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Conservative ideology thrives solely based on a wholesale butchery of the facts
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After 3 votes and with 19 points ahead, the winner is...
blamonkey
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Round 1
Forfeited
Thank you for being my first opponent on this site. I wish
you luck. Hopefully you post an argument.
Framework
The resolution is written as a claim of fact (1). A claim of
fact entails that something exists, be it a factual event, object,
classification etc. Essentially, my opponent must prove the resolution true to
win. Therefore, the Burden of Proof falls on my opponent’s case to prove the
resolution true.
Definitions
Conservative: “Tending or disposed to maintain existing
views, conditions, or institutions (2).”
Ideology: “A system of ideas and ideals, especially one which
forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy (3).”
Thrives: “Flourishes, to grow vigorously (4).”
Solely: Entirely, completely. Butchery: In this sentence, it clearly means the twisting of
fact, or complete denial of fact.
Fact: “Something that actually exists. (5)”
C1: Analysis of the word: “Ideology”
Lies and fact do not factor into adopting an
ideology. As mentioned previously, an ideology is a “system of ideas
and ideals.” Basically, what my opponent is theorizing is contradictory to the
very definition of the word “ideology.” Even if I were to say that Republican
policy ideas are based in lies, (many would consider trickle-down economics
this sort of lie,) it does not address the “ideals and ideas” that adherents consider
important, (i.e. we must look toward tradition and experience for a firm grasp
of future decisions.) These ideas and ideals are not factual and represent the
mindset of a person; not fact or fiction. The “wholesale butchery of fact” does
not factor into someone looking at the past for answers to life’s questions and
are not always politically biased toward conservative political parties. I, for
instance, may feel strongly that the government ought to “conserve” the weakness
of the federal government per a dislike of radical change of past political
institutions and quite reasonably believe that the government should not ban
gay marriage as it inflates the government’s size and power over the people.
Even the ideas of the ideology could be justified in pure logic and fact. For
example, consider someone who does not value political institutions whatsoever
and wants to abolish the Military completely because it takes up too many
tax-payer dollars. A conservative ideologist may be discouraged by this massive
alteration because it changes an important part of our defense that we had for ages
and leaves ourselves more vulnerable. This idea is not necessarily false.
Instead, like any ideology, it is based off a system of values. In fact, a
complete abolition of our military to reserve spending for other departments
could potentially be a bad idea given our goals overseas and because we erase
all our war-making power. This abolition would limit other actors’ deterrence
in attacking the US and decreases our ability to respond to everything from
cyberattacks to protecting our trade routes in the South China Sea. The
opposition to the complete abolition of the military makes sense and is not
born of deceitful twisting of fact. It is essential that people understand that
an ideology is not born out of fact, but out of a personal view of how the
world does work, and how it should work. When lies do not factor into an
ideology, it would be impossible to attribute lies to solely explain the
prevalence of conservative ideology in the world. In fact, an ideology does not
dictate a political party, as plenty of people with conservative ideologies may
be from left-leaning parties. Instead, people use facts and logic to justify
their political ideology. So, even if we disproved of every single conservative
lie, the values in a conservative ideology still exist.
C2: There Is No Sole
Factor Determining Someone’s Ideology
Contrary to widespread belief, it seems that people do not
adopt ideologies because of rational decisions or fact. There is no sole reason
for why someone thinks a certain way. We can, however, get hints through a wide
body of research. New York University published a paper in 2007 that thoroughly
parsed through multiple theories as to why people adopt the ideology they do.
Correlative factors included interpersonal relationships, the salience of
political speech in a family, and desiring to have a “shared reality” with
other like-minded people. In fact, as the study point out, people automatically
“tune” themselves somewhat to the political ideology of others when they realize
that their peers or loved ones express different political ideas. Ergo, conservative
ideology is also flourishing when people adopt the worldview to mesh with
others. The same paper conducted a study to determine the effect of a parent’s
effect on a child’s ideology and found undeniable correlation. Essentially, the
test conductors recruited undergraduates with one conservative parent and one
liberal parent. They were asked to describe in a few sentences a negative or
positive interaction with one of their parents. Next, they took a test to see
if their ideology aligned with a system-affirming behavior (conservative,) or system-subverting
(liberal,) and found that their answers mirrored the ideology of the parent
they wrote about (6).Parents are hardly the only influence on their children
wither. Political Science Professor Jeffrey Lyons of Boise State University conducted
a study by following a group of people’s political leanings at age 18, 35, and 50.
It was discovered that at times later in test subjects’ life, factors such as
the political leanings of towns or spouses became more important than parents’
influence. By age 35, the politics of a county was 2 times as important in
someone’s ideology, while a spouse’s opinion became 3 times as important. By
age 50, the spouse’s opinion was the greatest determining factor in someone’s
ideology (7).The Scientific American published an article showing that
fear affects how people as well, as people of all political ideologies became
more conservative after 9/11, and when conservatives were asked to pretend that
they were impervious to damage and invincible, they leaned slightly to the left
(8). Even the basics of wording affect someone’s political ideology:Humans are irrational creatures that are swayed by the opinions
of those closest to them and by self-preservation. With ideologies constantly
in flux due to social paradigms, how is it possible to determine that lies are
the only reason that people have conservative ideologies per the resolution?
The answer is obvious: we can’t determine one sole cause. Even if we got rid of
every single conservative lie possible, the mindset of those who adopt such an
ideology will not change and neither will their impact on those around them. As
people become conservative, those around them do to, causing the ideology to “flourish.”
Also, when frightening events occur and priorities change, we will see the
emergence of more adherents to conservative ideology as well.
Sources
5. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fact 6.https://psych.nyu.edu/jost/Jost,%20Ledgerwood,%20&%20Hardin%20Shared%20reality,%20system%20justification%20and%20the%20relational%20basis%20of%20ideological%20beliefs.pdf
Round 2
Forfeited
Extend arguments. Also, there should obviously be no final round arguments. Hopefully, my opponent responds soon.
Round 3
Forfeited
Extend arguments.
nice R1 👏👏