Instigator / Pro
32
1417
rating
158
debates
32.59%
won
Topic
#2363
In this debate, Con will use at least one word that contains the letter "E"
Status
Finished
The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.
Winner & statistics
After 5 votes and with 11 points ahead, the winner is...
seldiora
Parameters
- Publication date
- Last updated date
- Type
- Standard
- Number of rounds
- 5
- Time for argument
- Two days
- Max argument characters
- 5,000
- Voting period
- Two weeks
- Point system
- Multiple criterions
- Voting system
- Open
Contender / Con
21
1581
rating
38
debates
64.47%
won
Description
Burden of proof is shared
Rules: Con can only use English.
Round 1
Why Con will inevitably use a word that has the letter E in it:
1) Common use
As you can see here, 12% of the English language contains the letter E. The average college or high school essay is 200~300 words. Now let's see, what are the chances that he will not use English language for 200 words in a row? 0.88^200 = 7.880149e-12. Oh. That's not good at all. That's lower than the chances of you winning the lottery. Unless con proves he is lucky enough to win the lottery (without using the letter E somehow?!), he loses the debate. Consider all of his past debates (https://www.debateart.com/participants/K_Michael/debates?type=finished), he has never successfully went through a debate without using the letter E. Indeed, it is concrete proof that he will use a word with letter E in it, within this debate. The fact that this debate is five rounds adds to the insane difficulty and impossibility that he will succeed.
2) Impossibility to counter me
Because I am free to use the letter E, he will have to struggle and constantly paraphrase everything I say, and I would be able to question his paraphrasing as it would not be my exact words. The vast majority of past tense words are not available to him, as they end with -ed, or even -en (forsaken, forgiven, etc.). He cannot say I posted something, he cannot say I made an argument, he cannot even say to vote for him. No. All of these are impossible. As he would lose the argument without countering me, he would lose the debate. He might think, what if I forfeit? Then you are using your privilege to not post. You are using the word "forfeited" in place of your argument, and therefore using a word containing the letter E. Hence losing the debate.
3) Can't challenge burden of proof
As "burden" includes an "E" on it, con cannot contest the definition by saying "opponent has burden of proof", and must accept that burden of proof is shared. He must establish his own case and reasoning why he is willing to expend the incredible effort that is required to resolve the problem and not use the letter E. He might say, oh, Gadsby the book without "E" already did it, but consider that it is fictional, with fictional character names and situation. All these arguments are based upon logic and reasoning, things that occur in real life. As such, he has little to no control over what kind of situation he might have to describe. Could he say I spelled something wrong without "E"? "Spell" has an "E" in it, so he cannot. Could he even say I forfeited a round, and that he will extend his arguments? No, he cannot. He cannot even say his own username or my own username.
4) Con's profile picture
Yes, Alastor from Hazbin Hotel. But you can't very say "irrelevant", "pointless" now can you? Because con thinks Alastor is a good representation of his true self, that is why he will lose. Alastor is incredibly eloquent and a radio operator (source: Hazbin Hotel), this adds to his pizzazz and he would rather make a deal to make you forget that he said a word with "E" in it. But that does not negate his fact if he speaks a word with "E". Since con likes Alastor so much, it seems inevitable that con will act similar to Alastor and lose this debate due to mistakenly thinking he has demonic powers.
Case closed, vote pro.
Case closed, vote pro.
This round will not contain it on my half. Sucks for you. It limits my ability to talk but I will win. This paragraph functions as proof on its own. Submit, for I cannot fail.
Round 2
Pro Forfeited This Round.
Amazing! Your plan was waylaid, and now you must wait until I vanquish you.
I satisfy all conditions of this disputation by not using this symbol that Pro thinks I must apply.
By avoiding it, I show that Pro is a liar and that I am right in this situation. In short, I win.
Not a long round, but that is "the soul of wit," as good old William said.
Round 3
As you can see con's username contains an "E" and hence he has used a word that has E in this debate. https://prnt.sc/ui0wmb
Vote pro.
Wrong. Your original claim was about using it, not containing it. I did no such thing. It was not put in this disputation by my doing. It automatically loads as it is. It's DA's fault, not my doing. If truthful voting is to occur, Pro will not win. This is possibly in bad faith, but I know it is wrong.
Round 4
I did not think this through lol.
GG BOIS XD
Round 5
William may have said it, but Con copied it in R2 (https://prnt.sc/ui14n6) GG Bois
Ctrl f saves lives
crap. I was Ctrl-Fing my paragraphs too. My bad. I was cocky too.
I like this debate a lot.
As an intelligent person, I can see where he cimes from too; trolling.
that said, if you want to appeal the decision, the voting mods can review it for you.
I disagree with the vote as well, but as a rational person I can see where Intelligence was coming from. His line of thought is that the resolution states that CON definitely WILL use the letter E in all cases. PRO didn't prove that they will in all cases. In fact, PRO did little proving at all. Instead, CON made a blunder. So despite CON using the letter E, PRO's BoP is still unfulfilled.
Again, not my opinion, but as a rational line of reasoning, it fulfills the voting requirements.
It was a "bypass" argument for a debate like this one that I used. Like a "hint" as how to bypass the resolution and still win the argument.
https://www.debateart.com/debates/2366-in-this-debate-con-will-use-at-least-one-word-that-contains-the-letter-e
yay RM's back
@RM (can't even @ you, smh)
This is a debating site, and it is about whose arguments are better. Pro literally gave up debating because his arguments are either "Con will probably use the letter E" or "Con used the letter E", but never the resolution. a good debater can prove why National Bolshevism should be utilized in this world in wide practice. Just because you are right doesn't mean you automatically win.
You allowed a vote for a literal factual debate that lies about who won. Lmao.
Out of curiosity, what was the comment you deleted?
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>Reported Vote: Intelligence_06 // Mod action: Not Removed
>Points Awarded: 1:3; 3 points to CON.
>Reason for Decision: See Debate Tab
>Reason for Mod Action: While I completely disagree with their decision, users are allowed to assign points in any way they see fit as long as they adhere to DART voting guidelines. There are some exceptions, such as cases that are so blatantly unfair no rational person can approve of it, but otherwise our interpretive ability is severely handicapped.
Anyway, this vote met the bare minimum of voter requirements.
Ah, you were so close.
A for effort, but I goofed.
This'll tank my points for sure.
You were cocky. It's happened to me. I would probably be higher on the leaderboard if I had thought a few debates through more thoroughly. Thanks for playing though!
sorry, i dunno what i was thinking when i started this debate
This one seems kind of easy for CON
Ha! You fool, I can simply act chary about words I pick to use. Wait, shit, I said the letter! Oh no, I said it four times!!! OH GOD, OH FUCK
I really want to see how this turns out.
Okay........ i did
shush, don't reveal the obvious! Delete the previous comment.
Censoring it still counts as using it, and the original version will contain the letter E.
If Jewish ppl can write "God" as "G-d", why don't expect you to do similarly?
yes.
are you suuuure about that?
I bet $1,000 on Con.
I will do it.