boss of the consumer... You're the boss of your employees... xD
"Being a boss in a business requires you to respect the fact that if nobody demands what you supply at the quality, in the way and/or at the price you provide it... you will go bankrupt."
We agree, we have the same position. Don't tell me I'm the boss of a consumer with the power to bankrupt my store. Quit the wavering.
If you think the other side won, then vote for the other side. If you merely think a vote is short on analysis, then show better analysis in your own votes to lead the charge on quality improvement.
As things currently stand, you’re just complaining about the existence of votes.
Too late
If I were making this debate, I would have included a rule that Barney may not vote
I'll try to get to this.
Easy vote if you care to (in my opinion) cheers.