Resolved: Abstinence only sex-education is not effective in reducing teen pregnancy
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Abstinence: "the fact of not doing something, such as drinking alcohol or having sex:" [1]
Only: "used to show that there is a single one or very few of something, or that there are no others:" [2]
Sex Education: "a school course about sexual reproduction and sexual feelings" [3]
Effective: "successful or achieving the results that you want:" [4]
Reducing: "to become or to make something become smaller in size, amount, degree, importance, etc.:" [5]
Teenage: "aged between 13 and 19:" [6]
Pregnancy: "the state of being pregnant:" [7]
[1]: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/abstinence
[2]: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/only
[3]: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/sex-education
[4]: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/effective
[5]: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/reduce?q=reducing+
[6]: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/teenage
[7]: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/pregnancy
General Rules:
1. No new arguments in the last round
2. Sources should be posted in the debate rounds, hyperlinked or otherwise
3. Burden of Proof is shared
- IF Con were to argue that Abstinence education does in fact reduce teen pregnancy, THEN they would have to provide data regarding only abstinence sex-education, not a mix of two, as that is not topical to the debate
- Con is not strictly limited by the definitions provided by pro; however, Pro would have a B.O.P to claim to have any definitions which the voters should prefer over the definitions in the description, Con would have to demonstrate the purposed definitions validity.
- IF Con attempts to argue that the resolution is true using non-standard definitions, THEN they must demonstrate that those terms are more reasonably what is intended given the resoltuion, thus, they must explictiedly demonstrate such vocabulary differences.
"These data show clearly that abstinence-only education as a state policy is ineffective in preventing teenage pregnancy and may actually be contributing to the high teenage pregnancy rates in the U.S."
"Labor-Health and Human Services, Education and Other Agencies” appropriations bill including a total of $114 million for a new evidence-based Teen Pregnancy Prevention Initiative for FY 2010 was signed into law in December 2009. This constitutes the first large-scale federal investment dedicated to preventing teen pregnancy through research- and evidence-based efforts. "
6. Trenholm C, Devaney B, Fortson K, Quay L, Wheeler J, et al. “Impacts of four Title V, Section 510 abstinence education programs” (Mathematica Policy Research). 2007. Available: http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/abstinence07/. Accessed 2010, May 8.8. Kirby D. Emerging Answers, Research Findings on Programs to Reduce Teen Pregnancy and Sexually Transmitted Diseases (National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, Washington, DC). 2007. www.thenational campaign.org/EA2007/EA2007_full.pdf. Accessed 2010, Jun 18.
"Findings indicate that, despite the effects seen after the first year, programs had no statistically significant impact on eventual behavior.В Based on data from the final follow-up survey, youth in the program group were no more likely to abstain from sex than their control group counterparts; among those who reported having had sex, program and control group youth had similar numbers of sexual partners and had initiated sex at the same mean age."
"At present, there does not exist any strong evidence that any abstinence program delays theinitiation of sex, hastens the return to abstinence,or reduces the number of sexual partners. Inaddition, there is strong evidence from multiplerandomized trials demonstrating that some abstinence programs chosen for evaluation becausethey were believed to be promising actually hadno impact on teen sexual behavior"
"Results. Federal abstinence-only funding had no effect on adolescent birthrates overall but displayed a perverse effect, increasing adolescent birthrates in conservative states. Adolescent pregnancy–prevention and sexuality education funding eclipsed this effect, reducing adolescent birthrates in those states. Conclusions. The millions of dollars spent on abstinence-only education has had no effect on adolescent birthrates, although conservative states, which experience the greatest burden of adolescent births, are the most responsive to changes in sexuality education–funding streams"
"All of the program evaluations were rigorous designs; 37 (90%) were RCTs, and four were rigorous quasi-experimental designs (QEDs; Table 2). Twenty-two evaluations used cluster-level random assignment, and 15 used individual-level random assignment. Tier 1 consisted of seven individual-level RCTs, 10 cluster RCTs, and 2 QEDs. Tier 2 consisted of eight individual-level RCTs, 12 cluster RCTs, and two QEDs. Forty-nine percent of the evaluations were conducted in a school setting (during or after school), 20% in community-based organizations, 7% in clinics, and 5% online (Table 2). Fewer than half of the evaluations provided a program to the control group, examples include health and nutrition classes, college or career training, safe driving, and mentoring. Most (53%) of the evaluations compared their program to “business as usual.” Business as usual ranged from no other sexual or reproductive health education, to fairly generous sexual or reproductive health education. Evaluations were conducted with a fairly even split of participants in middle school (29%), high school (29%), and high school and older (24%), and a smaller proportion spanning both middle- and high-school (17%; Table 2). The majority of evaluations examined abstinence or sexual activity (73%) and condom or contraceptive use (80%). Pregnancy (22%) and frequency of sex (20%) were also common behavioral outcomes and a small number of evaluations examined STI rates and number of sexual partners"
"Research across many fields has demonstrated that when programs are scaled up, as in effectiveness or replication studies, they often don’t find the same positive outcomes the original studies found.2–6 The number has been estimated to be as low as 10% to 20% of randomized controlled trials (RCTs) that result in the same significant positive impacts as found in the original study.6,7"
"Abstinence-Only Education – Also called “Sexual Risk Avoidance.” Teaches that abstinence is the expected standard of behavior for teens. Usually excludes any information about the effectiveness of contraception or condoms to prevent unintended pregnancy and STIs. Sometimes must adhere to the 8-point federal definition (Table 3)."
- DEFENCE I (Con's V) - COMPREHENSION,
- DEFENCE II (Con's VI) - WIDER PICTURE,
- DEFENCE III (Con's VII) - RELINK,
- REBUTTAL I (Con's I & 3) - EDUCATION,
- REBUTTAL II (Con's 2 & 4) - EFFECTIVE-NESS,
(A.) What is removed from the quote, and (B.) why, when Pro admits the combined definition is “a tad hard to understand?” (Con's Round 1: Rebuttal V - Point V.a.1)
Pro unjustly waives by saying, “…unless Con can argue that there has been substantial changes to how abstinence only sex education works, that would not actually combat my argument.” I just did argue that exact point,
The CDC concluded: “Although reasons for the declines are not totally clear, evidence suggests these declines are due to more teens abstaining from sexual activity, and more teens who are sexually active using birth control than in previous years.”
VI.d.3 Clearly, the data demonstrates that abstinence-only education does correlate with reduction in teen pregnancy, refuting Pro’s Contention I conclusion [the “trend” clearly indicates a reduction in teen pregnancies, and that abstinence-only is contributing to it]. Therefore, the Resolution fails.
The state legislation, originally known as AB 329, requires that students in grades seven through twelve receive comprehensive sexual health education and HIV prevention education at least once in middle school and once in high school.
The comprehensive education requirement states that the sexual education instruction must include medically accurate information about methods to prevent unintended pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections, including abstinence, contraception, condoms and other methods.
By definition, then, abstinence can have nothing but 100% effectiveness if practiced as faithfully as one would practice any other current artificial contraceptive method because it completely avoids the opportunity of pregnancy to occur by coitus. Every other means still engages in coitus, and every other method has percentages of failure of prevention.
Abstention of sexual activity applies a wider scope of analysis of behavior and decision points of practice to achieve the purpose than slipping on a condom, or popping a pill. In the case of this Resolution, the achievement is a clean dress, not a stained blue dress. Which, do you judge, is the more effective method to achieve the wanted result?
Therefore, it must be concluded that “reduction of teen pregnancy” is obviously best achieved by abstinence from [prevention by self-motivation] teen sexual activity. Thus, abstinence is the best [most effective] of all choices of contraception. (pretty much agreed)II.b.1 Therefore, in the final analysis, if abstinence is the only lesson taught in prevention of teen pregnancy, it is still the most effective method to be taught in that it blows “reduction” out of competition. It will be evident that it is, by size, amount, degree and importance, the most effective, and not merely more than as effective as other methods to address teen pregnancy. (Disagree)
"Two-thirds of a sample of 535 young women from the state of Washington who became pregnant as adolescents had been sexually abused: Fifty-five percent had been molested, 42 percent had been victims of attempted rape and 44 percent had been raped. "
That demonstrates, by lack of degree of failure in the Resolution, that the Resolution fails its all-or-nothing proposition
They demonstrate the effective teaching of abstinence, and by so doing, demonstrate that by their conviction, teen pregnancy is reduced. If one in 1,000 are successful, that one example demonstrates that education in successful resistance by abstinence, and one example is sufficient to prove my BoP. If the ratio of success against failure is higher, the effectiveness is only greater: fewer teens become pregnant
"While theoretically fully protective, abstinence intentions often fail, as abstinence is not maintained. AOUM programs are not effective in delaying initiation of sexual intercourse or changing other behaviors. Conversely, many comprehensive sexuality education programs successfully delay initiation of sexual intercourse and reduce sexual risk behaviors. AOUM programs inherently provide incomplete information and are often neglectful to sexually active adolescents; lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and questioning adolescents; pregnant and parenting adolescents; and survivors of sexual assault."
"Trump administration has spent three years advocating for harmful and ineffective abstinence-only programs. These efforts ignore the fact that contraception is driving declines in adolescent pregnancy and fail to serve young people’s broader sexual health needs. State and federal sex education advocates should continue to resist abstinence-only approaches to sex education, while simultaneously arguing for more expansive forms of sex education."
"The Community Preventive Services Task Force (CPSTF) finds insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of group-based abstinence education interventions delivered to adolescents to prevent pregnancy, HIV and other sexually transmitted infections (STIs). Evidence is considered insufficient because of inconsistent results across studies."
That also appears to be very conclusive, unfortunately for analysis, the rest of the study is locked behind a pay wall, never fear - we have the powers of references, and I am particularly interested in one. By Feldman Farb A and Margolis AL - The teen pregnancy prevention program (2010–2015): synthesis of impact findings [10]:"All of the program evaluations were rigorous designs; 37 (90%) were RCTs, and four were rigorous quasi-experimental designs (QEDs; Table 2). Twenty-two evaluations used cluster-level random assignment, and 15 used individual-level random assignment. Tier 1 consisted of seven individual-level RCTs, 10 cluster RCTs, and 2 QEDs. Tier 2 consisted of eight individual-level RCTs, 12 cluster RCTs, and two QEDs. Forty-nine percent of the evaluations were conducted in a school setting (during or after school), 20% in community-based organizations, 7% in clinics, and 5% online (Table 2). Fewer than half of the evaluations provided a program to the control group, examples include health and nutrition classes, college or career training, safe driving, and mentoring. Most (53%) of the evaluations compared their program to “business as usual.” Business as usual ranged from no other sexual or reproductive health education, to fairly generous sexual or reproductive health education. Evaluations were conducted with a fairly even split of participants in middle school (29%), high school (29%), and high school and older (24%), and a smaller proportion spanning both middle- and high-school (17%; Table 2). The majority of evaluations examined abstinence or sexual activity (73%) and condom or contraceptive use (80%). Pregnancy (22%) and frequency of sex (20%) were also common behavioral outcomes and a small number of evaluations examined STI rates and number of sexual partners"That is a big confusing paragrapgh, but it summarizedly finds that abstinence only sex education finds that students will still particapate in sex at majority rates (re: just read the bolded setence there). The study cites Table 2, which, topically, shows the percentages discussed in the paragraph above. The methods here are rigorously tested, and found that earlier postive results (which might be subject to Con's sourcing) was found to be incorrect due to expansions of the study. This fact is mentioned under "PROGRAM EFFECTIVENESS" [10]:"Research across many fields has demonstrated that when programs are scaled up, as in effectiveness or replication studies, they often don’t find the same positive outcomes the original studies found.2–6 The number has been estimated to be as low as 10% to 20% of randomized controlled trials (RCTs) that result in the same significant positive impacts as found in the original study.6,7"
"ThoughCo.com, indicate a causal argument. Cause? As an action has direct linkage, or, as my source spells it, that, “…abstinence-only education does correlate with the reduction in teen pregnancy…”[2] Will readers conclude that a causal relationship is not correlation?" (Con's Round 3, III Rebuttal, IIIc)
"For observational data, correlations can’t confirm causation...Correlations between variables show us that there is a pattern in the data: that the variables we have tend to move together. However, correlations alone don’t show us whether or not the data are moving together because one variable causes the other. It’s possible to find a statistically significant and reliable correlation for two variables that are actually not causally linked at all. In fact, such correlations are common! Often, this is because both variables are associated with a different causal variable, which tends to co-occur with the data that we’re measuring."
"Beginning in the 1970s, concerns over adolescent pregnancy—and later, HIV/AIDS—galvanized widespread public support for sex education in schools. Most states currently have a policy requiring HIV education, usually in conjunction with broader sex education. Meanwhile, as debate over the relative merits of abstinence-only-until-marriage messages versus more comprehensive approaches has intensified, states have enacted a number of specific content requirements. Growing acknowledgment of young people’s sexuality has popularized instruction on life skills, with most states now requiring instruction on healthy relationships and the prevention of sexual violence."
PREMISE: Abstinence-only education does not typically teach about other measures of preventing birth aside from abstinencePREMISE: IF such a scenario occurs where a teenager isn't abstinent, THEN they would not know other ways to prevent pregnancyCONCLUSION: Therefore, IF Teenagers do not remain abstinent after the education, THEN they are more likely to become or induce pregnancy
"If Pro’s sourced argument were “always fail,” the Resolution would be correct, and Pro’s argument should prevail. But, it does not say, “always,” does it? Therefore, I have my window of effectiveness, because “often fail” implies there are students who can maintain their intentions of abstinence. MY BoP is not a level or degree of effectiveness."
PREMISE: Abstinence-only education does not typically teach about other measures of preventing birth aside from abstinencePREMISE: IF such a scenario occurs where a teenager isn't abstinent, THEN they would not know other ways to prevent pregnancyCONCLUSION: Therefore, IF Teenagers do not remain abstinent after the education, THEN they are more likely to become or induce pregnancy
Lacking any of these references, the Guttmacher’s proverbial slip is showing: an agenda-driven article meant to imply, without confirmation on the HHS website noted, that these recommendations were for fiscal 2020, or 2021, for that matter [knowing that fiscal 2020 began the previous October 2019, therefore, after the proverbial cows have left the proverbial funding barn]. The internally sourced HHS site does not confirm the effect Guttmacher ‘s article claims.
" Therefore, Pro’s Resolution fails in its own language, since the effect of reduction, two words of prominent use in the Resolution, is clearly not as effective in reducing teen pregnancy to the degree of importance as demonstrated by abstention. Any supporting argument Pro offers fails as well in that it does not account for the failure of the Resolution, itself. That, is, unless Pro violates the essence of the Resolution, but that is creep, and doing so will result in moving the goal post. That is a failure of argument. Unfortunately, we will see the evidence of Pro's creep later in this round."
And, yes, we are talking sex education, but how is any education measured for effectiveness? By telling the teachers, “Good job?” No, by measurement of teaching results, indicated by subsequent student behavior. After all, is teen pregnancy the result of not behaving according to instruction, whether the education is artificial contraception-only, or abstinence-only, or contraceptive and abstinence, combined, or nothing? Yes, it is. Therefore, Pro’s argument, and Resolution, fail by the charge that I argue for teaching, only, as a measure of effectiveness.
- 1a. Paywall Argument
- 1b. Misintpreted Argument
- 1c. Correlation is not Causation
". Most (53%) of the evaluations compared their program to “business as usual.” Business as usual ranged from no other sexual or reproductive health education, to fairly generous sexual or reproductive health education. Evaluations were conducted with a fairly even split of participants in middle school (29%), high school (29%), and high school and older (24%), and a smaller proportion spanning both middle- and high-school (17%; Table 2). The majority of evaluations examined abstinence or sexual activity (73%) and condom or contraceptive use (80%). Pregnancy (22%) and frequency of sex (20%) were also common behavioral outcomes and a small number of evaluations examined STI rates and number of sexual partners"
"Causation. Correlation. Or, as Pro orders them [order is important in this issue], Correlation and Causation. As in, to quote Pro, “correlation does not infer causation.”....The effect, wetness, has two potential, correlating sources [artificial, and/or natural], correlating, because their product is the same even though delivery is different. Therefore, while Pro’s order of elements is not true, Con’s order is true: Causation [wet grass] does infer correlation when there is one effect of variant causes [water, due to hose, condensation, or rain, or any combination thereof]."
" but I argue for their relationship, specifically in the order that causation can yield correlation. Always? I don’t know and the answer is not necessary to my BoP. In relation to abstinence vs. artificial contraceptive methods, the correlation [cause of prevention of teen pregnancy] exists. That abstinence education is 100% effective by subsequent practice is not my BoP, while it is my opponent’s BoP that abstinence education is never [0%] effective. To date, the latter has not been proved. The former, by my citations in R1, R2, and R3, has been proved.""
PREMISE: Abstinence-only education does not typically teach about other measures of preventing birth aside from abstinence
PREMISE: IF such a scenario occurs where a teenager isn't abstinent, THEN they would not know other ways to prevent pregnancyCONCLUSION: Therefore, IF Teenagers do not remain abstinent after the education, THEN they are more likely to become or induce pregnancyWe are arguing for the validity (how the premises logically follow to the conclusion) and the soundness (the validity and truth of the premises presented) of the above mentioned syllogism. Apologises for the incorrect referencing - regardless I would ask that Con label specific arguments without roman numerals inside the arguemnt itself, while it is helpful for his opponent (myself) for reference, it needlessly confuses voters or other readers - it discourages voting - which I do not think my opponent or I want.Con fails to introduce new argument regarding the "lack of logic" in the mentioned syllogism, simply referencing their round 1 arugment, which I have already rebuked. Furthermore Con relies on the argument preceeding it (The entire: Wider Picture back & forth) and ignores that I also gave reference at the latter end of the second round (Round 2, Pro, CONTENTION I. CONT).
"results demonstrate a reduction of 1.9% from the all-states’ average [17.7% - 15.8%] incidents of teen pregnancy. As Pro has not assigned an incremental level of necessary reduction as a threshold of “effective,” I declare the Resolution fails."
I challenge Pro to describe the distinction between the charge that elimination of teen pregnancy is not relevant, and the charge that educating abstinence-only is not substantive
the entire process of teaching abstinence only sex education is simply not substantive in reducing teen pregnancy, even if Con show's the system is flawed, that would be supporting my argument.
This means, of course, that 56% of males, and 58% of females, did not engage in sexual activity within those same years; a majority in both cases. If more teens are not engaging in sexual activity than are, this speaks clearly to Con’s BoP: that abstinence is successful, or, in the context of the Resolution, “effective.” Is that due to formal education, family values, or personal choice in addition to the influence of the first two?
"Female teenagers’ use of a method ofcontraception at first sex increased from 74.5% in 2002 to 81.0% in 2011–2015. Maleteenagers’ use of a condom at first sex increased from 70.9% in 2002 to 79.6% in2006–2010 and remained stable at 76.8% in 2011–2015. Overall, in 2011–2015, 5.8%of female teenagers had used a long-acting reversible method (intrauterine device or implant)"
How about simple results: teens who do not engage in sexual activity, i.e., they abstain, do not get pregnant. 100% of them do not get pregnant. Any other artificial contraceptive cannot claim that 100% effectiveness, no matter how some agenda tries to twist the data. Abstention’s effectiveness speaks for itself. And, since it is clear that education in contraceptives-only, contraceptives plus abstention, and abstention-only is taking place across the country, there are verifiable results of avoiding teen pregnancy, and a clear effective winner emerges: abstinence-only.
"Therefore, Pro’s resolution fails because, regardless of motivation, teens are engaging in less sexual activity now than before, therefore, resulting in fewer teen pregnancies, and the success of higher use of artificial contraceptives and abstinence is demonstrating a reduction in teen pregnancies over the last 20 years."
"How well does abstinence work? Abstinence, when faithfully and consistently practiced, is the only form of birth control that is 100% effective in preventing pregnancy. Every other form of artificial contraception has some percentage of failure to reduce teen pregnancy, whether reduction, or prevention is the intent."
Therefore, having an education in abstinence-only practice, even lacking coursework in the use of artificial contraceptives, the student dedicated to avoiding sexual relations will succeed in the practice of abstinence with 100% effective results in preventing teen pregnancy
The teen pregnancy prevention program (2010–2015): synthesis of impact findings [10]:Fewer than half of the evaluations provided a program to the control group, examples include health and nutrition classes, college or career training, safe driving, and mentoring. Most (53%) of the evaluations compared their program to “business as usual.” Business as usual ranged from no other sexual or reproductive health education, to fairly generous sexual or reproductive health education. Evaluations were conducted with a fairly even split of participants in middle school (29%), high school (29%), and high school and older (24%), and a smaller proportion spanning both middle- and high-school (17%; Table 2).
By the Journal of Adolescent Health - https://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(17)30297-5/fulltext"While theoretically fully protective, abstinence intentions often fail, as abstinence is not maintained. AOUM programs are not effective in delaying initiation of sexual intercourse or changing other behaviors. Conversely, many comprehensive sexuality education programs successfully delay initiation of sexual intercourse and reduce sexual risk behaviors. AOUM programs inherently provide incomplete information and are often neglectful to sexually active adolescents; lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and questioning adolescents; pregnant and parenting adolescents; and survivors of sexual assault."In an article by the Guttmacher Institute - https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2020/02/expanding-scope-sex-education-and-teen-pregnancy-prevention-"Trump administration has spent three years advocating for harmful and ineffective abstinence-only programs. These efforts ignore the fact that contraception is driving declines in adolescent pregnancy and fail to serve young people’s broader sexual health needs. State and federal sex education advocates should continue to resist abstinence-only approaches to sex education, while simultaneously arguing for more expansive forms of sex education."By the Communityproject.org - https://www.thecommunityguide.org/findings/hiv-other-stis-and-teen-pregnancy-group-based-abstinence-education-interventions"The Community Preventive Services Task Force (CPSTF) finds insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of group-based abstinence education interventions delivered to adolescents to prevent pregnancy, HIV and other sexually transmitted infections (STIs). Evidence is considered insufficient because of inconsistent results across studies."
I’d say it was also largely decided by R3. We clearly saw certain points differently, but I can see where you’re coming from.
also, sorry if my "source bombing" (Systemic Racism) may have influenced your debating style in that direction.... I mostly wanted more rigorous research, intimidation effect, and proving beyond a reasonable doubt XD [Most times, three or fewer articles might be good enough]
interesting decision! What did you think of my interpretation? I thought the debate was basically decided by Round 3 since Con was basically repeating points by round 4...
Appreciate that. I don't think I'll miss the deadline.
Regardless of how you vote, I hope you get your vote posted in time. Thanks.
Do note, however, that I'm working and will have limited time to get at this. Might not be able to post the actual RFD until just after work and close to the deadline, so if it gets close, just know I'm still on it.
I am still trying to get through this. I've just got fauxlaw's final round left, and I've already got notes based on what I've read so far.
Suffice it to say, at least for now, this is a closer debate than I anticipated.
I am not confused.
again, if you are confused please ask questions
Except Jesus' mom lol
Key word here; "For people who..." that's the problem
For 100% of people who practice abstinence 100% of the time, it works 100% of the time.
What other contraceptive has that record? None. Memes be damned.
you know, this debate reminds me of the meme "it works 100% of the time, 20% of the time." Funny how that works in real life.
Sorry about the delay on voting, will try to finish it.
Vote bump
If that's what you feel is right, then abstain, thank you for your consideration
At a glance it looks like you each offered compelling cases. However, I likely have too much bias on this topic to be a fair judge.
thanks
lol, all I ask is for you to do your best
You give me too much credit assuming my voting prowess is near my debating prowess XD but I will try
Shouldn’t be a problem.
Vote bump
Disregard the thing in my second rebuttal about that being the last round argument- I thought that I was in the position of Con in the structure of the debate my bad.
No idea why - probably cause I was rushing to type that all out
See my R3, "maintenance" section, when published, which should come in the next two days.
#17 - because it means that IF you do bring it back up then it reduces how long I can reply and argue back - if not then you just dropped an argument
In general - I apologize for the briefness of my arguments, personal stuff has forced me to be a tad more concise.
Don't be confused by the term, ibid. It's citation-speak for "use the full reference listed immediately above." In other words, for [3], [4], [5] use full reference [2].
I've finished almost everything else, but I am unable to access three of your sources; 3,4, and 5, would you mind listing them?
Not until the debate is concluded can one draw the conclusion of dropped arguments, and that is a job, ultimately, for voters to conclude, isn't it? Why bother mention of it during the argument phase until the last round? Who says arguments from an opponent must be picked up and rebutted in the immediate opponent's following round? That may be your convention, but no policy enforces it. Excuse my different convention, but it is mine, and no policy prohibits it. May I suggest you make it a matter of debate protocol in your Description if you're so intent on its compliance. I'm at an end of this discussion.
recommendation: don't discuss dropping points not in debate
Response: No. Because you dropped points and then claimed it to be "your debate style" dropping points is not a debate style, its a flaw in a debating style
A word to the wise: debating debate style during argument style between opponents is not recommended and I don't like engaging it. You do your way, I'll do mine, and let's end this back-and-forth other than in the debate. Okay?
I don't think you can justify ignoring entire sources to make your contention true by saying, "I can do it later," Because you claimed at the end of the contention, " Clearly, the data demonstrates that abstinence-only education does correlate with reduction in teen pregnancy, refuting Pro’s Contention I conclusion [the “trend” clearly indicates a reduction in teen pregnancies, and that abstinence-only is contributing to it]. Therefore, the Resolution fails." After you had failed to justify it, on account, idk, ignoring the other half of my contention, actually, the latter half of the paragraph...
This is, by your initiation, a 4-round debate. I think that means I have fully 4 rounds. Got a train to catch?
Except you know... ignoring half of my sources
An interesting rebuttal, i certainly didn't expect it, but I think that comes with something that is more rarely discussed in detail. I'm looking forward to dissecting it more indepth, which, now that I'm caught up with debates that are due in less than 3 days, I can do.
No problem. You have set the timing, and complied with it. Some good arguments, my friend. I'm enjoying going through them and will have rebuttals, never fear. But, you have done some good research. Carry on.
Apologies for the wait, as you are fairly comprehensive in your arguments, I wanted to make sure I exhaustively looked through my sources. Thanks to school work that is increased due to the power outages last week, homework has been a lot lately, so, that's why this is so last minute.
Thank you. I, too, look forward to a goods, friendly debate. Best of luck.
Thanks for taking up the challenge, looking forward to a good debate
As usual, people will enter the debate through this comment section, but that's not how it's done. You are using abstention as an attempt to prove it does not work. Sorry, but only by proper engagement of the debate does a matter resolve one way or the other. Well, I accept the challenge. Carry on, Edge.
When a society makes porn a taboo that is strictly 18+ (or 21+ in some nations if not totally illegal and censored) and tells people to completely fight against their very natural urges, the result is them acting on those urges in very unhealthy, repressed and overly active-in-burst ways. Always has been, always will be. Ironically, this is how we went from a few hundred humans to the ~7.5 billion we have today.
If we wish to teach people to reproduce less, we must be very open and accepting of what sexual urges are and how to safely get the orgasm without unsafe penetration or anything that even approaches encouraging such ignorance.
I would suggest that we are instinctively motivated not to abstain.
So teaching kids to abstain from intercourse, is as much a part of sex education as contraception is.
Perhaps we should also teach kids that all other forms of gratification are fun rather than taboo.... When done safely and within the law of course.
And keep religion out of schools!
Yes.
It may be possible that said education would be less effective than not teaching at all. The teachers say it as a taboo thing, and when we are teenagers, aren’t we all interested in things that would be forbidden? Now they knew something called “sex” and would suppress the urge of doing it now, instead of? Discovering and doing it later?
If you have no biology in sex Ed, then it is not that useful.
Really the only way to make abstinence only education effective is to couple it with religious indoctrination and severe social ostracism.
Or as I like to call it: do as I say, not as I do!
"It was found that those who fall into the category of generation X lost their virginity (on average) at 18.1, baby boomers at 17.6 and millennials at 17.4 years-old."
https://www.indy100.com/offbeat/average-age-people-lose-their-virginity-dred-study-gay-men-women-millenials-baby-boomers-generation-x-8204266