Unrated debate, testing our ability to please the SET AUDIENCE that gave me the loss before.
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After 2 votes and with 2 points ahead, the winner is...

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A major issue I am having is not knowing the audience prior to doing this.
Let's try with knowing.
Ramshutu can vote by posting, he is blocked by meand has blocked me.
Ok.
So this is really straightforward for me. I took time to listen to all ten tracks and voted solely according to listening preference.
Round 1....Draw.
RM. Didn't like this track...0
BPD. Didn't like this track...0
Round 2.
RM. Didn't like this track...0
BPD. This track was OK....1
Round 3.
RM. This was OK...0
BPD. But this was good...1
Round 4.
RM. Liked this....0
BPD. But this was my favourite overall....1
Round 5.
RM. Liked this. Second best overall....1
BPD. OK.....0
So BPD wins...3 - 1.
Disclaimer: I suck at voting on DDO.
R1: Pro
Artist: Jedi Mind Tricks
Song Name: The Sacrilege of Fatal Arms
Reason:
I liked the instrumental cadence and flow. I found it somewhat hypnotic. The raw vocals and aggression I also liked.
R2: Con
Artist: Immortal Technique
Song Name: Dance with the Devil
Reason:
It was like a very graphic rap of a synopsis of a dark novel. Really different from previous songs I’ve heard from you guys.
Plus it was either this or a mumble rap (chorus) which is a big no no for me.
R3: Con
Artist: Oddisee
Song Name: Own Appeal
Reason:
This vote was more of a vote against RationalMadman’s song. I disliked the lullaby theme.
R4: Con
Artist: Dark Time Sunshine feat. Reva Devito
Song Name: Never Cry Wolf
Again, this was more of a vote against RationalMadman. His song was borderline mumble rap if not completely mumble rap. Big no no.
R5: Pro
Artist: Sa-Roc
Song Name: NSFW (Not Safe For Weak Rappers)
Pro has the best songs but he also has the worst.
‘‘Twas kinda mumbly.
go talk to someone who hasn't blocked you, or are you incapable of that
@RM
As for the comment you quoted and tagged me about, I am pointing out what could the mentalities akin to your objective sense of something that cannot be be standardized cause harm in, as well as how utter irrational you are by claiming that your rap is better without proof. Qualities surely do exist, but without assumptions nothing could be said about whether they are good or bad.
@RM If you think your sense of music is better than people after all, then why would you post a debate instead of a forum or an infographic of why what music is good? If anything, you should at least include reasonings of why your songs are better, which you did not. This is a DEBATE with 3000 characters. Use them wisely.
@RM No, that does not shift from the fact that you tried to objectify "good" music and "bad" music when there is no fixed standard at all.
How about you repost the song I shared so I can’t claim that’s a strawman.
please think before you type, what you just said is insulting to nobody except transgender people that you just trivialised the suffering of.
This is what you think good music is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhxayCHD8yI
So saying you had some of the best music doesn't count as well? Look, I don’t like rappers which sound baked in the studio with no conviction, especially with bad lyrics. The delivery and flow is shit… You can shit all over my objectively good music when you’re voting on one of my debates. Deal?
@Rm At this point your behavior is comparable to conservative transphobes who tells trans people to "learn basic biology". Unlike sex assigned at birth, taste of music can be changed and there is no objectively correct opinion about music.
I request you to give proof of why exactly your taste in rap is better than, for example, someone who is eligible to vote on your debates. Even then, this site resembles a democracy and disallowing people who disagree with you to vote isn't good for such atmosphere of the site.
not true, I specifically picked songs that had good delivery and flow, meaning they sound better than they are necessarily lyrically.
You just got no clue about rap, you like really annoying raps on overly synthed electronic beats.
It looks nice written down I guess.
"In this ting I'm nobody's learner
No L plate, 18 Reg
Yeah I work, but I'm not a worker
You do late, I do further
Oi yo
AM lurker
See you in the morning
Nah I don't curl up I just roll out all day earner
Oi yo
Old man from young, cold and stun, might get spun, mic get stung, riddim get D D D D D Done
See how I make this run"
try to call that mumble rap, you don't know shit
Let me show you some bars from Jelani's song:
"Tango Lima
So many sirens
So many beemer
Man I stay heated without the fever
Man in control without the fifa
Oi yo
Don't follow the leader
How you could tell man that I ain't deeper
Come from wiley, don't know Anita
Don't know losing, don't know defeater
Oi yo
Bredda I'm done
Have I not told you I'm not the one
Man I had no olders from young
Never say how high
Never say jump
Oi yo
Take big thumps and I still get back up never been slumped
I'm a big man won't hold my tongue
Never heard a lie that I ain't heard once so I tell them"
https://genius.com/Jelani-blackman-nobodys-son-lyrics
I don't need to research shit, I already know it. It actually was Lil Wayne and Birdman that inspired it, not Gucci Mane who copied them and got credit when really what he invented was new age Trap. Mumbling and being shallow was already being done before Gucci did it.
Jelani Blackman is not a mumble rapper that's a bullcrap insult, neither is Hopsin.
@RM the purpose of debates is to convince people. Your proof is close to nothing and you are triggered due to someone else having a different taste in music. Unless you have an extensive paragraph dedicated to what is good music and what is bad rap so that people understands and relates to your taste in rap, you have done close to nothing to convince anyone to vote for you.
Do some research on mumble rap and its evolution. What’s triggering to me is rapping like your baked in the studio.
holy shit reece's vote triggered me beyond belief, he has no clue at all about rap i am done ever engaging in this shit
you think hopsin's song was mumble rap?!!! the chorus was crystal clear WTF
how the FUCK was nobody's son mumble rap? really gtfo
the song I linked to is the one I meant, I changed my mind and changed the links but forgot to change the song name
FUCK i WROTE A WRONG SONG NAME
I meant sacrilege of fatal arms
No Problem.
Though I wasn't unpleased previously.
In fact I did say that you chose my favourite track.
I simply made a subjective 5 against 5 decision, based solely upon the music.....Same as any voter should.