Instigator / Pro

gugigor

1499

rating

debates

35.58%

won

Topic

#2829

Invincible argument challenge

Status

Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics

Better arguments

Better sources

Better legibility

Better conduct

After 2 votes and with 8 points ahead, the winner is...

RationalMadman

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Parameters

Publication date: 02.21.2021 06:14AM
Last updated date: 05.12.2021 01:58AM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 4
Time for argument: Two weeks
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One month
Point system: Multiple criterions
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

RationalMadman

1702

rating

574

debates

67.86%

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Description

Pro waives round 1. Con chooses a debate topic and definitions. Pro can either argue for it or argue against it, declaring his stance and making his arguments. Con will argue the opposing stance.

Burden of proof is shared

There is a twist. Pro and con must make at least three arguments each. Pro and con are each allowed one “invincible argument” they label during their opening rounds , which the other side cannot contest besides outweighing with another invincible argument (they may also ask tricky or leading questions for clarification). This argument can not be the framework, semantics, trolling. It also cannot be a blatant lie.

Round 1

gugigor

02.21.2021 01:17PM

Pro

Waive

RationalMadman

02.22.2021 06:41AM

Con

Debate Topic: Sex-positive feminism is/are a/the better brand(s) of it, for the cause, than anti-pornographic and generally 'conservative' brand(s) of it.

'brand' is interchangable with branch/form in terms of its definition.

'Feminism' is defined as:

Feminism, the belief in social, economic, and political equality of the sexes. Although largely originating in the West, feminism is manifested worldwide and is represented by various institutions committed to activity on behalf of women’s rights and interests.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/feminism

'Better' is defined as:

of a higher standard, or more suitable, pleasing, or effective than other things or people:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/better

3: more attractive, favorable, or commendablein better circumstances
4: more advantageous or effectivea better solution

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/better

My actual stance is very Pro on this topic but I am completely ready to play devil's advocate and gave a lot of thought into which topic to pick here. It's a topic that has occurred to me as something I am very interested in.

If my opponent wants a properly intense fight, he should go for the Con side, if I am made to be Con on this topic, I will play dirty. I am very familiar indeed with what genuine arguments there are for the Con side, I just see more logic in the Pro side of it.

Round 2

gugigor

03.08.2021 06:41AM

Pro

Forfeited

RationalMadman

03.14.2021 12:24PM

Con

This debate has been conceded by the user who appears 'Pro' in the comments section. I am open to a 2-Round-only debate if he wants it but since he hasn't officially declared his side and his invincible argument etc. it will be an unfair advantage for me to just do that now with an extra Round to debate and I could also pick the side which breaks the structure.

Round 3

gugigor

03.19.2021 03:51AM

Pro

Rip, feel free to vote opponent

RationalMadman

03.29.2021 01:58AM

Con

I was looking forward to this debate. I actually will create this debate later on when I have the time to dedicate to it, it's a very in-depth one no matter which side you represent.

Round 4

gugigor

04.12.2021 12:04AM

Pro

xdd

RationalMadman

04.12.2021 01:58AM

Con

Unrated

gugigor

03.10.2021 04:58AM

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@RationalMadman

I'm probably leaning Pro.

RationalMadman

03.09.2021 06:34AM

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@gugigor

Are you pro or con on the topic?

gugigor

03.08.2021 03:48PM

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@RationalMadman

oops. I forgot about this debate. You can take the win since it's unrated.

Barney

02.21.2021 08:17AM

Fun setup!

Barney

05.04.2021 03:02PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Concession.

fauxlaw

05.03.2021 03:56PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Better arguments

3 point(s)

Better sources

2 point(s)

Better legibility

1 point(s)

Better conduct

1 point(s)

Reason:

Truth be told, I oppose a debate set-up that includes a declared waiver, mainly because the Debate Policy declares there shall be an argument in every round, and the Voting Policy declares a waiver is not an argument. Further, I consider an R1 waiver to be a weakness against the opposing party just to see how they will argue. ?This debate set-up was a unique approach to a first-round waiver, but, my personal rule, supported by policy, stands. Therefore, I consider Pro's R1 the equivalent of a forfeiture.

Argument: Pro's waiver of R1, and forfeit of R2 seals the deal: Pro offered no argument whatsoever, whereas Con obviously went to great length and time to assemble an argument, as challenged by Pro, providing all the necessary elements as challenged. With a virtual concession in R3, No further argument from Con was necessary. Points to Con.

Sources: As Con provides the only sources in the debate, using them to bolster his requested debate subject, Con wins these points.

Legibiity: Tie, though leaning heavily to Con.

Conduct: Point to Con due to virtually no input from Pro, while making an effort to illicit response from Pro in all rounds.