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Topic
#2501
On Balance Humans Should Colonize Mars by 2040
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The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After 5 votes and with 17 points ahead, the winner is...
oromagi
Parameters
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 4
- Time for argument
- Two days
- Max argument characters
- 500
- Voting period
- One month
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
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Description
Colonize: Space colonization (also called space settlement, or extraterrestrial colonization) is permanent human habitation and exploitation of natural resources off the planet Earth
Round 1
S. Hawking: "Humans Must leave Earth in 100 years."
Gives us chance to survive in case of disaster.
Curiosity finds building blocks of life, organics. There's definite certainty for Microorganisms, sustain of lives. Resources for life already on Mars. Can est. base to mine asteroids worth trillions.
Potentially limitless tech to be created. Telescope dev lead to treat cancer; already, we've Satellites, solar panel, various systems. Undeniable benefit.
Knowledge gain invaluable. Vote Pro.
- BoP=PRO
- Mars colony is a priority BUT
- 2040 AD goal is not supported by sober science/econ
- Assume
- cheapest launch during next close approach 2035-37
- Hohmann xfer orbit- 21mos round trip
- 5 man/100kg payload
- We'd need to up NASA
- Mars budget +$55 bil/yr over current $23 bil
- or $1.1 tril over next 15yrs
- that's just first trip!
- 10 trips to start small colony @ 1 million kg
- or $5-$10 tril by 2040/ up to $500 bil/yr
- US would up revenues by 7-15%/yr or add deep to debt
- Big tax increase
- much tech not yet invented
Round 2
Con's own src: "first Mars mission in 2035 total $230 billion", far below trillions. If even start can be accomplished, rest of the world's effort can work together to resolve this problem.
Potential world end far outweighs any econ cost. Zubrin agree, we lose globalization/diversity, "w/o frontier humanism, reason, sci die". Business co-op vastly reduce $ needed. Mining outweigh.
Tech invention is all being developed at exponential rate. Solutions encourage flexibility and creativity.
Potential world end far outweighs any econ cost. Zubrin agree, we lose globalization/diversity, "w/o frontier humanism, reason, sci die". Business co-op vastly reduce $ needed. Mining outweigh.
Tech invention is all being developed at exponential rate. Solutions encourage flexibility and creativity.
remember, BOP=PRO
- PRO must prove future:
- end of Earth < 100 yrs
- that tech invention is "limitless" and will invent all needs
- How has PRO solved
- microgravity health problems
- long-term radiation exposure
- landing on mars w/out thick atmo
- dust proof suits and vehicles
- food?
- Martian soil is poison
- O2 + H2O prod?
- $230bil is Mars shot- there and back. does not include necessary Moon base
- PRO must show cost of colony
- and prove nations will share cost
- colony means > 110 ppl + material + permanent
Round 3
W/ time, disaster WILL strike. Already, 6th mass extinct vertebrates from pollution, exploit. Mars protects animal & env suffering, our future.
Crops can be grown on Mars. $30 trillion gain from terraforms + asteroids above. Poison solve w Li Metal. MOXIE creates O2 for atmo, works. [p54]
Dev'd tech: cell phone, PC, fridge, vital to everyday life. NASA has saved 40,000 lives already w satellites.
- Last ME = 66 mil yrs ago
- Mars < 2040 =
- 1st landing & 1st col. simultaneous
- rush job=
- high risk,
- high $
- no in situ testing
- no study=high death rate=slow to no col
- Martian soil poison b/c perchlorates
- plants will grow but poison to eat especially after UV exposure
- MOXIE
- depends on micro orgs, easy die from radiation=colony suffocates
- prototype launched in July,
- untested
- magsail, NEP, scramjets
- uninvented
- time?
- $?
- PRO must prove '36 risks < '54 risks relative to mass extinction odds
Round 4
MIT: "C in atmo reach threshold by 2100"
Opp src say drill solve poison. NASA hydrogen BNNT + Li above can reduce radiat.
Vote pro if:
- Colony idea can be mere ctrl, no need 110+ ppl [explore->future]
- Sci progress benefits lives already, perfection not essential
- Protect Earth future
- Main issues solved, high possibility exists
- Mining + Terraform + Cheap launch = $ Profit outweigh cost, encourage invest
- BoP=PRO
- We agree Mars Colony but disagree 2040 possible
- CON args=
- need innovation
- $
- practical window for 10 launches in 2035-37 past
- PRO args all speculation
- will invent/invest soon, not now
- 1st landing =/= perm col
- PRO failed to argue 2040 once in args
- PRO only says world ends soon
- but if PROs arg = save humans already too late
- a self-sustaining Mars needs 1MIL min
- but Mars @ 1M pop gens away
- $ space launch > any Mars export $
- ARG to CON! no evidence for 2040
- Thx
I wanted to vote, but this is pretty hard to follow.
Thanks for voting, Intel!
I’ll get to this.
I think, extending to 2100 and having at least 3k characters would help greatly lol. It's almost impossible to prove 2040 in 500 characters
also there was no way for me to win anyways, I was just teasing at your sources
vote plz?
I try to maintain a certain sense of humor in tone, although I don't think it's much good since its more often misinterpretted
Talking like that makes you funnier than most comedians on the television.
You should read the source material more carefully. Please refrain from further arguments in the COMMENTS.
I am not sure why you are using double-edged sources that explain the problem within paragraphs of introducing them lol. You taking advantage of the 500 char limit?
also here's the source I forgot for cell phones, PC, Fridge if you need it: https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/infographics/infographic.view.php?id=11358
wrong source for 6th mass extinction, this is the correct one: https://www.pnas.org/content/117/24/13596
we can redo this at 10k characters after it's over if you want. 500 char is hella tough
*sweats* I wasted too much characters saying "If even start can be accomplished, rest of the world's effort can work together to resolve this problem." lol
note to self to use this article in future. https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.22.749&rep=rep1&type=pdf
I think you will find that 500 characters is infinitely harder than 3,500 lol
I tend to like a lot of abbreviations, so if you have any limitations on abbr's let me know.
I tend to like a lot of abbreviations, so if you have any limitations on abbr's let me know.
I studied the art of micro-debate under the tutelage of Trent0405.
it's okay. I haven't seen you do much with 500 char except offer a syllogism. It's hard to say who will win if you're stripped of the ability to cite my words or waste characters defining ideas/burden of proof
I love a Mars debate. Nevertheless, if you'd prefer I can withdraw from this debate if you'd rather somebody else took it.
OH NO ITS OROMAGI